We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little machine
for browsing the web, reading mail etc. Works perfectly except when
rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat. Every little volt. Removing
the battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but
completely expired, which normally takes a couple of days. Then, with
the charger plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either
from battery or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for several
hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a couple of
years ago.

Any thoughts?
--
Graeme

On Apr 13, 2:06*pm, News wrote:
We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little machine
for browsing the web, reading mail etc. *Works perfectly except when
rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat. *Every little volt. *Removing
the battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but
completely expired, which normally takes a couple of days. *Then, with
the charger plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either
from battery or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for several
hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a couple of
years ago.

Any thoughts?

Maybe try an OS with more uptime I've no idea re the fault, best to
ask on sci.electronics.repair.

In message
, NT
writes
On Apr 13, 2:06*pm, News wrote:

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat. *Every little volt. *Removing
the battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but
completely expired, which normally takes a couple of days. *Then, with
the charger plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either
from battery or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

Maybe try an OS with more uptime

grin Perhaps strangely, uptime has never been a problem. The only
time I reboot is following installation of MS updates.

I've no idea re the fault, best to
ask on sci.electronics.repair.

OK, thanks.
--
Graeme

On Apr 13, 2:41*pm, News wrote:
In message
, NT
writes

On Apr 13, 2:06*pm, News wrote:

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat. *Every little volt. *Removing
the battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but
completely expired, which normally takes a couple of days. *Then, with
the charger plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either
from battery or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

Maybe try an OS with more uptime

grin *Perhaps strangely, uptime has never been a problem. *The only
time I reboot is following installation of MS updates.

I've no idea re the fault, best to
ask on sci.electronics.repair.

OK, thanks.

It sounds like uptime is one half of the problem. Frequent updates
result in downtime each time. Hopefully you've fixed it now, if not
though I'd simply switch off autoupdates if its not a security
critical machine, or if it is, try a few linux live CDs to see if
something more stable suits you. Mint 7 is a good replacement for xp,
and can happily keep running weeks at a time with a 2G swap partition
(the bigger the swap, the more uptime). Support has ended for 7, so no
updates, and seldom any reason to reboot.


NT

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:18:22 -0700 (PDT), NT
wrote:

On Apr 13, 2:06*pm, News wrote:
We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little machine
for browsing the web, reading mail etc. *Works perfectly except when
rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat. *Every little volt. *Removing
the battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but
completely expired, which normally takes a couple of days. *Then, with
the charger plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either
from battery or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for several
hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a couple of
years ago.

Any thoughts?

Maybe try an OS with more uptime I've no idea re the fault, best to
ask on sci.electronics.repair.


A little more infomation perhaps?
Anything on the screen, does it do the initial POST, any error
messages?

--
Graham.
%Profound_observation%

In message , Graham.
writes
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:18:22 -0700 (PDT), NT
wrote:

Maybe try an OS with more uptime I've no idea re the fault, best to
ask on sci.electronics.repair.

A little more infomation perhaps?
Anything on the screen, does it do the initial POST, any error
messages?

Sorry. Absolutely nothing. The power light comes on, but the screen
does not react. No messages, no beeps, nothing.
--
Graeme

News wrote:
In message , Graham.
writes
On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:18:22 -0700 (PDT), NT
wrote:

Maybe try an OS with more uptime I've no idea re the fault, best to
ask on sci.electronics.repair.

A little more infomation perhaps?
Anything on the screen, does it do the initial POST, any error
messages?

Sorry. Absolutely nothing. The power light comes on, but the screen does
not react. No messages, no beeps, nothing.

Personally I dunno. Apparently others have gotten their units to boot
by freezing them (in a real freezer) before booting up.

This looks interesting from
http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...t-492391.html:

" Toshiba NB200 won't boot
I have found a fix for this. I do computer repair for a living and have now
repaired two nb200's with this fault. Here's how:

1) Get the computer to post and boot. There's a few ways to do this if it will NEVER post. You can leave the computer
off for around 2 months. I had one which never posted no matter what I tried. After leaving it sit around for about 2
months, I tried again and it posted and booted, but once it warmed up again it wouldn't post again. You can also try
putting it in your car overnight to cool it down, or lastly you can try the freezer trick. Once you have it booted to
windows, DON'T restart or power down as it may not post again.

