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Our water companies don't think we're soggy. They have to be the single most incompetent shower of useless people on the planet. A drought in the UK, a bloody ISLAND!!!! [Shakes head in disbelief]

If I lived down there, I'd leave the tap running 24/7 to teach them a lesson.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:19:52 -0000, Tim Streater wrote:

In article op.wa2dmdu6ytk5n5@i7-940, "Lieutenant Scott"
wrote:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html

Our water companies don't think we're soggy.


Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great
British public is somewhat resistant to water meters (all houses should
have them).


No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for life, you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need. Secondly, despite the ****e the water companies are telling us, we do not have a drought. In comparison with our usually soaking wet conditions maybe, but in comparison with the rest of the world, no. There is LOADS of water in the UK. The water boards are just rubbish at moving it around.

They have to be the single most
incompetent shower of useless people on the planet. A drought in the UK, a
bloody ISLAND!!!! [Shakes head in disbelief]


What'sits being an island to do with it.


The further you are from the ocean, the less rainfall you get.

If I lived down there, I'd leave the tap running 24/7 to teach them a lesson.


See above about water meters.


What?

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I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.
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In article op.wa2dmdu6ytk5n5@i7-940, "Lieutenant Scott"
wrote:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html

Our water companies don't think we're soggy.


Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great
British public is somewhat resistant to water meters (all houses should
have them).

They have to be the single most incompetent shower of useless people on
the planet. A drought in the UK, a bloody ISLAND!!!! [Shakes head in
disbelief]


What'sits being an island to do with it.

If I lived down there, I'd leave the tap running 24/7 to teach them a
lesson.


See above about water meters.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:40 -0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.


Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:19:52 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote:


In article op.wa2dmdu6ytk5n5@i7-940, "Lieutenant Scott"
wrote:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html

Our water companies don't think we're soggy.


Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great
British public is somewhat resistant to water meters (all houses should
have them).


No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for life,
you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.


All the more reason to meter a resource that people might otherwise be
tempted to squander. (The average person probably uses 100 times more
water - directly in his house - than he actually needs to live.)

What'sits being an island to do with it.


The further you are from the ocean, the less rainfall you get.


You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to import it via
ships).

We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain (and therefore
don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping water all over the
country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we
have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.


Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.


How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:19:52 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote:


In article op.wa2dmdu6ytk5n5@i7-940, "Lieutenant Scott"
wrote:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html

Our water companies don't think we're soggy.

Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great
British public is somewhat resistant to water meters (all houses should
have them).


No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for life,
you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.


All the more reason to meter a resource that people might otherwise be
tempted to squander. (The average person probably uses 100 times more
water - directly in his house - than he actually needs to live.)


That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This has to be about the wettest country in the world.

What'sits being an island to do with it.


The further you are from the ocean, the less rainfall you get.


You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to import it via
ships).

We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain (and therefore
don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping water all over the
country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.


It's not like we pay much for water compared to electrocity and gas. I pay 161.92 a YEAR for water.

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"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
wrote:

I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we
have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.


Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.


How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?


Well what ever it is it wasn't too much for them.

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"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:19:52 -0000, Tim Streater
wrote:


In article op.wa2dmdu6ytk5n5@i7-940, "Lieutenant Scott"
wrote:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html

Our water companies don't think we're soggy.

Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great
British public is somewhat resistant to water meters (all houses should
have them).

No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for life,
you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.


All the more reason to meter a resource that people might otherwise be
tempted to squander. (The average person probably uses 100 times more
water - directly in his house - than he actually needs to live.)


That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This has to
be about the wettest country in the world.


So why are they running out in the South-east?

What'sits being an island to do with it.

The further you are from the ocean, the less rainfall you get.


You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to import it
via
ships).

We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain (and
therefore
don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping water all over
the
country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.


It's not like we pay much for water compared to electrocity and gas. I
pay 161.92 a YEAR for water.


I used to pay 440 a year, that was for just me in the house, and I was away
half the time. Now I pay much less with a meter.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:19:52 -0000, Tim Streater
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In article op.wa2dmdu6ytk5n5@i7-940, "Lieutenant Scott"
wrote:



Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great
British public is somewhat resistant to water meters (all houses should
have them).

