Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717
Might be ********.

Winter weather forecast for winter, shock horror.

JGH

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:14:18 -0800 (PST), jgharston
wrote:

Winter weather forecast for winter, shock horror.

I'm staying in; bugger it.

On Nov 29, 2:19*am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

Minus 20 is not unusual on high ground anyway.
I saw it several times at my last house.

About as likely as any other outcome I'd say.
Brian

--
From the Sofa of Brian Gaff Reply address is active
"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell

On 29/11/2012 09:10, Nightjar wrote:
On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell
The Express regularly give "extreme" weather forecasts, like the experts
using seaweed they are sometimes correct, but not that often I notice. I
must admit I only briefly glance at their front pages when in a
newsagents. Mind you it does not matter as the world is due to end on
the 21st of December, or so I understand.

--
Remember the early bird may catch the worm but the second mouse gets the
cheese.

On 29/11/12 09:10, Nightjar wrote:
On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell

Well..yes and no.

As the above says, its all down to the jet stream.

And there are signs that from time to time the jetstream gets into a
stalled state and moves south, - it has been all year in fact.

THAT sort of thing in winter can mean weeks of Arctic airflow.

Think 1962/63
One can say that the odds on such an event this winter are much much
better than average.


Certainly its predicted to do just that in the next few days...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...etstream;sess=

--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 29/11/2012 09:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/12 09:10, Nightjar wrote:
On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell

Well..yes and no.

As the above says, its all down to the jet stream.

And there are signs that from time to time the jetstream gets into a
stalled state and moves south, - it has been all year in fact.

THAT sort of thing in winter can mean weeks of Arctic airflow.

Think 1962/63
One can say that the odds on such an event this winter are much much
better than average.

But that is all it is possible to say; it is more probable. Claiming
that we will see the coldest winter in 100 years is sensationalist
nonsense.

Certainly its predicted to do just that in the next few days...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...etstream;sess=

I have read that this year it is behaving in a similar way to the way it
did in the winter of 2010.

Colin Bignell

harry wrote:

On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100
years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

They cannot forecast precipitation 12 hours ahead around here.

2 years ago it was a spectacular winter - proper snow in December and
January. Last year it was average.

This year I will have 3/4 of my insulation in place so I will be interested
in seeing how it performs whne deciding how much I will add under the
rafters.

--
Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies."

In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

A Daily Express headline? The Express taking an opportunity to **** off
its readers with more bad "news"? Nawwwww!

OTOH: "A mild winter is forecast for Europe" -
http://uk.weather.com/partners-winter/mild

-- Mind, that's Europe, and as any fule know, the UK isn't part of
Europe Proper (weatherwise of course) - we're more part of the Island of
Rockall if you ask me.

Oh and BTW -- "a mild winter" of course means that instead of the
precipitation falling, and going, relatively gently as snow, it will
**** down.

John

harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

Minus 20 is not unusual on high ground anyway.
I saw it several times at my last house.

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold
air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

Ah that explains it !

So that's why all the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro is to be found on the
lower slopes and there are palm trees growing on the summit.


michael adams

....




--
.DarWin|
_/ _/

On 29/11/2012 11:11, michael adams wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold
air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

Ah that explains it !

So that's why all the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro is to be found on the
lower slopes and there are palm trees growing on the summit.


michael adams

....




--
.DarWin|
_/ _/


It does, however, help to explain RAF Benson's spectacularly low
temperatures.

--
Rod

In message , Nightjar
writes
On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell
Not round here they can't.
--
bert

In message , Nightjar
writes
On 29/11/2012 09:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/12 09:10, Nightjar wrote:
On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell

Well..yes and no.

As the above says, its all down to the jet stream.

And there are signs that from time to time the jetstream gets into a
stalled state and moves south, - it has been all year in fact.

THAT sort of thing in winter can mean weeks of Arctic airflow.

Think 1962/63
One can say that the odds on such an event this winter are much much
better than average.

