I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.

So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is mostly tax, they
must be making a hell of a profit on this paraffin.

It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

On 05/04/2012 08:04, harry wrote:
I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.

So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is mostly tax, they
must be making a hell of a profit on this paraffin.

It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

Filling stations make more profit on what people buy in the shop than on
the fuel they buy. It also doesn't come in a container, which has to be
paid for, nor does it occupy retail shelf space, which, in any large
store, has to achieve a certain income per metre run and products that
don't are simply not sold.

Colin Bignell

On Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:57:39 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

On 05/04/2012 08:04, harry wrote:
I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print ha
ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel? But
when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.

So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is mostly tax, they
must be making a hell of a profit on this paraffin.

It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

Filling stations make more profit on what people buy in the shop than on
the fuel they buy.

Which is why self-service pay-at-pump is rare outside the big
supermarkets (where it'sa godsend).

harry wrote:
I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.

I'm sure there must be some kind of law of economics here, that anything
that can be put in a car always ends up the same price as diesel. It
happened with cooking oil... it used to be 50p/litre until people caught on
about using it for fuel, now it's 1.40ish a litre.

Theo

"Theo Markettos" wrote in message
news
harry wrote:
I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.

I'm sure there must be some kind of law of economics here, that anything
that can be put in a car always ends up the same price as diesel. It
happened with cooking oil... it used to be 50p/litre until people caught
on
about using it for fuel, now it's 1.40ish a litre.

And there is no duty on that so someone really is profiteering.


Theo

dennis@home wrote:


"Theo Markettos" wrote in message
news
I'm sure there must be some kind of law of economics here, that anything
that can be put in a car always ends up the same price as diesel. It
happened with cooking oil... it used to be 50p/litre until people
caught on about using it for fuel, now it's 1.40ish a litre.

And there is no duty on that so someone really is profiteering.

Supply and demand. At 50p a litre, Tesco's stocks would be gone in a flash.
The same goes for producers and wholesalers. They can't grow it any faster,
so the price goes up. At 1.50 a litre there's no point using it as fuel,
and so there's some left on the shelf to fry our chips instead.

Theo

Theo Markettos wrote
dennis@home wrote
Theo Markettos wrote

I'm sure there must be some kind of law of economics here, that
anything that can be put in a car always ends up the same price as
diesel. It happened with cooking oil... it used to be 50p/litre until
people caught on about using it for fuel, now it's 1.40ish a litre.

And there is no duty on that so someone really is profiteering.

Supply and demand. At 50p a litre, Tesco's stocks would be gone in a flash.
The same goes for producers and wholesalers. They can't grow it any faster,

They can however grow a lot more of it.

so the price goes up. At 1.50 a litre there's no point using it as
fuel, and so there's some left on the shelf to fry our chips instead.

Doesnt explain why that hasnt happened to the price world wide.

In message , Rod Speed
writes
Theo Markettos wrote
dennis@home wrote
Theo Markettos wrote

I'm sure there must be some kind of law of economics here, that
anything that can be put in a car always ends up the same price as
diesel. It happened with cooking oil... it used to be 50p/litre until
people caught on about using it for fuel, now it's 1.40ish a litre.

And there is no duty on that so someone really is profiteering.

Supply and demand. At 50p a litre, Tesco's stocks would be gone in a flash.
The same goes for producers and wholesalers. They can't grow it any faster,

They can however grow a lot more of it.

Not really. You either displace some other saleable crop or knock down
more rain forest. Oil seed rape is probably only grown once in a five
year rotation.

so the price goes up. At 1.50 a litre there's no point using it as
fuel, and so there's some left on the shelf to fry our chips instead.

Doesnt explain why that hasnt happened to the price world wide.

Not everybody charges what we do for fuel.

regards



--
Tim Lamb

On Apr 5, 8:14*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:

so the price goes up. *At 1.50 a litre there's no point using it as
fuel, and so there's some left on the shelf to fry our chips instead.

Doesnt explain why that hasnt happened to the price world wide.

They have to erase hundreds of square miles of rain forest to keep up
with the demand. The problem with that is well known:
Until the geography can react by producing drought, the soil is washed
away in the wet season and the land become unproductive.

Fortunately, nobody ever went broke forest stripping.
And there is still some left.

In message , Tim
Streater writes
In article
,
harry wrote:

I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.
So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is mostly tax,
they
must be making a hell of a profit on this paraffin.
It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

Required for garden weed control flame wands as well.

Turnover will be (comparatively) low for that stuff.

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted in
*on road* vehicles:-)

regards


--
Tim Lamb

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim
Streater writes
In article
,
harry wrote:

I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.
So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is mostly tax, they
must be making a hell of a profit on this paraffin.
It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

Required for garden weed control flame wands as well.

Turnover will be (comparatively) low for that stuff.

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted in
*on road* vehicles:-)


I know a couple of people thinks it is.

"harryagain" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted in
*on road* vehicles:-)


I know a couple of people thinks it is.


It probably can be legal if you pay the correct tax.
How you then remove the markers is a bit more problematic.

