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Margaret Thatcher RIP;!...
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Margaret Thatcher RIP;!...
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:05:31 +0100, tony sayer wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmomV-ax-s https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fu...ient=firefox-a -- |
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:05:31 +0100, tony sayer
wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Evil auld **** - may she roast. |
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On Monday 08 April 2013 13:05 tony sayer wrote in uk.d-i-y:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Had more balls than any PM since. I hate the tories, labour and liberal parties with similar amounts of loathing, but that does not mean I don't respect her. I liked some of her policies and hated others, but she did have conviction unlike most of the wobbling gutless corn stalks we have now... -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage Reading this on the web? See: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
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"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On Monday 08 April 2013 13:05 tony sayer wrote in uk.d-i-y: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Had more balls than any PM since. I hate the tories, labour and liberal parties with similar amounts of loathing, but that does not mean I don't respect her. I liked some of her policies and hated others, but she did have conviction unlike most of the wobbling gutless corn stalks we have now... +1 |
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On Apr 8, 1:05*pm, tony sayer wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 -- Tony Sayer Best Prime Minister since Churchill. We could have done with her now instead of that useless drip Cameron. |
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"harry" wrote in message ... On Apr 8, 1:05 pm, tony sayer wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 -- Tony Sayer Best Prime Minister since Churchill. We could have done with her now instead of that useless drip Cameron. Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ |
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On 08/04/13 13:41, bm wrote:
Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ Nothing wrong with the Poll tax, it was just that it dragged in a lot of young earners who get their services for free and had loud voices. The Council tax is really unfair to people living on their own. Andy C |
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On Monday 08 April 2013 13:41 bm wrote in uk.d-i-y:
"harry" wrote in message ... On Apr 8, 1:05 pm, tony sayer wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 -- Tony Sayer Best Prime Minister since Churchill. We could have done with her now instead of that useless drip Cameron. Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ Or: Let's have a bit of protection from the EU... Didn't see the likes of Part P or Part L in her time... -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage Reading this on the web? See: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
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"harry" wrote in message ... On Apr 8, 1:05 pm, tony sayer wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 -- Tony Sayer Best Prime Minister since Churchill. We could have done with her now instead of that useless drip Cameron. +1 |
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"Andy Cap" wrote in message ... On 08/04/13 13:41, bm wrote: Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ Nothing wrong with the Poll tax, it was just that it dragged in a lot of young earners who get their services for free and had loud voices. The Council tax is really unfair to people living on their own. As was the poll tax unfair to me, still, it only ~tripled my rates. |
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In article , tony sayer
writes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Ding dong, the witch is dead. About bloody time. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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In article , Tim Watts
writes Had more balls than any PM since. Only looked like that because she surrounded herself with spineless yes- men. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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On 08/04/2013 1:21 PM, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:05:31 +0100, tony wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Evil auld **** - may she roast. She may have upset people but, boy, did she put a rotting, continually union striking Britain back on its feet. -- One click voting to change the world. https://secure.avaaz.org/en/ Join Now! Be a part of people power. http://www.theregister.co.uk/ Biting the hand that feeds IT |
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In article , Huge
writes Yawn. Couldn't you at least thought of something originally rude to say? Nah. Sums up how I feel perfectly. And thousands of others on YouTube if you search for that phrase. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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In article , Mike Tomlinson
writes Nah. Sums up how I feel perfectly. And thousands of others on YouTube if you search for that phrase. Brenda said to "be saddened". Probably swinging from the chandeliers. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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On Monday, April 8, 2013 3:06:00 PM UTC+1, Huge wrote:
On 2013-04-08, Mike Tomlinson wrote: In article , tony sayer writes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Ding dong, the witch is dead. Yawn. Couldn't you at least thought of something originally rude to say? The bitch is dead...... Lots of other words I can think of but little point in listing them all. |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message ... In article om, "bm" wrote: "Andy Cap" wrote in message ... On 08/04/13 13:41, bm wrote: Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ Nothing wrong with the Poll tax, it was just that it dragged in a lot of young earners who get their services for free and had loud voices. The Council tax is really unfair to people living on their own. As was the poll tax unfair to me, still, it only ~tripled my rates. So it tripled your rates. Now explain why that was unfair. Did it triple yours? Course, those on housing benefit (who I'm helping to support) didn't pay an extra penny AFAIK. As I remember, one or two other folk were a trifle ****ed off about it so it was withdrawn and replaced by council tax, still triple my rates. I don't mind being screwed as long as I'm unaware of it. |
