I have a hot water cylinder upstairs which is heated from my boiler,
controlled by a thermostat on the tank and a fully pumped central heating
system.

I have another bathroom downstairs, with its own hot water cylinder, cold
tank etc, entirely independent of the rest of the house - its water is
heated by an immersion heater, although there is an unused indirect coil in
the cylinder.

I know want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a
thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm to the
same circuit as the first one, in parallel. Both might take a hot feed at
the same time or either one call for heat. Twin port valve to each
controlled by the thermostats?

Any problems with this plan?

Geoff

On 02/01/2013 17:22, Geoff Pearson wrote:
I have a hot water cylinder upstairs which is heated from my boiler,
controlled by a thermostat on the tank and a fully pumped central
heating system.

I have another bathroom downstairs, with its own hot water cylinder,
cold tank etc, entirely independent of the rest of the house - its water
is heated by an immersion heater, although there is an unused indirect
coil in the cylinder.

I know want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a
thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm to the
same circuit as the first one, in parallel. Both might take a hot feed
at the same time or either one call for heat. Twin port valve to each
controlled by the thermostats?

Any problems with this plan?

The normal solution would be to make it a S+ plan system with a two port
valve for each zone. So in your case, one heating zone and two hot water.

So similar to:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...s:_S_Plus-plan

but with two cylinders and one set of rads.

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Cheers,

John.

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 5:22:02 PM UTC, Geoff Pearson wrote:

I have a hot water cylinder upstairs which is heated from my boiler,
controlled by a thermostat on the tank and a fully pumped central heating
system.
I have another bathroom downstairs, with its own hot water cylinder, cold
tank etc, entirely independent of the rest of the house - its water is
heated by an immersion heater, although there is an unused indirect coil in
the cylinder.
I know want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a
thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm to the
same circuit as the first one, in parallel. Both might take a hot feed at
the same time or either one call for heat. Twin port valve to each
controlled by the thermostats?
Any problems with this plan?
Geoff

I'd plumb the heating coils in parallel and connect the cylinder stats in parallel, so if either calls for heat, both get it. This means one will overshoot the target temp, but only upto at worst the temp of the primary circuit. The cooler cyl will be heated more than the hotter one, since the delta T across the exchanger is greater.


NT

On 02/01/2013 19:42, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 5:22:02 PM UTC, Geoff Pearson wrote:

I have a hot water cylinder upstairs which is heated from my
boiler, controlled by a thermostat on the tank and a fully pumped
central heating system. I have another bathroom downstairs, with
its own hot water cylinder, cold tank etc, entirely independent of
the rest of the house - its water is heated by an immersion heater,
although there is an unused indirect coil in the cylinder. I know
want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a
thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm
to the same circuit as the first one, in parallel. Both might take
a hot feed at the same time or either one call for heat. Twin port
valve to each controlled by the thermostats? Any problems with this
plan? Geoff

I'd plumb the heating coils in parallel and connect the cylinder
stats in parallel, so if either calls for heat, both get it. This
means one will overshoot the target temp, but only upto at worst the
temp of the primary circuit. The cooler cyl will be heated more than
the hotter one, since the delta T across the exchanger is greater.

The risks of that could include one cylinder getting upto 85 degrees
depending on the flow temp. This is risks to the users of the water if
there are no blending valves, and can also make scaling of the cylinder
more rapid and pronounced in hard water areas.


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Cheers,

John.

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On Jan 2, 5:22*pm, "Geoff Pearson" wrote:
I have a hot water cylinder upstairs which is heated from my boiler,
controlled by a thermostat on the tank and a fully pumped central heating
system.

I have another bathroom downstairs, with its own hot water cylinder, cold
tank etc, entirely independent of the rest of the house - its water is
heated by an immersion heater, although there is an unused indirect coil in
the cylinder.

I know want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a
thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm to the
same circuit as the first one, in parallel. *Both might take a hot feed at
the same time or either one call for heat. *Twin port valve to each
controlled by the thermostats?

Any problems with this plan?

Geoff

You will need valves to balance the heating water flow between the two
tanks in exactly the same way as radiators.

It will have quite a long recovery period. (ie warming up from cold).

On 03/01/2013 10:25, harry wrote:
On Jan 2, 5:22 pm, "Geoff Pearson" wrote:
I have a hot water cylinder upstairs which is heated from my boiler,
controlled by a thermostat on the tank and a fully pumped central heating
system.

I have another bathroom downstairs, with its own hot water cylinder, cold
tank etc, entirely independent of the rest of the house - its water is
heated by an immersion heater, although there is an unused indirect coil in
the cylinder.

I know want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a
thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm to the
same circuit as the first one, in parallel. Both might take a hot feed at
the same time or either one call for heat. Twin port valve to each
controlled by the thermostats?

Any problems with this plan?

Geoff

You will need valves to balance the heating water flow between the two
tanks in exactly the same way as radiators.

It will have quite a long recovery period. (ie warming up from cold).


How about using the closed live output from one of the valves to trigger
the second valve (via the thermostat) - that way you could give one tank
priority over the other, so from cold you could use one bathroom first.

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:47:52 PM UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/01/2013 19:42, wrote:

On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 5:22:02 PM UTC, Geoff Pearson wrote:



I have a hot water cylinder upstairs which is heated from my

boiler, controlled by a thermostat on the tank and a fully pumped

central heating system. I have another bathroom downstairs, with

its own hot water cylinder, cold tank etc, entirely independent of

the rest of the house - its water is heated by an immersion heater,

although there is an unused indirect coil in the cylinder. I know

want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a

thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm

to the same circuit as the first one, in parallel. Both might take

a hot feed at the same time or either one call for heat. Twin port

valve to each controlled by the thermostats? Any problems with this

plan? Geoff



I'd plumb the heating coils in parallel and connect the cylinder

stats in parallel, so if either calls for heat, both get it. This

means one will overshoot the target temp, but only upto at worst the

temp of the primary circuit. The cooler cyl will be heated more than

the hotter one, since the delta T across the exchanger is greater.



The risks of that could include one cylinder getting upto 85 degrees

depending on the flow temp. This is risks to the users of the water if

there are no blending valves, and can also make scaling of the cylinder

more rapid and pronounced in hard water areas.

I guess it depends whether the OP wants water that hot or not. I had it hotter at one place to get enough capacity


NT

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:22:02 -0000, Geoff Pearson wrote:

I know want to add this cylinder to the main system. I plan to use a
thermostat on it, similar to the first one, connect it with 22 mm to
the same circuit as the first one, in parallel. Both might take a hot
feed at the same time or either one call for heat. Twin port valve to
each controlled by the thermostats?

Any problems with this plan?

That is what I would do with the addition of another channel of time
control for the second cylinder. Keeping a cylinder of hot water hot
"just in case" is a good way to burn more gas than you have too. The heat
time of a single cylinder from cool shouldn't be more than 30 minutes,
it's not difficult to "pop the water on" 30 plus mins before you want to
use it. If if both cylinders are cold the reheat time might be an issue
but again a simply manual priority switch (set the relevant programmer to
OFF) solves that.

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Cheers
Dave.