No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for life,
you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.

All the more reason to meter a resource that people might otherwise be
tempted to squander. (The average person probably uses 100 times more
water - directly in his house - than he actually needs to live.)


That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This has to
be about the wettest country in the world.


So why are they running out in the South-east?


Incompetence.

What'sits being an island to do with it.

The further you are from the ocean, the less rainfall you get.

You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to import it
via
ships).

We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain (and
therefore
don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping water all over
the
country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.


It's not like we pay much for water compared to electrocity and gas. I
pay 161.92 a YEAR for water.


I used to pay 440 a year, that was for just me in the house, and I was away
half the time. Now I pay much less with a meter.


I'm not on a meter. But then Scotland has a LOT of water. Even incompetent water boards can get enough of it.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:40 -0000, Brian Gaff

wrote:

I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we
have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working
to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing
power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.

Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.


How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?


Well what ever it is it wasn't too much for them.


It might be too much for us if it's going to be several times the 1-5 per
cubic metre that we pay now.

In a desert country, especially an oil-rich one, paying more for that for
water may be a necessity.


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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:28:40 -0000, BartC wrote:

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"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:40 -0000, Brian Gaff

wrote:

I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we
have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working
to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing
power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.

Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.

How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?


Well what ever it is it wasn't too much for them.


It might be too much for us if it's going to be several times the 1-5 per
cubic metre that we pay now.

In a desert country, especially an oil-rich one, paying more for that for
water may be a necessity.


I wonder how much they use? I bet they got fountains. Mind you they could be run on salt water.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:19:52 -0000, Tim Streater
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In article op.wa2dmdu6ytk5n5@i7-940, "Lieutenant Scott"
wrote:



Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because
the great British public is somewhat resistant to water meters
(all houses should have them).

No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for
life, you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.

All the more reason to meter a resource that people might
otherwise be tempted to squander. (The average person probably
uses 100 times more water - directly in his house - than he
actually needs to live.)

That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This
has to be about the wettest country in the world.


So why are they running out in the South-east?


Incompetence.

What'sits being an island to do with it.

The further you are from the ocean, the less rainfall you get.

You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to
import it via
ships).

We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain (and
therefore
don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping water all
over the
country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.

It's not like we pay much for water compared to electrocity and
gas. I pay 161.92 a YEAR for water.


I used to pay 440 a year, that was for just me in the house, and I
was away half the time. Now I pay much less with a meter.


I'm not on a meter. But then Scotland has a LOT of water. Even
incompetent water boards can get enough of it.


Crying shame that it's wasted on idiot loo tenants.


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So why are they running out in the South-east?


because it's been very dry for the last couple of years. Ask my wife,
she's the gardener. And then they keep building more houses.

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That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This has to
be about the wettest country in the world.


The UK is the 74th wettest country in the world, with on average about
half the rainfall of Australia. We even get less rain than Germany.


So why are they running out in the South-east?


Incompetence.

Not entirely. The number of litres of rain falling *per person* in the
South East of England is about the same as it is in Israel.

http://www.bestcountryreports.com/Pr...%20Kingdom.php

http://www.bestcountryreports.com/Pr...Map_Israel.php

Both maps use the same colours for the same actual rainfall. The South
East of England is more densely populated than Israel, so the bands for
rainfall per person are one paler on Israel than they would be in the UK.

The age of the water mains doesn't help, with the latest estimates still
showing about 20% of the water in London never getting to the consumers'
taps, but that's more due to lack of investment by the government over
the last five or six decades than the incomepetence of the water boards.
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:35:33 -0000, Richard wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:22:24 -0000, BartC wrote:

"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:30:36 -0000, BartC wrote:

"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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All the more reason to meter a resource that people might
otherwise be tempted to squander. (The average person probably
uses 100 times more water - directly in his house - than he
actually needs to live.)

That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This
has to be about the wettest country in the world.

So why are they running out in the South-east?


Incompetence.



You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to
import it via
ships).

We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain (and
therefore
don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping water all
over the
country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.

It's not like we pay much for water compared to electrocity and
gas. I pay 161.92 a YEAR for water.