On 05/04/2012 13:35, dennis@home wrote:


"harryagain" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted
in *on road* vehicles:-)


I know a couple of people thinks it is.


It probably can be legal if you pay the correct tax.
How you then remove the markers is a bit more problematic.

If you can show you have paid the duty, why remove the markers?

--
Cheers,

John.

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On Apr 12, 6:58*pm, John Rumm wrote:
On 05/04/2012 13:35, dennis@home wrote:



"harryagain" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted
in *on road* vehicles:-)

I know a couple of people thinks it is.

It probably can be legal if you pay the correct tax.
How you then remove the markers is a bit more problematic.

If you can show you have paid the duty, why remove the markers?



That is easily done. Activated carbon. The IRA was doing it.
http://www.independent.ie/national-n...ff-291240.html

In fact there are gadgets advertised on the internet for doing it I
have just discovered.

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
On 05/04/2012 13:35, dennis@home wrote:


"harryagain" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted
in *on road* vehicles:-)


I know a couple of people thinks it is.


It probably can be legal if you pay the correct tax.
How you then remove the markers is a bit more problematic.

If you can show you have paid the duty, why remove the markers?

Because it is possible to detect the markers in the exhaust and you don't
want to get pulled over and waste time.

On Thu, 5 Apr 2012 09:50:35 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote:

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted in
*on road* vehicles:-)

Well you know when that will happen don't you? When the rebated duty
has risen to the same level as the road duty.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message , Tim Lamb
writes
In message , Tim
Streater writes
In article
,
harry wrote:

I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.
So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is mostly tax,
they
must be making a hell of a profit on this paraffin.
It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

Required for garden weed control flame wands as well.

Turnover will be (comparatively) low for that stuff.

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted
in *on road* vehicles:-)

regards


Sounds like another half baked idea from this government. Don't they
realise that once it's done it can't be undone?
--
hugh

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim
Streater writes
In article
,
harry wrote:

I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small print
ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.
I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as diesel.
So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is mostly tax, they
must be making a hell of a profit on this paraffin.
It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

Required for garden weed control flame wands as well.

Turnover will be (comparatively) low for that stuff.

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted in
*on road* vehicles:-)

I'm looking forward to the time when all diesel is banned from *on road*
vehicles. Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution as
well.

Doctor Drivel wrote
Tim Lamb wrote
Tim Streater wrote
harry wrote

I was in B&Q the other day and I came across (4litre in small
print ha ha) plastic cans of paraffin.

I suddenly thought aha, one could use that to eke out the diesel?
But when I divided the cost by four is was the same price as
diesel. So, as we all know, the cost of diesel (road fuel) is
mostly tax, they must be making a hell of a profit on this
paraffin. It was in the gardening bit for greenhouse heaters BTW.

Required for garden weed control flame wands as well.

Turnover will be (comparatively) low for that stuff.

I'm looking forward to the time when agricultural diesel is permitted in *on road* vehicles:-)

I'm looking forward to the time when all diesel is banned from *on road* vehicles.

Taint gunna happen, essentially because it does provide the best mpg
and is one of the few fuels thats trivially easy to grow and is very easy
to produce from a wide variety of ag waste rather more easily than
alcohol and is one of the easiest fuels to use in unmodified engines.

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution as well.

Not with the best diesel engines it doesnt.

On Apr 7, 7:41*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution.

Not with the best diesel engines.

The main problem is that people pay no attention to the valves. They
need de-coking very often compared to a modern petrol engine.

In article
,
Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 7, 7:41 pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution.

Not with the best diesel engines.

The main problem is that people pay no attention to the valves. They
need de-coking very often compared to a modern petrol engine.

very often? I've done 106k miles and did similar on a previous diesel.
Never had that sort of problem.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

Weatherlawyer wrote
Rod Speed wrote

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution.

Not with the best diesel engines.

The main problem is that people pay no attention to the valves. They
need de-coking very often compared to a modern petrol engine.

Dont agree with that with modern high performance diesel car engines.

And thats not noise pollution anyway.

On Apr 7, 11:22*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 7, 7:41*pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:



Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution.

Not with the best diesel engines.

The main problem is that people pay no attention to the valves. They
need de-coking very often compared to a modern petrol engine.

BS. Smoky diesel engines are
A cold.
B need new injectors.

Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Apr 7, 7:41 pm, "Rod Speed" wrote:

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution.

Not with the best diesel engines.

The main problem is that people pay no attention to the valves. They
need de-coking very often compared to a modern petrol engine.

To get the level of cleanliness and performance of petrol engines a diesel
becomes very heavy and complicated. Horrid things!!!

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the time when all diesel is banned from *on road*
vehicles.

Taint gunna happen,

It will.

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution as well.

Not with the best diesel engines it doesnt.

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution as well.

Doctor Drivel drivelled, as always
Rod Speed wrote
Doctor Drivel drivelled, as always

I'm looking forward to the time when all
diesel is banned from *on road* vehicles.

Taint gunna happen,

It will.

Not a chance.

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution as well.

Not with the best diesel engines it doesnt.

Horrible filthy stuff that creates lots of noise pollution as well.

Record's stuck, as always.