The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Why isn't it ever easy?

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On 06/04/2013 16:04, John wrote:
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

BSP threads *are* metric threads. They have been designated as being
metric to maintain compatibility with existing systems. You would be a
lot less happy if you had to decide to which of two different,
incompatible, systems the thread you were looking at belonged.

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

I don't and I use plastic BSP threads regularly.

Why isn't it ever easy?

That is one of the basic laws of DIY.

Colin Bignell

In article ,
John writes:
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

It hasn't. You'll find that same 1/2 inch used in plumbing fittings
across much (if not all) Europe, even though the standard pipe sizes
vary between countries.

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

A brass one would be much more expensive.
Tightening to seal against the fibre washer should damage the thread.

Why isn't it ever easy?

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In article ,
(Andrew Gabriel) writes:
A brass one would be much more expensive.
Tightening to seal against the fibre washer should damage the thread.

s/should/shouldn't/

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"John" wrote in message
...
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Why isn't it ever easy?

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God moves in mysterious ways ...

On 06/04/2013 16:04, John wrote:
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Why isn't it ever easy?


Almost spells Yoyo...

(I did respond earlier but from a different machine - apologies if this
becomes a duplicate.)

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On 06/04/2013 18:11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.


Although, were it to be designated in metric, it would be 21mm, the OD
of the thread, not 12.7mm, the nominal bore of the wrought iron pipe the
thread was designed for.

Colin Bignell

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.

And you know what they say about standards, they are great, but there are so
many different standards to choose from.

In message , John
writes
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Why isn't it ever easy?


The road to heaven ...



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geoff

John wrote:
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Well you said it was disabled.



Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Why isn't it ever easy?

B/Q stock metal ones I'm sure, though as to why the size your guess is as
good as mine. Having had dealings with the plastic ones relaxing in a few
months and leaking I too wonder why these are still made.

Brian

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"John" wrote in message
...
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Why isn't it ever easy?

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On Sat, 6 Apr 2013 16:04:11 +0100, John wrote:

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Because they're ham-fisted galoots?

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

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On 12/04/2013 15:38, charles wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

And have "42 Pouces" TV screens, with the metric size in brackets and
small print.

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In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower

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in 1220476 20130412 210100 geoff wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower

And the yanks still use the British Thermal Unit, BTU

On 12/04/2013 21:01, geoff wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower


Germany uses PS (Pferdestärke), which is 0.73549875 kW. 1 HP is
0.745699872 kW. The obsolete PS unit is 75 kg-m/s, whereas the
horsepower unit is 550 lb-ft/s.

According to Wikipedia, other names for the metric horsepower are the
Dutch paardenkracht (pk), the French chevaux (ch), the Swedish hästkraft
(hk), the Finnish hevosvoima (hv), the Norwegian and Danish hestekraft
(hk), the Hungarian lóerÅ‘ (LE), the Czech koňská sÃ*la and Slovak konská
sila (k or ks), the Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian konjska snaga (KS),the
Bulgarian "Кон�ка �ила", the Macedonian Коњ�ка �ила (KC), the Polish koń
mechaniczny and Slovenian konjska mo� (KM) and the Romanian cal-putere
(CP) which all equal the German Pferdestärke (PS).

The Dutch also use 'pond' for 500 grams, and 'ons' for 100 grams. Like
the French, they use their word for 'thumb' for 'inch', in this case 'duim'.


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On 13/04/13 16:47, Ramsman wrote:
On 12/04/2013 21:01, geoff wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it
makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower


Germany uses PS (Pferdestärke), which is 0.73549875 kW. 1 HP is
0.745699872 kW.

No it isnt.

The obsolete PS unit is 75 kg-m/s, whereas the horsepower unit is 550
lb-ft/s.


No it isint.

That is BRAKE horsepower (bhp)

Horse power is another thing altogether and was originally a rating
system for car taxation involving a ludicrous combination of bore and
stroke that favoured long stroke low revving engines for taxation purposes.

According to Wikipedia, other names for the metric horsepower are the
Dutch paardenkracht (pk), the French chevaux (ch), the Swedish
hästkraft (hk), the Finnish hevosvoima (hv), the Norwegian and Danish
hestekraft (hk), the Hungarian lóerÅ‘ (LE), the Czech koňská sÃ*la and
Slovak konská sila (k or ks), the Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian konjska
snaga (KS),the Bulgarian "Кон�ка �ила", the Macedonian Коњ�ка �ила
(KC), the Polish koń mechaniczny and Slovenian konjska mo� (KM) and
the Romanian cal-putere (CP) which all equal the German Pferdestärke
(PS).

The Dutch also use 'pond' for 500 grams, and 'ons' for 100 grams. Like
the French, they use their word for 'thumb' for 'inch', in this case
'duim'.




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In message , Ramsman
writes
On 12/04/2013 21:01, geoff wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower


Germany uses PS (Pferdestärke),

Which directly translates to horsepower
While it may be technically obsolete, it's up there everywhere in common
usage, on billboards, in magazines, Ueeeeeeberall.

which is 0.73549875 kW.
1 HP is 0.745699872 kW.