I used to pay 440 a year, that was for just me in the house, and I
was away half the time. Now I pay much less with a meter.


I'm not on a meter. But then Scotland has a LOT of water. Even
incompetent water boards can get enough of it.


Crying shame that it's wasted on idiot loo tenants.


Ooooh aren't you clever, you split a word into two!!!! We'll let you read the books without the pictures in soon.

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:48:51 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:22:24 -0000, BartC wrote:

"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message

That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This has to
be about the wettest country in the world.


The UK is the 74th wettest country in the world, with on average about
half the rainfall of Australia. We even get less rain than Germany.


I find it hard to believe Australia is wetter than here.

So why are they running out in the South-east?


Incompetence.

Not entirely. The number of litres of rain falling *per person* in the
South East of England is about the same as it is in Israel.

http://www.bestcountryreports.com/Pr...%20Kingdom.php

http://www.bestcountryreports.com/Pr...Map_Israel.php

Both maps use the same colours for the same actual rainfall. The South
East of England is more densely populated than Israel, so the bands for
rainfall per person are one paler on Israel than they would be in the UK.

The age of the water mains doesn't help, with the latest estimates still
showing about 20% of the water in London never getting to the consumers'
taps, but that's more due to lack of investment by the government over
the last five or six decades than the incomepetence of the water boards.


Also most water does not go through dams. We must be using a very small proportion of the water that rains.

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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:22:24 -0000, BartC wrote:

"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:30:36 -0000, BartC wrote:

"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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All the more reason to meter a resource that people might
otherwise be tempted to squander. (The average person probably
uses 100 times more water - directly in his house - than he
actually needs to live.)

That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This
has to be about the wettest country in the world.

So why are they running out in the South-east?

Incompetence.



You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to
import it via
ships).

We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain
(and therefore
don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping water
all over the
country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.

It's not like we pay much for water compared to electrocity and
gas. I pay 161.92 a YEAR for water.

I used to pay 440 a year, that was for just me in the house, and I
was away half the time. Now I pay much less with a meter.

I'm not on a meter. But then Scotland has a LOT of water. Even
incompetent water boards can get enough of it.


Crying shame that it's wasted on idiot loo tenants.


Ooooh aren't you clever, you split a word into two!!!! We'll let you
read the books without the pictures in soon.


Please don't send me your old one's, they'll be covered in drool.


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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
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Lieutenant Scott wrote:
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So why are they running out in the South-east?

Incompetence.




I used to pay 440 a year, that was for just me in the house, and I
was away half the time. Now I pay much less with a meter.

I'm not on a meter. But then Scotland has a LOT of water. Even
incompetent water boards can get enough of it.

Crying shame that it's wasted on idiot loo tenants.


Ooooh aren't you clever, you split a word into two!!!! We'll let you
read the books without the pictures in soon.


Please don't send me your old one's, they'll be covered in drool.


That's not drool.


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The UK is the 74th wettest country in the world, with on average about
half the rainfall of Australia. We even get less rain than Germany.


I find it hard to believe Australia is wetter than here.

1,304mm per year in Canberra, and 762mm per year in London. (1931 - 1960
averages)

Obviously some bits of the UK are wetter, but it's not much over 1500mm
per year, even in the lake district.

Snip
The age of the water mains doesn't help, with the latest estimates still
showing about 20% of the water in London never getting to the consumers'
taps, but that's more due to lack of investment by the government over
the last five or six decades than the incomepetence of the water boards.


Also most water does not go through dams. We must be using a very small
proportion of the water that rains.

It depends how you define use. Every gallon of Thames water gets used
(drunk and flushed down the drain or washed in, then repeat the cycle)
on average four times before it finally gets into the sea. Other parts
of the South East use boreholes, which tap into the water layer below
the London clay, so the water used is fossil water that fell on the
North and South Downs a few Centuries ago. Merseyside and Birmingham use
dams in Wales with Merseyside using the Lake District as well, the
Potteries area uses dams in the peak district, and Yorkshire's water
mainly comes from the Pennines by various routes.

Most water use in the UK, though, is for agriculture, and the vast
majority of that is rain directly onto the crops. You don't often see
irrigation being used, especially in comparison with parts of mainland
Europe.

