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I Can't Stand Those Frigging American Newspapers And Websites That
Unnecessarily Capitalise The First Letter Of Every Word In The Headline.

It Looks So Fecking Stupid.

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En el artículo
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http://www.huffiBLAM

I Can't Stand Those Frigging American Newspapers And Websites That
Unnecessarily Capitalise The First Letter Of Every Word In The Headline.

It Looks So Fecking Stupid.

I think Harry's realised that the only way he doesn't get jumped on for
his stupid remarks is just to post irrelevant crap and xenophobic quotes


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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:49:16 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...26pLid%3D97334

AIUI the safest place to be when your vehicle is in contact with
electricity is inside the vehicle. That presupposes that the said
vehicle is not on fire of course.
The piece implies that he was electrocuted inside the vehicle, I
wonder if that is true.



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On 21/02/2012 20:40, Graham. wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:49:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...26pLid%3D97334

AIUI the safest place to be when your vehicle is in contact with
electricity is inside the vehicle. That presupposes that the said
vehicle is not on fire of course.
The piece implies that he was electrocuted inside the vehicle, I
wonder if that is true.

No it is physically impossible. The car body would behave like a Faraday
cage - although modern composites much less so than steel but a metallic
paint on carbon composite would be close enough. There are some pretty
good stage artists that do clever shows based on a superb knowledge of
what is safe with large currents flowing on the exterior.

An appropriate ArcAttack for the UK - Dr Who theme performed in part by
a stunt man in chain mail stood between two MV class tuned telsa coils.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdrqd...eature=related

They caused quite a stir when they first appeared on Americas Got Talent
as the judges really didn't know what to make of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KbS50_65UjI

They got a lot more showmanship into their act by the semifinals.

The unfortunate footballer would be electrocuted when he had one foot on
the ground and a hand still touching the metal body of the car. The
others presumably didn't touch anything conductive as they got out OK.

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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:17:46 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 21/02/2012 20:40, Graham. wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:49:16 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...26pLid%3D97334

AIUI the safest place to be when your vehicle is in contact with
electricity is inside the vehicle. That presupposes that the said
vehicle is not on fire of course.
The piece implies that he was electrocuted inside the vehicle, I
wonder if that is true.

No it is physically impossible. The car body would behave like a Faraday
cage - although modern composites much less so than steel but a metallic
paint on carbon composite would be close enough. There are some pretty
good stage artists that do clever shows based on a superb knowledge of
what is safe with large currents flowing on the exterior.

An appropriate ArcAttack for the UK - Dr Who theme performed in part by
a stunt man in chain mail stood between two MV class tuned telsa coils.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdrqd...eature=related

They caused quite a stir when they first appeared on Americas Got Talent
as the judges really didn't know what to make of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=KbS50_65UjI

They got a lot more showmanship into their act by the semifinals.

The unfortunate footballer would be electrocuted when he had one foot on
the ground and a hand still touching the metal body of the car. The
others presumably didn't touch anything conductive as they got out OK.

That's what I thought, and that's what happened; he tried to exit the
vehicle, but if he could have hung on for a few more seconds he might
have been OK.

Full account here,

http://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/opinions/2012FAI17.html

Read from about Para 83

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On Feb 21, 9:17 pm, Martin Brown
wrote:

They got a lot more showmanship into their act by the semifinals.

and thankfully hid the headbanging geek on the organ turned upto
11....

Jim K

In article ,
Martin Brown writes:

The unfortunate footballer would be electrocuted when he had one foot on
the ground and a hand still touching the metal body of the car. The
others presumably didn't touch anything conductive as they got out OK.

There used to be a set of accident pictures on the web with
something not dissimilar. A car hit a reinforced concrete
pole (of the type commonly found in some other contries, but
not common in UK). The driver was not hurt, opened the door,
put a foot out, and was prompty electrocuted by the high
voltage (don't recall what voltage, but the lines were many
thousands of volts). Driver's legs ended up like a lump of
charcoal which also burned out part of the car.

