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Fracking to proceed in Southern England.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraul...United_Kingdom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20707574 Give the NIMBYs a pause for thought from wind turbines. I hope they find coal there and bury nuclear waste too. |
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On 13/01/2013 18:16, harry wrote:
Fracking to proceed in Southern England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraul...United_Kingdom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20707574 Give the NIMBYs a pause for thought from wind turbines. I hope they find coal there and bury nuclear waste too. 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell |
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On 13/01/13 18:35, Nightjar wrote:
On 13/01/2013 18:16, harry wrote: Fracking to proceed in Southern England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraul...United_Kingdom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20707574 Give the NIMBYs a pause for thought from wind turbines. I hope they find coal there and bury nuclear waste too. 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell I certainly went down a coal mine in Kent in the 60s. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:35:10 +0000, Nightjar
wrote: On 13/01/2013 18:16, harry wrote: Fracking to proceed in Southern England. Give the NIMBYs a pause for thought from wind turbines. I hope they find coal there and bury nuclear waste too. 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England There were still coal mines working in Somerset up to 1970's but it seems to suit some northerners to wallow in self pity and think it was only them who were oppressed by the industrial revolution. In the Southwest much mineral mining had started and finished by the time many of the dark satanic mills were built . Talking of the Southwest, Bideford in North Devon has a small seam of coal under it. Whereas the jam butty mines of knotty ash are fictional the paint mine at Bideford was not,a local paint manufacturer used the some of the coal as pigment till the mine closed in 1969. G.Harman |
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:02:08 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/01/13 18:35, Nightjar wrote: On 13/01/2013 18:16, harry wrote: Fracking to proceed in Southern England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Hydraulic_fracturing_in_the_United_Kingdom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20707574 Give the NIMBYs a pause for thought from wind turbines. I hope they find coal there and bury nuclear waste too. 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell I certainly went down a coal mine in Kent in the 60s. There's a closed down mine just a few miles from here. -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org My posts (including this one) are my copyright and if @diy_forums on Twitter wish to tweet them they can pay me £30 a post *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 13/01/2013 20:40, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:35:10 +0000, Nightjar wrote: On 13/01/2013 18:16, harry wrote: Fracking to proceed in Southern England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraul...United_Kingdom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20707574 Give the NIMBYs a pause for thought from wind turbines. I hope they find coal there and bury nuclear waste too. 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell And oil for that matter. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wytch_Farm And Stockbridge. -- Rod |
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Chris Hogg wrote:
1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell And oil for that matter. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wytch_Farm There's an oil field a few miles from my home and we don't live in Dorset, but do live on the South Downs. The working pits in Kent included Betteshanger (closed 1989), Chislet (closed 1969), Cobham (closed 1953), Shakespeare (closed 1915), Snowdown (closed 1986) and Tilmanstone (closed 1986). Hardly a shortage of coal and coal mines in the South East. I'm not sure why harry thought that there's no coal or other hydrocarbons in the South East, other of course than the fact that he's an idiot. |
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On 13/01/2013 21:09, Steve Firth wrote:
Chris Hogg wrote: 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell And oil for that matter. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wytch_Farm There's an oil field a few miles from my home and we don't live in Dorset, but do live on the South Downs. The working pits in Kent included Betteshanger (closed 1989), Chislet (closed 1969), Cobham (closed 1953), Shakespeare (closed 1915), Snowdown (closed 1986) and Tilmanstone (closed 1986). Hardly a shortage of coal and coal mines in the South East. I'm not sure why harry thought that there's no coal or other hydrocarbons in the South East, other of course than the fact that he's an idiot. Surely fracking is for gas and or oil, not coal. -- Remember the early bird may catch the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. |
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On 14/01/2013 07:49, Broadback wrote:
