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Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector
plastic bit snapped off. Never had it happen before, I suspect a shoddy plastic moulding, but difficult or impossible to prove that I didn't break it by trying to force it. No luck with RMA to eBuyer, and Seagate don't repair HDDs or sell the bits. So it looks as though my best option may be to try and glue the plastic back onto the metal. Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting and if I don't get it absolutely right at the first attempt then I could end up even worse off. So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Assuming I manage to repair it then I will probably use an all-in-one connector for both power and data to give more rigidity. The alternative is to glue a modular power cable to the drive as a permanent fixture. Cheers Dave R |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 16:01, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Never had it happen before, I suspect a shoddy plastic moulding, but difficult or impossible to prove that I didn't break it by trying to force it. I have had this happen on a fairly pricey SSD in the past... No luck with RMA to eBuyer, and Seagate don't repair HDDs or sell the bits. So it looks as though my best option may be to try and glue the plastic back onto the metal. Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting and if I don't get it absolutely right at the first attempt then I could end up even worse off. Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. So you can paint some on the broken edge, and also on the side where it will be against the back of the "pins", and still have some working time. Slide it down the pins into place, and get it into position. Support it will a stick or spatula to hold it in place, and give it a squirt of Cyano accelerator. The will lock it in position pretty much instantly. Leave for a few mins to cure fully. I have a load of SATA to Molex power adaptor leads - so I then stuck on of those on it so that I could disconnect it at the other end of the lead at a later date if required. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote:
On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? Cheers Dave R |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 16:52, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? No, its a volatile solvent based stuff... It gasifies almost immediately. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:14:50 +0000, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/02/2013 16:01, David.WE.Roberts wrote: I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. snip I have a load of SATA to Molex power adaptor leads - so I then stuck on of those on it so that I could disconnect it at the other end of the lead at a later date if required. Just looked and there are SATA power lead extenders so I may go with one of those - although I have been pointed in 'uk.comp.homebuilt' to connectors which combine a SATA data lead and power lead (much like the adapters for external USB drives) with a Molex adapter. This could be more rigid that just a power extension. http://dx.com/p/sata-7-15p-sata-7-4p-data-power-cable-30cm-length-58857 and http://www.maplin.co.uk/sata-ii-r-a-...molex-sata-ii- cable-351963 and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Startech-com...ombo-Cable/dp/ B004NO0KIQ/ Cheers Dave R |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 16:45, Huge wrote:
On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. Indeed - sorry I was thinking of the threadlock style glues... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 17:02, Huge wrote:
BTW, the shelf life of cyanoacrylates can be greatly extended by keeping them in the 'frig. The 25ml bottle I got from Screwfix is still going strong several years later, with refrigeration and careful handling (get the top back on *fast* to expose it to the air as little as possible.) Yes. I keep mine in the freezer - as recommended in all the best model aircraft magazines! It remains liquid and is ready for instant use but lasts for a few years. Another Dave |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
En el artículo , Huge
escribió: The 25ml bottle I got from Screwfix is still going strong several years later, with refrigeration and careful handling (get the top back on *fast* to expose it to the air as little as possible.) Ta for the tip, now moved to the fridge. I also blow into the nozzle (NOT applying lips!) sharply to clear the hole, and don't screw the top back on tight, just enough to close it. That prevents it from clogging up and having to be cleared with a paperclip or similar next time you use it. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
En el artículo , David.WE.Roberts
escribió: I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Salvage the power/data assembly from a dead drive and swap it over? -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 16:59, Huge wrote:
On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: On 02/02/2013 16:52, David.WE.Roberts wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? No, its a volatile solvent based stuff... It gasifies almost immediately. Ethanol. My tin (siroflex) says "contains Heptane, Hexane mixture of isomers (max5% n-Hexane". Not sure what proportion of that is active ingredient and what is just propellant though. It appears that baking soda is also a decent accelerator. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/13 16:52, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? it can. a sweaty thmb on one bit works.. Cheers Dave R -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:48:38 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , David.WE.Roberts escribió: I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Salvage the power/data assembly from a dead drive and swap it over? Not having a dead Seagate SATA 6Gb/sec drive lying around that isn't really an option. [Well, apart from one with a dead power connector...] There is also the suggestion that the PCB is specifically tuned for the individual drive. This is the justification Seagate use for not repairing drives or supplying spare parts. Cheers Dave R |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
En el artículo , David.WE.Roberts
escribió: There is also the suggestion that the PCB is specifically tuned for the individual drive. I meant desoldering and swapping the connector, not swapping the PCB. Yes, the days when you could recover data from a failed drive by swapping the PCB from a known working one are long gone. -- (\_/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