The main problem with water supply and use in the UK is the vastly
disproportionate number of people living in the driest areas. About half
the population of the UK lives within 60 miles of Charing Cross.

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I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we
have
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working to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing
power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.


Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.


How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?

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Now I know where to put my thermonuclear device...



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"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
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I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we
have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them
working to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing
power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored
unlike electricity for the grid.

Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.


How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?

Don't let facts get in the way of a nice fantasy.


Why is it fantasy if they can do it?

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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:24:06 -0000, John Williamson wrote:

Lieutenant Scott wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 19:48:51 -0000, John Williamson
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The UK is the 74th wettest country in the world, with on average about
half the rainfall of Australia. We even get less rain than Germany.


I find it hard to believe Australia is wetter than here.

1,304mm per year in Canberra, and 762mm per year in London. (1931 - 1960
averages)

Obviously some bits of the UK are wetter, but it's not much over 1500mm
per year, even in the lake district.


Anyone who lives in Australia will tell you they get the sun all the time! Maybe their rain falls more easily and doesn't just hover like ours blotting out the light.

The age of the water mains doesn't help, with the latest estimates still
showing about 20% of the water in London never getting to the consumers'
taps, but that's more due to lack of investment by the government over
the last five or six decades than the incomepetence of the water boards.


Also most water does not go through dams. We must be using a very small
proportion of the water that rains.

It depends how you define use. Every gallon of Thames water gets used
(drunk and flushed down the drain or washed in, then repeat the cycle)
on average four times before it finally gets into the sea.


I heard it was seven.

Other parts
of the South East use boreholes, which tap into the water layer below
the London clay, so the water used is fossil water that fell on the
North and South Downs a few Centuries ago.


This is a crazy idea surely? Creating a big gap underground. And using something which is not available forever.

Merseyside and Birmingham use
dams in Wales with Merseyside using the Lake District as well, the
Potteries area uses dams in the peak district, and Yorkshire's water
mainly comes from the Pennines by various routes.

Most water use in the UK, though, is for agriculture, and the vast
majority of that is rain directly onto the crops. You don't often see
irrigation being used, especially in comparison with parts of mainland
Europe.


I'm sure there are plenty natural rivers that just flow straight out to sea. There are in Scotland anyway. I don't think the Tay is used much at all.

The main problem with water supply and use in the UK is the vastly
disproportionate number of people living in the driest areas. About half
the population of the UK lives within 60 miles of Charing Cross.


They shouldn't. I detest cities and can't understand someone wanting to live all crammed together like that. And they pay more for the privilege!

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BartC wrote:


"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:44:40 -0000, Brian Gaff
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I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As we
have
loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them
working to
make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing
power
when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be
stored
unlike electricity for the grid.

Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.

How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?

Don't let facts get in the way of a nice fantasy.


Why is it fantasy if they can do it?


Hey sonny Jim, wouldn't your time be better spent in your "****ing Windows!"
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BartC wrote:


"Lieutenant Scott" wrote in message
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Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.

How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?

Don't let facts get in the way of a nice fantasy.


Why is it fantasy if they can do it?


Hey sonny Jim, wouldn't your time be better spent in your "****ing Windows!"
thread in demon.local?
Along with the other simpletons.


I've answered all those.

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Indeed - the Middle East manage it. The UK is just disorganised.

How much does it cost per litre or per cubic metre? What about the setup
costs?

Don't let facts get in the way of a nice fantasy.


Why is it fantasy if they can do it?


Hey sonny Jim, wouldn't your time be better spent in your "****ing Windows!"
thread in demon.local?
Along with the other simpletons.


Hey sonny monkey, why are you stalking me?

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html


Our water companies don't think we're soggy.


Its a conspiracy, they're flogging the water to someone else, stupid.

They have to be the single most incompetent shower of useless people on the planet.


The english you mean ? Careful, they'll frog march all your ilk out of their country if you dont watch out.

A drought in the UK, a bloody ISLAND!!!! [Shakes head in disbelief]


Plenty of islands have droughts.

If I lived down there, I'd leave the tap running 24/7 to teach them a lesson.


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No they shouldn't! *Firstly water is the most important thing for life,
you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.