You had to look carefully to see what had happened, and the
photographer had captured all the relevant evidence.
When the car hit the pole, the pole stayed upright and the
HV wires didn't come down. However, one of the wires came
off its insulator and was resting on the metal cross-arm, so
the cross-arm was now live. At the bottom of the pole, the
car had chipped off some concrete and was resting on one of
the internal metal reinforcing bars. There was obviously a
connection between the metal cross-arm and the rebar in the
concrete. This left the car sitting at many thousands of
volts, which was OK until the driver tried to step out.

It's interesting to think what you should do in a scenario
where your car body is connected to high voltage. You can't
sit there for too long as the tyre rubber conducts high
voltage well enough to slowly catch fire (find a video of
a digger or cherry picker hitting HV cables to see this).
You could jump out of the car so there's never a connection
through you between the car and ground. This then exposes
you to a secondary risk - that there's a potential across
the ground which is large enough to bring you down with your
first stride. So you need to jump out landing feet together
(as though tied), and then jump away in a similar style,
or hop, but falling over in the process could be lethal.
Anyway, well worth thinking through before it happens to
you.

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Andrew Gabriel
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 11:31:12 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
Martin Brown writes:

The unfortunate footballer would be electrocuted when he had one foot on
the ground and a hand still touching the metal body of the car. The
others presumably didn't touch anything conductive as they got out OK.

There used to be a set of accident pictures on the web with
something not dissimilar. A car hit a reinforced concrete
pole (of the type commonly found in some other contries, but
not common in UK). The driver was not hurt, opened the door,
put a foot out, and was prompty electrocuted by the high
voltage (don't recall what voltage, but the lines were many
thousands of volts). Driver's legs ended up like a lump of
charcoal which also burned out part of the car.

You had to look carefully to see what had happened, and the
photographer had captured all the relevant evidence.
When the car hit the pole, the pole stayed upright and the
HV wires didn't come down. However, one of the wires came
off its insulator and was resting on the metal cross-arm, so
the cross-arm was now live. At the bottom of the pole, the
car had chipped off some concrete and was resting on one of
the internal metal reinforcing bars. There was obviously a
connection between the metal cross-arm and the rebar in the
concrete. This left the car sitting at many thousands of
volts, which was OK until the driver tried to step out.

It's interesting to think what you should do in a scenario
where your car body is connected to high voltage. You can't
sit there for too long as the tyre rubber conducts high
voltage well enough to slowly catch fire (find a video of
a digger or cherry picker hitting HV cables to see this).
You could jump out of the car so there's never a connection
through you between the car and ground. This then exposes
you to a secondary risk - that there's a potential across
the ground which is large enough to bring you down with your
first stride. So you need to jump out landing feet together
(as though tied), and then jump away in a similar style,
or hop, but falling over in the process could be lethal.
Anyway, well worth thinking through before it happens to
you.


Reading the Sheriff's report in this case, it seems that the
difference between life and death might be to take an educated guess
at the breaker re-closure sequence, and in particular, to try to
determine when it has given up retrying.

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Graham.
%Profound_observation%

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:25:44 +0000, Graham. wrote:


It's interesting to think what you should do in a scenario
where your car body is connected to high voltage.

You could jump out of the car so there's never a connection
through you between the car and ground.

Reading the Sheriff's report in this case, it seems that the
difference between life and death might be to take an educated guess
at the breaker re-closure sequence, and in particular, to try to
determine when it has given up retrying.

I would think that the number of people who even know what a
re-closure sequence is will be a very small percentage of the
population. Those who get their supply by an overhead network may
have wondered why the lights go off and then come back on again and
either stay on or extinguish again may have picked up the
reason,but my other half did not know and neither did our neighbour
when the subject came up once following a windy night. A lot of people
think it is just some operator switching supplies somewhere if they
actually think about it all. And even if somebody is aware in the
immediate aftermath of such an accident would they be in the right
frame of mind to remember such a thing .