responding to http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...ct-871107-.htm
DA wrote: David.WE.Roberts wrote: So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Sounds like a perfect application for quick setting epoxy a.k.a. "1 min epoxy" - Epoxy resin/Polymercaptan hardener. Loctite makes it and I'm sure plenty others do, too. It has no problem gluing metal to plastic and once cured, becomes super strong and impact resistant, unlike brittle superglue. Sets in 1 min - gives you plenty of time to position the bits and reaches max strength in 5-10 mins. There's also 5 minute epoxy which sets in, well, 5 minutes and max strength in 1 hr. http://www.loctiteproducts.com/tds/EPXY_1MIN_tds.pdf http://www.loctiteproducts.com/tds/EPXY_5MIN_tds.pdf Good luck! -- /\_/\ ((@v@)) NIGHT ():::() OWL VV-VV |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
"David.WE.Roberts" wrote in message ... I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Never had it happen before, I suspect a shoddy plastic moulding, but difficult or impossible to prove that I didn't break it by trying to force it. No luck with RMA to eBuyer, and Seagate don't repair HDDs or sell the bits. So it looks as though my best option may be to try and glue the plastic back onto the metal. Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting and if I don't get it absolutely right at the first attempt then I could end up even worse off. So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Assuming I manage to repair it then I will probably use an all-in-one connector for both power and data to give more rigidity. The alternative is to glue a modular power cable to the drive as a permanent fixture. Cheers Dave R Hold together with blu tack. Then use a bead of superglue. |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:44:02 +0000, DA wrote:
responding to http://www.homeownershub.com/uk-diy/...-setting-than- superglue-sata-power-connect-871107-.htm DA wrote: David.WE.Roberts wrote: So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Sounds like a perfect application for quick setting epoxy a.k.a. "1 min epoxy" - Epoxy resin/Polymercaptan hardener. Loctite makes it and I'm sure plenty others do, too. It has no problem gluing metal to plastic and once cured, becomes super strong and impact resistant, unlike brittle superglue. Sets in 1 min - gives you plenty of time to position the bits and reaches max strength in 5-10 mins. There's also 5 minute epoxy which sets in, well, 5 minutes and max strength in 1 hr. http://www.loctiteproducts.com/tds/EPXY_1MIN_tds.pdf http://www.loctiteproducts.com/tds/EPXY_5MIN_tds.pdf Good luck! Thanks :-) Although the superglue is only a temporary measure before a connector is fixed permanently on, a more robust solution does have its attractions. Cheers Dave R |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:41:57 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , David.WE.Roberts escribió: There is also the suggestion that the PCB is specifically tuned for the individual drive. I meant desoldering and swapping the connector, not swapping the PCB. Yes, the days when you could recover data from a failed drive by swapping the PCB from a known working one are long gone. I think my glueing is better than my soldering. Although I don't have any dead SATA drives - all my corpses are PATA. Cheers Dave R |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 16:52, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? You huff on the join - the moisture in your breath will set it off. -- mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 16:01, David.WE.Roberts wrote:
I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Never had it happen before, I suspect a shoddy plastic moulding, but difficult or impossible to prove that I didn't break it by trying to force it. No luck with RMA to eBuyer, and Seagate don't repair HDDs or sell the bits. So it looks as though my best option may be to try and glue the plastic back onto the metal. Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting and if I don't get it absolutely right at the first attempt then I could end up even worse off. So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Assuming I manage to repair it then I will probably use an all-in-one connector for both power and data to give more rigidity. The alternative is to glue a modular power cable to the drive as a permanent fixture. Cheers Dave R Epoxy |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
In message om,
newshound writes On 02/02/2013 16:01, David.WE.Roberts wrote: I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Never had it happen before, I suspect a shoddy plastic moulding, but difficult or impossible to prove that I didn't break it by trying to force it. No luck with RMA to eBuyer, and Seagate don't repair HDDs or sell the bits. So it looks as though my best option may be to try and glue the plastic back onto the metal. Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting and if I don't get it absolutely right at the first attempt then I could end up even worse off. So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Assuming I manage to repair it then I will probably use an all-in-one connector for both power and data to give more rigidity. The alternative is to glue a modular power cable to the drive as a permanent fixture. Cheers Dave R Epoxy Ordinary (non-gel) superglue is very good at creeping (usually into somewhere you didn't really want it). It's often better to clamp/tape the broken bits together first (but not excessively tightly), and apply the superglue so that it creeps into the join. Then leave it strictly alone. If necessary, apply a drop of water or spray - but if you leave if long enough, it WILL 'go off'. -- Ian |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
On 2 Feb 2013 16:59:21 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: On 02/02/2013 16:52, David.WE.Roberts wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? No, its a volatile solvent based stuff... It gasifies almost immediately. Ethanol. It appears that baking soda is also a decent accelerator. I thought the OP wanted to slow down the setting, not accelerate it... :-) -- Frank Erskine |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 18:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/02/13 16:52, David.WE.Roberts wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? it can. a sweaty thmb on one bit works.. although you may find you can't get the sweaty thumb off the thing after! ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
David.WE.Roberts wrote ...