I take it you also insist on paying a flat rate for food
regardless of how much you actually use.

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Well, that's 20 years out of date as it says "Grampian" instead
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Brian Gaff wrote
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html


Our water companies don't think we're soggy.


Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great British public is somewhat resistant to water
meters (all houses should have them).


They have to be the single most incompetent shower of useless people on the planet. A drought in the UK, a bloody
ISLAND!!!! [Shakes head in disbelief]


What'sits being an island to do with it.


If I lived down there, I'd leave the tap running 24/7 to teach them a lesson.


See above about water meters.


I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case.


Groan...

As we have loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working to make drinking water out of
seawater


Because they dont generate anything like enough power to run a desal plant.

rather than have them providing power when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored unlike
electricity for the grid.


But when it returns to being the soggy little island it usually is, that water wont be any use.

It makes a lot more sense to tell people to stop wasting
the water on the gardens until it rains decently again.


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the population of the UK lives within 60 miles of Charing Cross.


Now I know where to put my thermonuclear device...


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I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As
we have loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get
them working to make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing power when nobody needs it and
not when they do, at least water can be stored unlike electricity for the grid.


Indeed - the Middle East manage it.


Not with wind generators they dont.

The UK is just disorganised.


They have enough of a clue to realise that droughts arent common
enough to warrant a desal plant and that it makes a lot more sense
to just tell people to stop hosing their gardens until it rains again.


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No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for life,
you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.


I take it you also insist on paying a flat rate for food
regardless of how much you actually use.


No, because food is not plentiful, and some people would end up as fat as an American.

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Brian Gaff wrote
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Lieutenant Scott wrote


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html


Our water companies don't think we're soggy.


Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great British public is somewhat resistant to water
meters (all houses should have them).


They have to be the single most incompetent shower of useless people on the planet. A drought in the UK, a bloody
ISLAND!!!! [Shakes head in disbelief]


What'sits being an island to do with it.


If I lived down there, I'd leave the tap running 24/7 to teach them a lesson.


See above about water meters.


I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case.


Groan...

As we have loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get them working to make drinking water out of
seawater


Because they dont generate anything like enough power to run a desal plant.

rather than have them providing power when nobody needs it and not when they do, at least water can be stored unlike
electricity for the grid.


But when it returns to being the soggy little island it usually is, that water wont be any use.

It makes a lot more sense to tell people to stop wasting
the water on the gardens until it rains decently again.


Then we all get dead gardens. Nice.

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I thought this was a troll. However I will wade in in any case. As
we have loads of wind generators out at sea now, why not just get
them working to make drinking water out of seawater rather than have them providing power when nobody needs it and
not when they do, at least water can be stored unlike electricity for the grid.


Indeed - the Middle East manage it.


Not with wind generators they dont.


Indeed. Its one of the areas where solar energy actually works - use it
to evaporate seawater and condense it with cold sea water.

you get up to 1KW per sq meter out off a hot midday solar panel(average
probably 200W). Less than 2W/sq meter from wind.


The UK is just disorganised.


They have enough of a clue to realise that droughts arent common
enough to warrant a desal plant and that it makes a lot more sense
to just tell people to stop hosing their gardens until it rains again.


Indeed. Bags of water up north that would be cheaper to drive down a
motorway than desal.

We could do loads more with what we have too. - 5 gallons to flush away
a cupful of pee?






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Lieutenant Scott wrote
BartC wrote
Lieutenant Scott wrote
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Lieutenant Scott wrote


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/water-firms...122917413.html


Our water companies don't think we're soggy.


Yes, it's because it hasn't rained much recently. And because the great British public is somewhat resistant to
water meters (all houses should have them).


No they shouldn't! Firstly water is the most important thing for
life, you shouldn't be metering something that we absolutely need.


All the more reason to meter a resource that people might otherwise
be tempted to squander. (The average person probably uses 100 times
more water - directly in his house - than he actually needs to live.)


That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff.


There can be at times.

This has to be about the wettest country in the world.


Fraid not.

What'sits being an island to do with it.


The further you are from the ocean, the less rainfall you get.


You can still get droughts on small islands (who then have to import it via ships).