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Andy Cap wrote: Nothing wrong with the Poll tax, it was just that it dragged in a lot of young earners who get their services for free and had loud voices. The Council tax is really unfair to people living on their own. You've got no idea, have you? The purpose of the poll tax - like just about every other piece of Tory legislation - was to move taxation from the rich to the poorer. No matter how they dress it up. My widowed mother lived alone in her own modest house that she'd lived in and owned since the '30s. Only had the old age pension and a tiny annuity as income. When the poll tax was introduced, she paid *more* than previously under the rates. So exactly the sort of person so often quoted as being penalised by the old rates was penalised more by the poll tax. -- *A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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RayL12 wrote: On 08/04/2013 1:21 PM, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:05:31 +0100, tony wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Evil auld **** - may she roast. She may have upset people but, boy, did she put a rotting, continually union striking Britain back on its feet. And sowed the seeds of it falling over now. -- *Honk if you love peace and quiet* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Monday, April 8, 2013 3:48:15 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , RayL12 wrote: On 08/04/2013 1:21 PM, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:05:31 +0100, tony wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Evil auld **** - may she roast. She may have upset people but, boy, did she put a rotting, continually union striking Britain back on its feet. And sowed the seeds of it falling over now. I was thinking that rather than get it back on it's feet it kept it on it's hands and knees. |
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 07:53:56 -0700 (PDT), whisky-dave
wrote: On Monday, April 8, 2013 3:48:15 PM UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , RayL12 wrote: She may have upset people but, boy, did she put a rotting, continually union striking Britain back on its feet. And sowed the seeds of it falling over now. I was thinking that rather than get it back on it's feet it kept it on it's hands and knees. and handed it over to the Germans, French, Spanish, Americans, Japanese, Chinese, and the Arabs -- |
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:24:23 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote: On Monday 08 April 2013 13:05 tony sayer wrote in uk.d-i-y: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Had more balls than any PM since. Tony Bliar seemed a very similar politician in that he did exactly what he wanted and didn't listen to anyone else. I hate the tories, labour and liberal parties with similar amounts of loathing, but that does not mean I don't respect her. I liked some of her policies and hated others, but she did have conviction unlike most of the wobbling gutless corn stalks we have now... Is this a good thing though? -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:05:31 +0100, tony sayer wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Evil auld **** - may she roast. Agreed |
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:49:31 +0100, Andy Cap
wrote: On 08/04/13 13:41, bm wrote: Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ Nothing wrong with the Poll tax, it was just that it dragged in a lot of young earners who get their services for free and had loud voices. The Council tax is really unfair to people living on their own. The Poll Tax was unfair on larger households. I can see why the Poll Tax was popular in some circles though since it shifted taxation from the rich to the poor. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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On 08/04/13 15:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You've got no idea, have you? The purpose of the poll tax - like just about every other piece of Tory legislation - was to move taxation from the rich to the poorer. No matter how they dress it up. What like the recent increased basic tax-band and yes I know they reduced the 50% band but it's still higher than during Labour's tenure. My widowed mother lived alone in her own modest house that she'd lived in and owned since the '30s. Only had the old age pension and a tiny annuity as income. When the poll tax was introduced, she paid *more* than previously under the rates. So exactly the sort of person so often quoted as being penalised by the old rates was penalised more by the poll tax. I like to look at the bigger picture. I'm afraid single situations don't make for a good case. With change, there are always going to be winners and losers but generally it would have been a fairer system, with far more earners contributing to the cost of providing the local services they used. That's why there was so much objection. Incidentally, I'm no fan of Thatcher but that's for other reasons. Andy C |
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On 08/04/13 16:18, Mark wrote:
The Poll Tax was unfair on larger households. I can see why the Poll Tax was popular in some circles though since it shifted taxation from the rich to the poor. Why shouldn't all earners in a household, contribute to local services? |
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RayL12 wrote:
On 08/04/2013 1:21 PM, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:05:31 +0100, tony wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Evil auld **** - may she roast. She may have upset people but, boy, did she put a rotting, continually union striking Britain back on its feet. You have bloody great blinkers on then! Dig back and find out how she opened the doors to benefit fraud, ******s (bankers) fraud, MPs excess payments, dismantled the manufacturing based, sold off all the utility companies and other 'family silver', the collapse of a once great NHS, wasted billions on privatisation, wasted even more on trying to destroy local government - the list is endless and is now being carried on by the three stooges we have as 'leaders' right now. She did a damn site more damage than she did good - may she rot in hell! |
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"Tim Streater" wrote in message ... In article om, "bm" wrote: "Andy Cap" wrote in message ... On 08/04/13 13:41, bm wrote: Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ Nothing wrong with the Poll tax, it was just that it dragged in a lot of young earners who get their services for free and had loud voices. The Council tax is really unfair to people living on their own. As was the poll tax unfair to me, still, it only ~tripled my rates. So it tripled your rates. Now explain why that was unfair. I liked the poll tax. At the time I was the only wage earner in my household. Next door an almost identical house was home to four wage earners. They hated the idea of having to pay 4 times I loved the idea of just paying 1 time. It all seemed very fair to me. Mike |
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On 08/04/13 16:29, Muddymike wrote:
At the time I was the only wage earner in my household. Next door an almost identical house was home to four wage earners. They hated the idea of having to pay 4 times I loved the idea of just paying 1 time. Which is exactly why it was shouted down. |