On 13/01/2013 21:09, Steve Firth wrote: Chris Hogg wrote: 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell And oil for that matter. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wytch_Farm There's an oil field a few miles from my home and we don't live in Dorset, but do live on the South Downs. The working pits in Kent included Betteshanger (closed 1989), Chislet (closed 1969), Cobham (closed 1953), Shakespeare (closed 1915), Snowdown (closed 1986) and Tilmanstone (closed 1986). Hardly a shortage of coal and coal mines in the South East. I'm not sure why harry thought that there's no coal or other hydrocarbons in the South East, other of course than the fact that he's an idiot. Surely fracking is for gas and or oil, not coal. Harry commented that he hoped that coal would be found in the South. In that, he is about a century and a half too late. Colin Bignell |
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That is not a very nice attitude is it. Its the planet that worries me, we
only have the one. Brian -- From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active "harry" wrote in message ... Fracking to proceed in Southern England. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraul...United_Kingdom http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20707574 Give the NIMBYs a pause for thought from wind turbines. I hope they find coal there and bury nuclear waste too. |
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On 14/01/2013 08:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
That is not a very nice attitude is it. Its the planet that worries me, we only have the one. Brian Let's hope The Cotswolds have the richest deposits |
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On 14/01/13 08:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
That is not a very nice attitude is it. Its the planet that worries me, we only have the one. Brian I'm not worried about the planet. I am worried about all the people, of which we have a lot more than one. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 14/01/13 09:55, stuart noble wrote:
On 14/01/2013 08:29, Brian Gaff wrote: That is not a very nice attitude is it. Its the planet that worries me, we only have the one. Brian Let's hope The Cotswolds have the richest deposits To be honest a fracking rig is pretty compact and with horizontal fracking being the order of the day, you dont need to be that near the gas. Its certainly a lot less destructive than even deep shaft mining. I wouldn't object to fraking round here. Small footprint large payback. Or more nuclear power. As above. Renewable energy is a voracious consumer of land area, like farming. Both dominate the landscape. But at least with farming you get something you need. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 14/01/2013 10:35, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:49:41 +0000, Broadback wrote: On 13/01/2013 21:09, Steve Firth wrote: Chris Hogg wrote: 1) I mentioned this a while ago. 2) There is coal in SE England Colin Bignell And oil for that matter. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wytch_Farm There's an oil field a few miles from my home and we don't live in Dorset, but do live on the South Downs. The working pits in Kent included Betteshanger (closed 1989), Chislet (closed 1969), Cobham (closed 1953), Shakespeare (closed 1915), Snowdown (closed 1986) and Tilmanstone (closed 1986). Hardly a shortage of coal and coal mines in the South East. I'm not sure why harry thought that there's no coal or other hydrocarbons in the South East, other of course than the fact that he's an idiot. Surely fracking is for gas and or oil, not coal. Yebbut where there's coal, there's often gas and/or sometimes oil. All three derive from plant and animal remains entombed in sediments squillions of years ago, that slowly change over the millennia. Often, the deposits of coal or oil aren't sufficiently plentiful to be worth recovering, but modern horizontal and directional drilling techniques allow large areas to be exploited for gas without excessive cost. Have they finally agreed that there is no methane outgassing from the interior of the earth, collecting under impervious deposits? -- Rod |
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Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy
sources. Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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On 14/01/2013 13:39, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:43:21 +0000, polygonum wrote: On 14/01/2013 10:35, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 07:49:41 +0000, Broadback wrote: Surely fracking is for gas and or oil, not coal. Yebbut where there's coal, there's often gas and/or sometimes oil. All three derive from plant and animal remains entombed in sediments squillions of years ago, that slowly change over the millennia. Often, the deposits of coal or oil aren't sufficiently plentiful to be worth recovering, but modern horizontal and directional drilling techniques allow large areas to be exploited for gas without excessive cost. Have they finally agreed that there is no methane outgassing from the interior of the earth, collecting under impervious deposits? Sorry, no idea. That's a new one on me, but my geology is a few decades old, so probably out-of-date by now. Seem to remember that one of the supporters of the idea wanted to drill in Scandinavia (Sweden?) below a rock layer which could not have any organic matter below it. -- Rod |