We get droughts in the UK simply because we get a lot of rain (and
therefore don't bother to build big enough reservoirs). And piping
water all over the country is expensive; we'd all have to pay for it.


It's not like we pay much for water compared to electrocity and gas. I pay 161.92 a YEAR for water.


And most arent interested in paying for the piping when its so rarely needed.

Makes a lot more sense to just stop wasting it on the garden
etc during inevitable droughts when they are so infrequent.


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The main problem with water supply and use in the UK is the vastly
disproportionate number of people living in the driest areas. About half
the population of the UK lives within 60 miles of Charing Cross.


They shouldn't. I detest cities and can't understand someone wanting to live
all crammed together like that. And they pay more for the privilege!


We'll leave it to you to tell them then, each and every one, OK?


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That would make sense if there was a shortage of the stuff. This has to be about the wettest country in the
world.


The UK is the 74th wettest country in the world, with on average
about half the rainfall of Australia. We even get less rain than Germany.


I find it hard to believe Australia is wetter than here.


It is anyway. Some places can get 15" of rain in one day.

So why are they running out in the South-east?


Incompetence.


Not entirely. The number of litres of rain falling *per person* in
the South East of England is about the same as it is in Israel.


http://www.bestcountryreports.com/Pr...%20Kingdom.php


http://www.bestcountryreports.com/Pr...Map_Israel.php


Both maps use the same colours for the same actual rainfall. The
South East of England is more densely populated than Israel, so the
bands for rainfall per person are one paler on Israel than they
would be in the UK.


The age of the water mains doesn't help, with the latest estimates
still showing about 20% of the water in London never getting to the
consumers' taps, but that's more due to lack of investment by the
government over the last five or six decades than the incomepetence
of the water boards.


Also most water does not go through dams. We must be using a very small proportion of the water that rains.


Thats true of almost everywhere.

There isnt any point in lots more dams when droughts are so rare.

It makes a lot more sense to just stop wasting the water when there is a drought instead.


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The UK is the 74th wettest country in the world, with on average about half the rainfall of Australia. We even get
less rain than Germany.


I find it hard to believe Australia is wetter than here.


1,304mm per year in Canberra, and 762mm per year in London. (1931 - 1960 averages)


Obviously some bits of the UK are wetter, but it's not much over 1500mm per year, even in the lake district.


Anyone who lives in Australia will tell you they get the sun all the time!


Not those in Tasmania they wont. Its even more of a soggy little island than yours.

Maybe their rain falls more easily and doesn't just hover like ours blotting out the light.


Its the same as yours in tasmania.

The age of the water mains doesn't help, with the latest estimates
still showing about 20% of the water in London never getting to
the consumers' taps, but that's more due to lack of investment by
the government over the last five or six decades than the
incomepetence of the water boards.


Also most water does not go through dams. We must be using a very small proportion of the water that rains.


It depends how you define use. Every gallon of Thames water gets used (drunk and flushed down the drain or washed in,
then repeat the cycle) on average four times before it finally gets into the sea.


I heard it was seven.


So they clearly dont need much in the way of dams there.

Other parts of the South East use boreholes, which tap into the water layer below the London clay, so the water used
is fossil water that fell on the North and South Downs a few Centuries ago.


This is a crazy idea surely?


Nope.

Creating a big gap underground.


Nope.

And using something which is not available forever.


It gets recharged.

Merseyside and Birmingham use dams in Wales with Merseyside using the Lake District as well, the Potteries area uses
dams in the peak district, and Yorkshire's water mainly comes from the Pennines by various routes.


Most water use in the UK, though, is for agriculture, and the vast majority of that is rain directly onto the crops.
You don't often see irrigation being used, especially in comparison with parts of mainland Europe.


I'm sure there are plenty natural rivers that just flow straight out to sea. There are in Scotland anyway. I don't
think the Tay is used much at all.


The main problem with water supply and use in the UK is the vastly
disproportionate number of people living in the driest areas. About
half the population of the UK lives within 60 miles of Charing Cross.


They shouldn't. I detest cities and can't understand someone wanting to live all crammed together like that. And
they pay more for the privilege!


They are probably still scarred of you hairy legged savages in dresses.

Even the romans were.


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