But that is all it is possible to say; it is more probable. Claiming
that we will see the coldest winter in 100 years is sensationalist
nonsense.

Certainly its predicted to do just that in the next few days...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...etstream;sess=

I have read that this year it is behaving in a similar way to the way
it did in the winter of 2010.

Colin Bignell
It may well have done up to now but that is no guarantee that it will
continue to do so through til next spring.
--
bert

In message
,
Another John writes
In article ,
Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

A Daily Express headline? The Express taking an opportunity to **** off
its readers with more bad "news"? Nawwwww!

OTOH: "A mild winter is forecast for Europe" -
http://uk.weather.com/partners-winter/mild

-- Mind, that's Europe, and as any fule know, the UK isn't part of
Europe Proper (weatherwise of course) - we're more part of the Island of
Rockall if you ask me.

Oh and BTW -- "a mild winter" of course means that instead of the
precipitation falling, and going, relatively gently as snow, it will
**** down.

John
We are a small island on one side on the edge of a huge land mass and on
the other side a large ocean.
--
bert

"polygonum" wrote in message
...
On 29/11/2012 11:11, michael adams wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold
air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

Ah that explains it !

So that's why all the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro is to be found on
the
lower slopes and there are palm trees growing on the summit.


michael adams

....




--
.DarWin|
_/ _/


It does, however, help to explain RAF Benson's spectacularly low
temperatures.


But the person to whom Firth was responding with his
blanket generalisation and personal abuse (not that I find
the person in question undeserving of such abuse) wasn't
claiming to have been living in a frost pocket, but quite
possibly above the cloud layer.


michael adams

....



--
Rod

"michael adams" wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold
air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

Ah that explains it !

So that's why all the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro is to be found on the
lower slopes and there are palm trees growing on the summit.

It explains why the coldest place in Siberia is the basin of the Yana river
at -71°C. The summit of Kilimanjaro sometimes gets down to -14.

You could come back when you know what you are talking about and how to
format a reply to a usenet post. The silence would be refreshing.

--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:25:46 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Certainly its predicted to do just that in the next few days...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...etstream;sess=

That's handy and clearing up for a few days next week, just in time.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
"michael adams" wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold
air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

Ah that explains it !

So that's why all the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro is to be found on the
lower slopes and there are palm trees growing on the summit.

It explains why the coldest place in Siberia is the basin of the Yana
river
at -71°C. The summit of Kilimanjaro sometimes gets down to -14.

Siberia is situated on an entirely different latitude.

What you need to explain is why, if as you stated

"Steve Firth"
wrote in message
...


Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground

All the photographs seem to show plenty of snow on the summit of
Kilmanjaro
but none on the lower slopes or at the base.

Are you saying that all such photographs are faked ?


michael adams

On 29/11/12 12:41, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system,
thought that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately
more than two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten
days.

I was reading somewhere that to predict accurately out to a month would
require measuring temp, pressure, humidity, wind velocity on a one foot
grid over the surface of the whole planet and on a one foot vertical
grid out to the edge of space. Not exactly practical.

That is one way to tackle the problem: there are others of course. But
climate and weather scientists are not it seems engineers..




The problems of weather forecasting boil down to:

1) Measuring initial conditions (see above)

2) Having fast enough computers - it's no good being able to accurately
calculate tomorrow's weather if it takes two days from now to do it.

3) Having decent weather models.

Plenty of progress on (2) and (3).

No so much on 3.


--
Ineptocracy

(in-ep-toc-ra-cy) €“ a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

On 29/11/2012 11:21, bert wrote:
In message , Nightjar
writes
On 29/11/2012 09:25, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/12 09:10, Nightjar wrote:
On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell

Well..yes and no.

As the above says, its all down to the jet stream.

And there are signs that from time to time the jetstream gets into a
stalled state and moves south, - it has been all year in fact.