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On 14/01/2013 14:21, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:59:22 +0000, polygonum wrote: On 14/01/2013 13:39, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:43:21 +0000, polygonum wrote: Have they finally agreed that there is no methane outgassing from the interior of the earth, collecting under impervious deposits? Sorry, no idea. That's a new one on me, but my geology is a few decades old, so probably out-of-date by now. Seem to remember that one of the supporters of the idea wanted to drill in Scandinavia (Sweden?) below a rock layer which could not have any organic matter below it. Now you mention it, that does ring a faint bell. Found this: http://rense.com/general58/biot.htm but I don't know if it answers your question. I haven't read it all, but it appears that the jury's still out. Doesn't answer it (I don't think!) but yes, it is the right story. -- Rod |
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On 14/01/13 11:47, Robin wrote:
Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy
sources. Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid |
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On Jan 14, 2:22*pm, polygonum wrote:
On 14/01/2013 14:21, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 13:59:22 +0000, polygonum wrote: On 14/01/2013 13:39, Chris Hogg wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2013 10:43:21 +0000, polygonum wrote: Have they finally agreed that there is no methane outgassing from the interior of the earth, collecting under impervious deposits? Sorry, no idea. That's a new one on me, but my geology is a few decades old, so probably out-of-date by now. Seem to remember that one of the supporters of the idea wanted to drill in Scandinavia (Sweden?) below a rock layer which could not have any organic matter below it. Now you mention it, that does ring a faint bell. Found this: http://rense.com/general58/biot.htmbut I don't know if it answers your question. I haven't read it all, but it appears that the jury's still out. Doesn't answer it (I don't think!) but yes, it is the right story. -- Rod http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas |
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On Jan 14, 5:48*pm, "Robin" wrote:
Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. *Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. *Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid The possibility of burying nuclear waste in Cumbria is being explored. It will cost more then the Channel Tunnel to construct. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19816861 TurNiP doesn't like this to be mentioned. |
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Robin wrote Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? The possibility of burying nuclear waste in Cumbria is being explored. Only by the fools that are too stupid to even notice that the best way to dispose of it is to burn it in thorium nukes. It will cost more then the Channel Tunnel to construct. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19816861 And that's why its completely stupid. TurNiP doesn't like this to be mentioned. Because its not relevant to what should be done with it. |
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On 14/01/2013 20:14, harry wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas Congratulations - you've found Wiki. Exactly what were trying to point out? -- Rod |
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On 14/01/13 20:17, harry wrote:
On Jan 14, 5:48 pm, "Robin" wrote: Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid The possibility of burying nuclear waste in Cumbria is being explored. It will cost more then the Channel Tunnel to construct. So does the NHS When did you last use the channel tunnel? When did you last use electricity? When did you last see a doctor? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19816861 TurNiP doesn't like this to be mentioned. It only costs because people are so scared of it. Its a high price to pay for being ignorant as pig****. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On Jan 14, 8:24*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:
harry wrote Robin wrote Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. *Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. *Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? The possibility of burying nuclear waste in Cumbria is being explored. Only by the fools that are too stupid to even notice that the best way to dispose of it is to burn it in thorium nukes. It will cost more then the Channel Tunnel to construct. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19816861 And that's why its completely stupid. TurNiP doesn't like this to be mentioned. Because its not relevant to what should be done with it. Which "thorium nukes" is that? It's relevant because it is one of the ignored costs of nuclear power. |
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On Jan 14, 8:33*pm, polygonum wrote:
On 14/01/2013 20:14, harry wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas Congratulations - you've found Wiki. Exactly what were trying to point out? -- Rod There is a lot about the technology/production of natural gas. Is it too difficult for you to understand? |