G.Harman

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escribió:

So you need to jump out landing feet together
(as though tied), and then jump away in a similar style,
or hop, but falling over in the process could be lethal.
Anyway, well worth thinking through before it happens to
you.

I doubt anyone does much "thinking through" in a situation like that.

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Andrew Gabriel :
It's interesting to think what you should do in a scenario
where your car body is connected to high voltage. You can't
sit there for too long as the tyre rubber conducts high
voltage well enough to slowly catch fire (find a video of
a digger or cherry picker hitting HV cables to see this).
You could jump out of the car so there's never a connection
through you between the car and ground. This then exposes
you to a secondary risk - that there's a potential across
the ground which is large enough to bring you down with your
first stride. So you need to jump out landing feet together
(as though tied), and then jump away in a similar style,
or hop, but falling over in the process could be lethal.
Anyway, well worth thinking through before it happens to
you.

My thoughts are leading me towards a dive into a forward roll.

Sixty years ago I could have done it. :-(

--
Mike Barnes

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown writes:

The unfortunate footballer would be electrocuted when he had one
foot on the ground and a hand still touching the metal body of the
car. The others presumably didn't touch anything conductive as they
got out OK.

There used to be a set of accident pictures on the web with
something not dissimilar. A car hit a reinforced concrete
pole (of the type commonly found in some other contries, but
not common in UK). The driver was not hurt, opened the door,
put a foot out, and was prompty electrocuted by the high
voltage (don't recall what voltage, but the lines were many
thousands of volts). Driver's legs ended up like a lump of
charcoal which also burned out part of the car.

You had to look carefully to see what had happened, and the
photographer had captured all the relevant evidence.
When the car hit the pole, the pole stayed upright and the
HV wires didn't come down. However, one of the wires came
off its insulator and was resting on the metal cross-arm, so
the cross-arm was now live. At the bottom of the pole, the
car had chipped off some concrete and was resting on one of
the internal metal reinforcing bars. There was obviously a
connection between the metal cross-arm and the rebar in the
concrete. This left the car sitting at many thousands of
volts, which was OK until the driver tried to step out.

It's interesting to think what you should do in a scenario
where your car body is connected to high voltage. You can't
sit there for too long as the tyre rubber conducts high
voltage well enough to slowly catch fire (find a video of
a digger or cherry picker hitting HV cables to see this).
You could jump out of the car so there's never a connection
through you between the car and ground. This then exposes
you to a secondary risk - that there's a potential across
the ground which is large enough to bring you down with your
first stride. So you need to jump out landing feet together
(as though tied), and then jump away in a similar style,
or hop, but falling over in the process could be lethal.
Anyway, well worth thinking through before it happens to
you.

There is planning ahead and then there is "planning ahead".

--
Adam

Graham. wrote:
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:49:16 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...26pLid%3D97334

AIUI the safest place to be when your vehicle is in contact with
electricity is inside the vehicle. That presupposes that the said
vehicle is not on fire of course.
The piece implies that he was electrocuted inside the vehicle, I
wonder if that is true.

No it doesn't. It says he was found on the ground beside the vehicle, which
was on fire.

Tim

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 20:40:44 +0000, Graham. wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:49:16 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...26pLid%3D97334

AIUI the safest place to be when your vehicle is in contact with
electricity is inside the vehicle. That presupposes that the said
vehicle is not on fire of course.

Maybe 20 years ago a crane driver hit the overhead lines not too far
away from a nuclear power station in the UK. The tyres exploded and
it sunk partly into a large crater under each wheel.

As there was high speed auto reclose on this overhead line, the
circuit was re-energised and the crane got another hit just 500ms
later. Luckily he was still in the cab. He then climbed down and made
it away from the crane before a final automatic attempt to re-energise
was made a few 10's of seconds later.

He survived, the crane and the road were, to put it mildly wrecked.
There were no indications as to the state of his underwear


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On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 09:49:16 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

So?