THAT sort of thing in winter can mean weeks of Arctic airflow.

Think 1962/63
One can say that the odds on such an event this winter are much much
better than average.

But that is all it is possible to say; it is more probable. Claiming
that we will see the coldest winter in 100 years is sensationalist
nonsense.

Certainly its predicted to do just that in the next few days...

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...etstream;sess=

I have read that this year it is behaving in a similar way to the way
it did in the winter of 2010.

Colin Bignell
It may well have done up to now but that is no guarantee that it will
continue to do so through til next spring.

Indeed, but it does tend to be a fairly stable system, so the prediction
that this winter will be colder than average is not improbable. As I
plan to visit the Black Forest and North Wales (not on the same trip)
over the winter, I am getting prepared for a cold winter with snow, just
in case.

Colin Bignell

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 02:19:23 +0000, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:

Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

They have a long history of this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudso...st-winte.shtml


--

"michael adams" wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...
"michael adams" wrote:
"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold
air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

Ah that explains it !

So that's why all the snow on Mount Kilimanjaro is to be found on the
lower slopes and there are palm trees growing on the summit.

It explains why the coldest place in Siberia is the basin of the Yana
river
at -71°C. The summit of Kilimanjaro sometimes gets down to -14.

Siberia is situated on an entirely different latitude.

And the Yana river basin is colder than the rest if Siberia which is at a
higher latitude.

What you need to explain

No, I don't need to explain anything. You're wrong again. I may choose to
explain or I may choose not to explain. However I don't owe you anything,
not even the time of day.


is why, if as you stated

[snip]

Yes I know what I said and I'm not disputing what I said, only a ****wit
would feel the need to repost it.

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground

Note the use of a relative expression.

All the photographs seem to show plenty of snow on the summit of
Kilmanjaro
but none on the lower slopes or at the base.

Yes it's astonishing that a volcano in the tropics could be colder at the
top than at the base. To you, at least. Perhaps you ought to re-read what
I wrote and not what you think I wrote?

Just a friendly suggestion, like. Since at no point have I stated that a
lower altitude is always colder than a higher one. Indeed lower altitudes
are also the hottest places on earth as well as some of the coldest.

Perhaps you can try and get your head around that and take your ****ing
contest elsewhere?

Are you saying that all such photographs are faked ?

Are you saying that you are an idiot?

michael adams

Yeah, right.

--
€¢DarWin|
_/ _/

On Nov 29, 11:01*am, Steve Firth wrote:
harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. *No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

Minus 20 is not unusual on high ground anyway.
I saw it several times at my last house.

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

--
•DarWin|
*_/ * *_/

I drove down Glen Etive a few winters back in brilliant winter
conditions. The car thermometer was reading -15C. There was quite a
wind coming down the glen making a significant chill factor. About
500 ft up the hill the wind was going the opposite direction - the
cold air was flowing down the lowest ground off Rannoch Moor and the
mountains, and a counter flow was occurring higher up.

Rob

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:14:14 +0000, Broadback wrote:

On 29/11/2012 09:10, Nightjar wrote:
On 29/11/2012 02:19, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.


Reputable forecasters are saying that it will probably be colder than
average, due to how the jet stream is behaving this year. They are not
saying how much colder.

Edward Lorenz, who discovered that weather is a chaotic system, thought
that it would never be possible to predict weather accurately more than
two weeks ahead. Current models can achieve up to about ten days.

Colin Bignell
The Express regularly give "extreme" weather forecasts, like the experts
using seaweed they are sometimes correct, but not that often I notice. I
must admit I only briefly glance at their front pages when in a
newsagents. Mind you it does not matter as the world is due to end on
the 21st of December, or so I understand.

MSM has signed up to only report weather stories that confirm man made
climate change. Unfortunately this has had the effect of making such
stories even less reliable than they were 20 years ago, as the Met Office
found to their cost.