German horses just aren't quite as strong as the ones we have in the UK

Not is a pfund a british pound (also obsolete), but people use the term
in both countries



The obsolete PS unit is 75 kg-m/s, whereas the horsepower unit is 550
lb-ft/s.

According to Wikipedia, other names for the metric horsepower are the
Dutch paardenkracht (pk), the French chevaux (ch), the Swedish
hästkraft (hk), the Finnish hevosvoima (hv), the Norwegian and Danish
hestekraft (hk), the Hungarian lóer0 Slovak konská sila (k or ks), the Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian konjska
snaga (KS),the Bulgarian "0 (KC), the Polish ko0 Romanian cal-putere (CP) which all equal the German Pferdestärke (PS).

The Dutch also use 'pond' for 500 grams, and 'ons' for 100 grams. Like
the French, they use their word for 'thumb' for 'inch', in this case
'duim'.


Very well done you ...


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In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 13/04/13 16:47, Ramsman wrote:
On 12/04/2013 21:01, geoff wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it
makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower


Germany uses PS (Pferdestärke), which is 0.73549875 kW. 1 HP is
0.745699872 kW.

No it isnt.

The obsolete PS unit is 75 kg-m/s, whereas the horsepower unit is 550
lb-ft/s.


No it isint.

That is BRAKE horsepower (bhp)

Horse power is another thing altogether and was originally a rating
system for car taxation involving a ludicrous combination of bore and
stroke that favoured long stroke low revving engines for taxation
purposes.


But he was doing so well ...


--
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On 13/04/13 20:44, geoff wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 13/04/13 16:47, Ramsman wrote:
On 12/04/2013 21:01, geoff wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the
standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it
makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower


Germany uses PS (Pferdestärke), which is 0.73549875 kW. 1 HP is
0.745699872 kW.

No it isnt.

The obsolete PS unit is 75 kg-m/s, whereas the horsepower unit is
550 lb-ft/s.


No it isint.

That is BRAKE horsepower (bhp)

Horse power is another thing altogether and was originally a rating
system for car taxation involving a ludicrous combination of bore and
stroke that favoured long stroke low revving engines for taxation
purposes.


But he was doing so well ...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_horsepower


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On 13/04/2013 16:55, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/04/13 16:47, Ramsman wrote:
On 12/04/2013 21:01, geoff wrote:
In message , charles
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
John wrote:

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

The point is not to go metric but to go *standard*. If the standard is
1/2" then that's what everyone uses. You can call it 12.7mm if it
makes
you feel any better.

even the French refer to an equipment rack of "dix-neuf pouces"

An inch is "zoll" in german
half a kilo is a "pfund"
and they measure power in horsepower


Germany uses PS (Pferdestärke), which is 0.73549875 kW. 1 HP is
0.745699872 kW.

No it isnt.

The obsolete PS unit is 75 kg-m/s, whereas the horsepower unit is 550
lb-ft/s.


No it isint.

Oh yes it is.

That is BRAKE horsepower (bhp)

Oh no it isn't.

Horse power is another thing altogether and was originally a rating
system for car taxation involving a ludicrous combination of bore and
stroke that favoured long stroke low revving engines for taxation purposes.

That is a different concept altogether, as is the old French CV system
for their cars, cf. the Citroen 2CV. It has nothing whatsoever to do
with engine power.

According to Wikipedia, other names for the metric horsepower are the
Dutch paardenkracht (pk), the French chevaux (ch), the Swedish
hästkraft (hk), the Finnish hevosvoima (hv), the Norwegian and Danish
hestekraft (hk), the Hungarian lóerÅ‘ (LE), the Czech koňská sÃ*la and
Slovak konská sila (k or ks), the Bosnian/Croatian/Serbian konjska
snaga (KS),the Bulgarian "Кон�ка �ила", the Macedonian Коњ�ка �ила
(KC), the Polish koń mechaniczny and Slovenian konjska mo� (KM) and
the Romanian cal-putere (CP) which all equal the German Pferdestärke
(PS).

The Dutch also use 'pond' for 500 grams, and 'ons' for 100 grams. Like
the French, they use their word for 'thumb' for 'inch', in this case
'duim'.






--
Peter

On 2013-04-06, John wrote:

Why isn't it ever easy?

That's exactly how I feel.


Justin.

--
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John wrote:
The disabled toilet started leaking at Church.

Investigation showed it to be the joint onto the plastic filler pipe.

Thought that it might be the washer in the metal stop valve.

Replaced stop valve but it seems that the thread on the plastic is shot
and not sure that the bore is big enough to go over the metal core to
seat it properly.

Need to get a new ball valve assembly.

Why are they still 1/2 inch when everything else has gone metric?

Why do they use plastic which means that anyone tightening it always
destroys the thread?

Why isn't it ever easy?

Almost spells yoyo...

--
rod