I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Never had it happen before, I suspect a shoddy plastic moulding, but difficult or impossible to prove that I didn't break it by trying to force it. No luck with RMA to eBuyer, and Seagate don't repair HDDs or sell the bits. So it looks as though my best option may be to try and glue the plastic back onto the metal. Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting and if I don't get it absolutely right at the first attempt then I could end up even worse off. So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Assuming I manage to repair it then I will probably use an all-in-one connector for both power and data to give more rigidity. The alternative is to glue a modular power cable to the drive as a permanent fixture. Got a hot glue gun ? |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 02:02:05 -0000, Kenny wrote:
David.WE.Roberts wrote ... I have a brand new Seagate 3TB SATA 3 drive with the power connector plastic bit snapped off. Never had it happen before, I suspect a shoddy plastic moulding, but difficult or impossible to prove that I didn't break it by trying to force it. No luck with RMA to eBuyer, and Seagate don't repair HDDs or sell the bits. So it looks as though my best option may be to try and glue the plastic back onto the metal. Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting and if I don't get it absolutely right at the first attempt then I could end up even worse off. So is there something suitable for bonding hard plastic to metal (and a very skinny bit of hard plastic) which allows you to slide the two bits together, reposition to get them absolutely aligned, then hold together for a bit whilst it sets? Assuming I manage to repair it then I will probably use an all-in-one connector for both power and data to give more rigidity. The alternative is to glue a modular power cable to the drive as a permanent fixture. Got a hot glue gun ? I keep mine between my angle-grinder and a tin of WD40. |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
"David.WE.Roberts" wrote in message ... On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 18:41:57 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el artÃ*culo , David.WE.Roberts escribió: There is also the suggestion that the PCB is specifically tuned for the individual drive. I meant desoldering and swapping the connector, not swapping the PCB. Yes, the days when you could recover data from a failed drive by swapping the PCB from a known working one are long gone. I think my glueing is better than my soldering. Although I don't have any dead SATA drives - all my corpses are PATA. Not hard to get a corpse off ebay for peanuts. |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
In message , John
Rumm writes superglue sets when its deprived of air usually how come it doesn't set in the tube then? -- Simon 12) The Second Rule of Expectations An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment. |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
In message , David.WE.Roberts
writes Superglue has been suggested but (not that I've used it much) I think that it is very quick acting Relatively larger volumes of superglue take relatively longer to set, (but present relatively greater chances of gluing fingers together - experience!). -- Simon 12) The Second Rule of Expectations An EXPECTATION is a Premeditated resentment. |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 02/02/2013 22:16, Ian Jackson wrote:
Ordinary (non-gel) superglue is very good at creeping (usually into somewhere you didn't really want it). It's often better to clamp/tape the broken bits together first (but not excessively tightly), and apply the superglue so that it creeps into the join. Then leave it strictly alone. If necessary, apply a drop of water or spray - but if you leave if long enough, it WILL 'go off'. Most people try to apply the glue from the bottle which results in too much being applied. For repairs such as this I put one drop on on some plastic (food bag) and then use a sewing needle to apply a minute amount only to the surface to be struck. -- mailto:news{at}admac(dot}myzen{dot}co{dot}uk |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connector repair
On Sun, 03 Feb 2013 01:31:32 +0000, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/02/2013 18:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 02/02/13 16:52, David.WE.Roberts wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 16:45:51 +0000, Huge wrote: On 2013-02-02, John Rumm wrote: Well its what I would go with... superglue sets when its deprived of air usually. Nope. Cyanoacrylate superglue is set by the moisture in the air. I was just going to search for cyano accelerator - are you telling me that this could be a fine mist of water? it can. a sweaty thmb on one bit works.. although you may find you can't get the sweaty thumb off the thing after! ;-) BTDTcan'tgetTTSon! -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
Something slower setting than superglue - SATA power connectorrepair
On 03/02/2013 05:08, usenet2012 wrote:
In message , John Rumm writes superglue sets when its deprived of air usually how come it doesn't set in the tube then? My error, see my reply to Huge. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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