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On Jan 15, 6:43*am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: On 14/01/13 20:17, harry wrote: On Jan 14, 5:48 pm, "Robin" wrote: Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. *Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. *Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid The possibility of burying nuclear waste in Cumbria is being explored. It will cost more then the Channel Tunnel to construct. So does the NHS When did you last use the channel tunnel? When did you last use electricity? When did you last see a doctor? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19816861 TurNiP doesn't like this to be mentioned. It only costs because people are so scared of it. Its a high price to pay for being ignorant as pig****. Oh so TurNiP knows better than everyone else then? That puts you thicker than pig****. |
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On 15/01/13 07:10, harry wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:24 pm, "Rod Speed" wrote: harry wrote Robin wrote Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? The possibility of burying nuclear waste in Cumbria is being explored. Only by the fools that are too stupid to even notice that the best way to dispose of it is to burn it in thorium nukes. It will cost more then the Channel Tunnel to construct. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19816861 And that's why its completely stupid. TurNiP doesn't like this to be mentioned. Because its not relevant to what should be done with it. Which "thorium nukes" is that? It's relevant because it is one of the ignored costs of nuclear power. Its not ignored. Not like the storage/backup/decomissioning/fuel hungry maintenance/enhanced and re-rated grid/damage to environment/sheer ****ing ugliness of renewable energy. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 15/01/13 07:11, harry wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:33 pm, polygonum wrote: On 14/01/2013 20:14, harry wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas Congratulations - you've found Wiki. Exactly what were trying to point out? -- Rod There is a lot about the technology/production of natural gas. Is it too difficult for you to understand? Not for ME, no. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 15/01/13 07:13, harry wrote:
On Jan 15, 6:43 am, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 14/01/13 20:17, harry wrote: On Jan 14, 5:48 pm, "Robin" wrote: Only having one planet at present is part of the case for more energy sources. Else we cannot develop the means to colonise other planets or other places in space No, its simply establishes a case for BIGGER energy sources. Not more of them You may be right but I am unclear what's wrong with increased numbers of what we have now. Are you saying you would, for instance, argue against a greater number of nuclear power stations if they were the same as (or smaller than) the ones we have now and insist that we really must have *bigger* ones? -- Robin reply to address is (meant to be) valid The possibility of burying nuclear waste in Cumbria is being explored. It will cost more then the Channel Tunnel to construct. So does the NHS When did you last use the channel tunnel? When did you last use electricity? When did you last see a doctor? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-19816861 TurNiP doesn't like this to be mentioned. It only costs because people are so scared of it. Its a high price to pay for being ignorant as pig****. IN this case, yes. That puts you thicker than pig****. No. It doesn't harry. -- Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers. |
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On 15/01/2013 07:11, harry wrote:
On Jan 14, 8:33 pm, polygonum wrote: On 14/01/2013 20:14, harry wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas Congratulations - you've found Wiki. Exactly what were trying to point out? -- Rod There is a lot about the technology/production of natural gas. Is it too difficult for you to understand? No. But does the article (which is quite long) say anything about the subject under discussion - abiotic methane? I didn't see anything in my fairly quick scan-read. -- Rod |
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Now you mention it, that does ring a faint bell. Found this: http://rense.com/general58/biot.htm but I don't know if it answers your question. I haven't read it all, but it appears that the jury's still out. Doesn't answer it (I don't think!) but yes, it is the right story. This seems fair as a summary, and it is a more appropriate Wiki entry than shotgunning in something random about methane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin -- Burn Hollywood burn, burn down to the ground |
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On 15/01/2013 10:24, Steve Firth wrote:
polygonum wrote: Now you mention it, that does ring a faint bell. Found this: http://rense.com/general58/biot.htm but I don't know if it answers your question. I haven't read it all, but it appears that the jury's still out. Doesn't answer it (I don't think!) but yes, it is the right story. This seems fair as a summary, and it is a more appropriate Wiki entry than shotgunning in something random about methane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin And that links to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siljan_Ring Which is, I think, what I was half-remembering. (Maybe even quarter-remembering is being too generous to my memory of this.) -- Rod |
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