2) Download the latest BIOS update for your NB200 which is v2.1. Make sure it's for the correct part number which can be
found on the back of your nb200.

3) Connect your power lead and make sure the nb200 has at least 50% charge.

4) Install the v2.1 BIOS update.

Both nb200's I have repaired like this would only post intermittently before this v2.1 BIOS update. As I mentioned, 1 of
them wouldn't post at all for two months. Both nb200's were initially running the v1.2 BIOS. Immediately after this v2.1
update, both nb200's post and boot every time, even when i have left them running near a heater in a hot room. Basically
fixed.

You can find out what BIOS version you have on the main page of the BIOS setup screen.

So, get it to boot, and flash to the latest bios update."



--Winston

In message , Winston
writes

This looks interesting from
http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...wont-boot-4923
91.html:

Thanks for that. Yes, I followed that advice, upgraded the BIOS and it
has behaved perfectly since then.

Cheers,
--
Graeme

On 13/04/2012 14:06, News wrote:

We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little machine
for browsing the web, reading mail etc. Works perfectly except when
rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat. Every little volt. Removing
the battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but
completely expired, which normally takes a couple of days. Then, with
the charger plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either
from battery or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for several
hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a couple of
years ago.

Any thoughts?
Have you tried turning off suspend?

In message , Chris Bartram
writes
On 13/04/2012 14:06, News wrote:

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat.

Have you tried turning off suspend?

Hmm. Interesting thought. I'll try.
--
Graeme

I don't know much about these machines, but I wonder if its got some problem
with memory that gets corrupted when it reboots?

Is there any way on these machines to get into a bios or boot menu?
Brian

--
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graphics are great, but the blind can't hear them
Email:
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"News" wrote in message
...

We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little machine
for browsing the web, reading mail etc. Works perfectly except when
rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery has
run down, and I mean completely flat. Every little volt. Removing the
battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but completely
expired, which normally takes a couple of days. Then, with the charger
plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either from battery
or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for several
hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a couple of years
ago.

Any thoughts?
--
Graeme

In message , Brian Gaff
writes
I don't know much about these machines, but I wonder if its got some problem
with memory that gets corrupted when it reboots?

Is there any way on these machines to get into a bios or boot menu?

I'll see, when the battery has completely discharged, and I can start it
again!

Downloaded MS updates around 8-ish yesterday morning, and still waiting
for the battery to go completely flat.
--
Graeme

On 13/04/2012 14:42, News wrote:
In message , Brian Gaff
writes
I don't know much about these machines, but I wonder if its got some
problem
with memory that gets corrupted when it reboots?

Is there any way on these machines to get into a bios or boot menu?

I'll see, when the battery has completely discharged, and I can start it
again!

Downloaded MS updates around 8-ish yesterday morning, and still waiting
for the battery to go completely flat.

Have you tried ensuring it is really "off" rather than sitting in a low
power suspended state?

Push and hold its power button for 10 secs. Then release, and press again.

--
Cheers,

John.

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In message , John
Rumm writes
On 13/04/2012 14:42, News wrote:

Downloaded MS updates around 8-ish yesterday morning, and still waiting
for the battery to go completely flat.

Have you tried ensuring it is really "off" rather than sitting in a low
power suspended state?

Push and hold its power button for 10 secs. Then release, and press again.

Thanks John. I've tried that, but no change. It does this every time I
shut it down. Will restart perfectly normally once the battery is
completely discharged which takes days. Not enough power to run it, but
just enough to be detected, I suppose. Very strange.
--
Graeme

News wrote:
In message , John
Rumm writes
On 13/04/2012 14:42, News wrote:

Downloaded MS updates around 8-ish yesterday morning, and still waiting
for the battery to go completely flat.