On Nov 29, 10:39*am, Tim Watts wrote:
harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100
years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. *No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

They cannot forecast precipitation 12 hours ahead around here.

2 years ago it was a spectacular winter - proper snow in December and
January. Last year it was average.

This year I will have 3/4 of my insulation in place so I will be interested
in seeing how it performs whne deciding how much I will add under the
rafters.

You can't have too much insulation.

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
...

"michael adams" wrote:

Yes it's astonishing that a volcano in the tropics could be colder
at the
top than at the base. To you, at least. Perhaps you ought to
re-read what
I wrote

and not what you think I wrote?

I know exactly what you wrote -

"Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground "

And what you didn't write -

"Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground except for
instance
in the case of volcanos in the tropics"

Which is probably all ******** in any case.

Grimly for reasons which must be obvious, use to live on a mountain.

Here's how Mandy Barrow explains it to schoolchildren

quote

The main differences in climate of mountains are temperature and
moisture.

What is the climate like on mountains?

The temperature on mountains becomes colder the higher the altitude
gets.

http://www.chiddingstone.kent.sch.uk...ns/climate.htm

/quote

You can read the rest of it in your own time.


michael adams

....


.DarWin|
_/ _/

On Nov 29, 11:01*am, Steve Firth wrote:
harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. *No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

Minus 20 is not unusual on high ground anyway.
I saw it several times at my last house.

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

So why is iit often minus 40 deg at 30,000ft?
Ever wonder why it rains?
Or why we get cumulus clouds?
Or why there is often snow on hills and none below?
Ever heard of radiation frosts, dimwit?
Or lapse rate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapse_rate

You might read this as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foehn_wind

You are one ignorant ****er. Big mouth too.

On Nov 29, 2:20*pm, robgraham wrote:
On Nov 29, 11:01*am, Steve Firth wrote:









harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100 years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. *No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

Minus 20 is not unusual on high ground anyway.
I saw it several times at my last house.

Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground. Because cold air, like
your brains, runs to the lowest point.

--
•DarWin|
*_/ * *_/

I drove down Glen Etive a few winters back in brilliant winter
conditions. *The car thermometer *was reading -15C. *There was quite a
wind coming down the glen making a significant chill factor. *About
500 ft up the hill the wind was going the opposite direction - the
cold air was flowing down the lowest ground off Rannoch Moor and the
mountains, and a counter flow was occurring higher up.

Rob

Thermometers are not affected by chill factor. Only warm objects are
affected.
The effect you saw was rotor effect or vortex caused by the wind
blowing over a hill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex.

michael adams wrote:

"Steve Firth" wrote in message
-september
.org...

"michael adams" wrote:

Yes it's astonishing that a volcano in the tropics could be colder at
the top than at the base. To you, at least. Perhaps you ought to
re-read what I wrote

and not what you think I wrote?

I know exactly what you wrote -

"Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground "

Correct.

And what you didn't write -

"Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground except for
instance
in the case of volcanos in the tropics"

Indeed, I also didn't say that the surface of the sun is hotter than
your forehead. It also remains true. If you want to write reams about
what I didn't say, please feel to do so. I suspect however that the
majority of uk.d-i-y would rather that you wrote your lists of what
people didn't say somewhere else.

Like the surface of the sun or the top of Kilimanjaro for example.

You're a bit of a knob aren't you? And not an interesting bit, more like
a penile pustule or a genital wart. It's also obvious who you are.

BTW, I corrected your inability to format a usenet post, again.

harry wrote:

On Nov 29, 10:39 am, Tim Watts wrote:
harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100
years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

They cannot forecast precipitation 12 hours ahead around here.

2 years ago it was a spectacular winter - proper snow in December and
January. Last year it was average.

This year I will have 3/4 of my insulation in place so I will be
interested in seeing how it performs whne deciding how much I will add
under the rafters.

You can't have too much insulation.

Well yes - upto a point, where it either costs too much or I have a very
warm space for a hamster to live in.