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:19:18 +0100, Andy Cap
wrote: On 08/04/13 15:46, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: You've got no idea, have you? The purpose of the poll tax - like just about every other piece of Tory legislation - was to move taxation from the rich to the poorer. No matter how they dress it up. What like the recent increased basic tax-band That's a Lib Dem not a Tory policy. and yes I know they reduced the 50% band but it's still higher than during Labour's tenure. IIRC Labour introduced the 50% Tax band. My widowed mother lived alone in her own modest house that she'd lived in and owned since the '30s. Only had the old age pension and a tiny annuity as income. When the poll tax was introduced, she paid *more* than previously under the rates. So exactly the sort of person so often quoted as being penalised by the old rates was penalised more by the poll tax. I like to look at the bigger picture. I'm afraid single situations don't make for a good case. Agreed. With change, there are always going to be winners and losers but generally it would have been a fairer system, with far more earners contributing to the cost of providing the local services they used. My opinion is that those who can afford it contribute more than those who cannot. Poll Tax achieved the opposite. That's why there was so much objection. My objection was that it was even less fair than the old rating system. Incidentally, I'm no fan of Thatcher but that's for other reasons. I'm no fan of Thatcher for very many reasons. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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On 08/04/13 13:24, Tim Watts wrote:
On Monday 08 April 2013 13:05 tony sayer wrote in uk.d-i-y: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Had more balls than any PM since. I hate the tories, labour and liberal parties with similar amounts of loathing, but that does not mean I don't respect her. I liked some of her policies and hated others, but she did have conviction unlike most of the wobbling gutless corn stalks we have now... +1 -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 08/04/13 13:41, bm wrote:
"harry" wrote in message ... On Apr 8, 1:05 pm, tony sayer wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 -- Tony Sayer Best Prime Minister since Churchill. We could have done with her now instead of that useless drip Cameron. Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ yes why not? it was a lot fairer than council tax. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:23:38 +0100, Andy Cap
wrote: On 08/04/13 16:18, Mark wrote: The Poll Tax was unfair on larger households. I can see why the Poll Tax was popular in some circles though since it shifted taxation from the rich to the poor. Why shouldn't all earners in a household, contribute to local services? They do. The vast majority of the money spent by local government is provided by central government which is extracted from all the earners via income tax. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) If a man stands in a forest and no woman is around (")_(") is he still wrong? |
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On 08/04/13 16:54, Tim Streater wrote:
My opinion is that those who can afford it contribute more than those who cannot. Poll Tax achieved the opposite. Should the same apply if I go down the shops and buy a loaf of bread, then? Sir Costly Cashbag pays twice as much as me and I pay twice as much the old dear from across the road? +1 There are plenty of people who believe a flat-rate tax generates more money anyway. Anyway, local taxes shouldn't be the same as Income tax. |
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On Monday 08 April 2013 17:05 Mark wrote in uk.d-i-y:
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 16:23:38 +0100, Andy Cap wrote: On 08/04/13 16:18, Mark wrote: The Poll Tax was unfair on larger households. I can see why the Poll Tax was popular in some circles though since it shifted taxation from the rich to the poor. Why shouldn't all earners in a household, contribute to local services? They do. The vast majority of the money spent by local government is provided by central government which is extracted from all the earners via income tax. Once again showing the beaurocratic ******** that is having so many so called specific taxes... -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage Reading this on the web? See: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Usenet |
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On 08/04/13 17:05, Mark wrote:
Why shouldn't all earners in a household, contribute to local services? They do. The vast majority of the money spent by local government is provided by central government which is extracted from all the earners via income tax. That still doesn't escape the fact, that some people are subsidising other's local services. Perhaps if they paid, some wouldn't feel so keen to go out an wreak havoc at every opportunity. How bout we settle for a local income tax then ? |
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On 08/04/13 15:06, Huge wrote:
On 2013-04-08, Mike Tomlinson wrote: In article , tony sayer writes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155 Ding dong, the witch is dead. Yawn. Couldn't you at least thought of something originally rude to say? How about: The Iron Lady -- May she rust in ****. Hugh -- Hugh Newbury www.evershot-weather.org |
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En el artículo , Hugh Newbury
escribió: How about: The Iron Lady -- May she rust in ****. *tips hat* Thank you -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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Mark wrote:
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:49:31 +0100, Andy Cap wrote: On 08/04/13 13:41, bm wrote: Dead right, lets have more poll tax. YMBFJ Nothing wrong with the Poll tax, it was just that it dragged in a lot of young earners who get their services for free and had loud voices. The Council tax is really unfair to people living on their own. The Poll Tax was unfair on larger households. I can see why the Poll Tax was popular in some circles though since it shifted taxation from the rich to the poor. Err no it didn't. It put the tax onto the middle classes in the main. The greater part of the protestors seemed to be the Tarquins, Jessicas and Annabelles who used to pay nothing because daddy paid the rates who suddenly had to pay a (fairly minor) tax. At the time I was hoping for local income tax as I used to pay in Switzerland, even though this would have affected me more than the poll tax did. My payments quadrupled under the poll tax because wife & kids refused to pay "on principle[1]". So I had to pay as "head of household". [1] I think the principle was that they were too mean to pay it. It was the idea of going after the "head of household" that got me. I can't afford to get a criminal record so I had to pay. If they had made the individual responsible I would have left the kids to make their own decision. -- €¢DarWin| _/ _/ |
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