Have you tried ensuring it is really "off" rather than sitting in a
low power suspended state?

Push and hold its power button for 10 secs. Then release, and press
again.

Thanks John. I've tried that, but no change. It does this every time I
shut it down. Will restart perfectly normally once the battery is
completely discharged which takes days. Not enough power to run it, but
just enough to be detected, I suppose. Very strange.

Have you seen this thread? :-

http://www.techsupportforum.com/foru...-492391-2.html

A way to simulate a completely flat battery is to remove the main
battery and disconnect the mains adaptor, then turn the machine on, and
when it tries and fails to boot using the RTC battery, it acts as if the
main battery has been completely flat when it is reconnected.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

"News" wrote in message
...
In message , John Rumm
writes
On 13/04/2012 14:42, News wrote:

Downloaded MS updates around 8-ish yesterday morning, and still waiting
for the battery to go completely flat.

Have you tried ensuring it is really "off" rather than sitting in a low
power suspended state?

Push and hold its power button for 10 secs. Then release, and press again.

Thanks John. I've tried that, but no change. It does this every time I
shut it down. Will restart perfectly normally once the battery is
completely discharged which takes days. Not enough power to run it, but
just enough to be detected, I suppose. Very strange.

Toshiba must have something to say about it.

Brian Gaff wrote

I don't know much about these machines, but I wonder if its got some
problem with memory that gets corrupted when it reboots?

Doesn't explain why removing the battery doesn't fix that.

Is there any way on these machines to get into a bios or boot menu?

"News" wrote in message
...

We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little machine
for browsing the web, reading mail etc. Works perfectly except when
rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery has
run down, and I mean completely flat. Every little volt. Removing the
battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but completely
expired, which normally takes a couple of days. Then, with the charger
plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either from battery
or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for several
hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a couple of years
ago.

Any thoughts?
--
Graeme

On 13/04/2012 14:06, News wrote:

We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little
machine for browsing the web, reading mail etc. Works perfectly
except when rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery
has run down, and I mean completely flat. Every little volt.
Removing the battery does not help - the battery has to be in place,
but completely expired, which normally takes a couple of days. Then,
with the charger plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly,
either from battery or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for
several hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a
couple of years ago.

Any thoughts?


1.Turn off, remove battery and power supply.
2.Press and hold the power button for 30+ seconds.
3.Insert battery and power cord, boot netbook.

--
"I'm not the messiah!"
I say you are Lord.
And I should know, I've followed a few !

In message , Nitro®
writes
On 13/04/2012 14:06, News wrote:

Any thoughts?

1.Turn off, remove battery and power supply.
2.Press and hold the power button for 30+ seconds.
3.Insert battery and power cord, boot netbook.

Nothing. Tried holding the power button for 50 seconds the first time,
then two minutes the second time. No change :-(
--
Graeme

On 13/04/2012 18:55, News wrote:
In message , Nitro®
writes
On 13/04/2012 14:06, News wrote:

Any thoughts?

1.Turn off, remove battery and power supply.
2.Press and hold the power button for 30+ seconds.
3.Insert battery and power cord, boot netbook.

Nothing. Tried holding the power button for 50 seconds the first time,
then two minutes the second time. No change :-(


It ought only take 5 or 6 to force a machine to "off"

--
Cheers,

John.

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"News" wrote in message
...

We have a little net book, running XP, and it is a lovely little machine
for browsing the web, reading mail etc. Works perfectly except when
rebooted, which I only do after MS updates.

When shut down, for any reason, it will not restart until the battery has
run down, and I mean completely flat. Every little volt. Removing the
battery does not help - the battery has to be in place, but completely
expired, which normally takes a couple of days. Then, with the charger
plugged in, it will boot normally and run perfectly, either from battery
or mains until the next upgrade/shut down.

The battery itself seems to be OK - it will run the machine for several
hours, which is all it managed when the machine was new a couple of years
ago.

Any thoughts?


Buy a second battery and keep it flat?

--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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