I am aiming for 100mm celotex all over (75mm near the eaves as there is no
room to go under the rafters there) - which is 8" or so worth of wool, which
is about 2.5 times what this place had before.

Plus it will be nigh on airtight once we are done, which it was far from
before. The roofers are doing a fanstastic job of making the boards a *very*
tight fit (they have to virtually bang then in place) and they are foaming
all the fiddly bits.

I have managed to find some "proper" (heavy, very sticky) foil tape in 100mm
wide roles so I will tape over the rafters inside and 25mm onto the celotex
either side in the eaves area where I can get another layer in - apart for
helping reduce vapour transfer, that should sort out any final leaks - but
so far I have not noticed any.

--
Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://www.dionic.net/tim/

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

Broadback wrote:
The Express regularly give "extreme" weather forecasts, like the
experts using seaweed they are sometimes correct, but not that often
I notice. I must admit I only briefly glance at their front pages
when in a newsagents. Mind you it does not matter as the world is due
to end on the 21st of December, or so I understand.

Morning or afternoon? - only I might take half a day off to watch it live on
BBC News 24

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:42:29 -0000, "michael adams"
wrote:

"Low temperatures are more likely on low (er) ground except for
instance
in the case of volcanos in the tropics"

Which is probably all ******** in any case.

Grimly for reasons which must be obvious, use to live on a mountain.

Michael! Take your focking pills!

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:20:55 -0800 (PST), robgraham
wrote:

The car thermometer was reading -15C. There was quite a
wind coming down the glen making a significant chill factor.

Really? The car is human, is it?

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 00:17:03 -0800, harry wrote:
Minus 20 is not unusual on high ground anyway.

It was -21C here the other day. Wrap up to stay warm and just get on with
it.

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:37:21 +0000, The Other Mike
wrote:

Coldest winter for 100 years.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

They have a long history of this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudso...st-winte.shtml

I'm still staying in; ******** to that anyway.
It was too bleedin' cold to do anything in my workshop today, but
tomorrow or Sunday might be a go-er.

On Nov 29, 7:42*pm, Tim Watts wrote:
harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 10:39 am, Tim Watts wrote:
harry wrote:
On Nov 29, 2:19 am, Grimly Curmudgeon wrote:
Coldest winter for 100
years.http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/358717/358717

Might be ********.

Probably a bit of attention seeking. *No-one can forecast that far
ahead.

They cannot forecast precipitation 12 hours ahead around here.

2 years ago it was a spectacular winter - proper snow in December and
January. Last year it was average.

This year I will have 3/4 of my insulation in place so I will be
interested in seeing how it performs whne deciding how much I will add
under the rafters.

You can't have too much insulation.

Well yes - upto a point, where it either costs too much or I have a very
warm space for a hamster to live in.

I am aiming for 100mm celotex all over (75mm near the eaves as there is no
room to go under the rafters there) - which is 8" or so worth of wool, which
is about 2.5 times what this place had before.

Plus it will be nigh on airtight once we are done, which it was far from
before. The roofers are doing a fanstastic job of making the boards a *very*
tight fit (they have to virtually bang then in place) and they are foaming
all the fiddly bits.

I have managed to find some "proper" (heavy, very sticky) foil tape in 100mm
wide roles so I will tape over the rafters inside and 25mm onto the celotex
either side in the eaves area where I can get another layer in - apart for
helping reduce vapour transfer, that should sort out any final leaks - but
so far I have not noticed any.

--
Tim Watts * * * * * * * * Personal Blog:http://www.dionic..net/tim/

"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

Insulation won't warm a place up. It just reduces the energy needed to
do it.

On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:45:42 +0000, Tim Streater wrote:

No, it reduces the energy needed to *keep* it warm. The amount needed
to warm it up stays the same.

Ish, I doubt that stone/brick has the same heat capacity of insulation...
So to get the place steady state warm you will need more heat for a less
insulated place.


--
Cheers
Dave.