Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

On 21 Feb 2012 11:28:11 GMT, TerryJones wrote:

Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

Nice idea but probably too complicated or easily broken for the rather
rugged use they have to put up with.

We have sep wheelie bins for paper, glass, green waste, normal
rubbish.
We can nearly fill the paper one in a fortnight (although we don't
crush boxes) - it's a half size one.
The brown one for glass, jars. etc can go about 6-8 weeks before it
needs emptying - so don't put it out very often anyway. (But I keep
jars for making jam & pickling)

The normal rubbish one would be about half full every fortnight.
The green waste for garden and food waste can either be a little box
or a big bin. I rarely put it out as I compost green stuff.

I don't quite understand how some people fill two normal rubbish bins
a fortnight (mind you they used to fill two every week) ...
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

Some people are so against recycling that they deliberately put the
wrong items in the wrong bins creating more work for the sorters.

Around here, we have just one recycling bin and one rubbish bin.

I must admit, before we got the wheelie bins I was sceptical, but now we
have them, they work well.
Well it does here anyway, I suppose it could be different in areas of
multiple occupation properties such as flats and bed-sits (studios ?)

David

On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Unless you have very peculiar usage one for household rubbish, one for
green waste, a blue recyclables box about 1x0.6x0.6m for tins, glass and
plastic and a blue bag for waste paper seems about right.

Certain authorities like Salford and a few other places are in a race to
see how many full size wheelie bins of weird colours they can issue. I
think the record is four full size ones, but maybe someone has more?

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

Newcastle has something like that as an insert into the recycling bin.
They break too easily and get lost/stolen with monotonous regularity.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
news
On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Unless you have very peculiar usage one for household rubbish, one for
green waste, a blue recyclables box about 1x0.6x0.6m for tins, glass and
plastic and a blue bag for waste paper seems about right.

Certain authorities like Salford and a few other places are in a race to
see how many full size wheelie bins of weird colours they can issue. I
think the record is four full size ones, but maybe someone has more?

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying
...

Newcastle has something like that as an insert into the recycling bin.
They break too easily and get lost/stolen with monotonous regularity.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

One of the uses of a wheelie bin was shown to me recently. I watched a fox
walk down the road checking all the bins. It seems they have yet to work out
how to get the lid raised. A lot more difficult than slashing open a plastic
sack like they used to
Robbie

In message , David writes
On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

Some people are so against recycling that they deliberately put the
wrong items in the wrong bins creating more work for the sorters.

Around here, we have just one recycling bin and one rubbish bin.

I must admit, before we got the wheelie bins I was sceptical, but now
we have them, they work well.
Well it does here anyway, I suppose it could be different in areas of
multiple occupation properties such as flats and bed-sits (studios ?)

David
We have recently gone down from 4 to 3 with the introduction of a new
recycling facility somewhere on Merseyside
Brown - gardening waste
Silver - paper, cardboard plastic, cans, bottles
Black - all other household rubbish
Used to have a green bin for paper and cardboard.

The silver one gets very full in a fortnight.
--
hugh

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:52:33 +0000, David wrote:

I must admit, before we got the wheelie bins I was sceptical, but now we
have them, they work well. Well it does here anyway, I suppose it could
be different in areas of multiple occupation properties such as flats
and bed-sits (studios ?)

Or rural areas where it's just one place to collect rubbish from then
400yds to the next. If you blink here you miss them collecting the
rubbish, truck parks with door next to bag, picker uppper hops out,
truck pulls forward length of truck whilst picker upper picks up bag
and leaves new bag, bag gets lobbed in the back and picker upper jogs
to door and hops in and away. 10 seconds tops, a wheelie bin would
only just have it's wheels off the ground in that time...

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message om,
TerryJones writes
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

Possible but not very practical if only because of its potential size
and weight when full.
--
hugh

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:19:50 +0000, Roberts wrote:

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
news
On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other,
to deal with recycling.

Unless you have very peculiar usage one for household rubbish, one for
green waste, a blue recyclables box about 1x0.6x0.6m for tins, glass
and plastic and a blue bag for waste paper seems about right.

Certain authorities like Salford and a few other places are in a race
to see how many full size wheelie bins of weird colours they can issue.
I think the record is four full size ones, but maybe someone has more?

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments -
probably like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles,
paper, and household into the same bin ... then the compactors would
have a corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for
emptying ...

Newcastle has something like that as an insert into the recycling bin.
They break too easily and get lost/stolen with monotonous regularity.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

One of the uses of a wheelie bin was shown to me recently. I watched a
fox walk down the road checking all the bins. It seems they have yet to
work out how to get the lid raised. A lot more difficult than slashing
open a plastic sack like they used to
Robbie

Brum is permanently festooned with black bags, which are a magnet for
foxes, rats and birds. Binmen go to pick a bag up - it splits. At which
point it's not a job for the binmen, but street cleaners.

In article om,
TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

Too complicated - and it would get too big, then would need different
mechanisms on the lorrys to dump them. etc..

Intersting to read the other areas recycling/refuse bin counts,
etc.! Where I am (Teighnbridge, Devon), they recon on being able to
recycle 55% of household rubbish (target is 60% this year IIRC), and
we have just two wheelie bins, and a box or 2. The bins are a black one
for landfill, and a green one for compostables.

The boxes are filled with any other recycling - papers (although some
paper and cardboard is allowed in the composing bin), tins, bottles, laser
printer toner carts. etc. On Green-bin day, they do a street sort with
a bloke coming round on foot, ahead of the lorry to sort the boxes, then
the recycling lorry comes through then the composting lorry to empty the
wheelie bins (sometimes the other way round)

It seems to work OK. We don't have an issue with the frequency as we
rarely (if ever) fill either bin, prefering to do the (shock horror!)
rare thing of only buying what we eat, etc.

Gordon

Dave Liquorice :
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:52:33 +0000, David wrote:

I must admit, before we got the wheelie bins I was sceptical, but now we
have them, they work well. Well it does here anyway, I suppose it could
be different in areas of multiple occupation properties such as flats
and bed-sits (studios ?)

Or rural areas where it's just one place to collect rubbish from then
400yds to the next. If you blink here you miss them collecting the
rubbish, truck parks with door next to bag, picker uppper hops out,
truck pulls forward length of truck whilst picker upper picks up bag
and leaves new bag, bag gets lobbed in the back and picker upper jogs
to door and hops in and away. 10 seconds tops, a wheelie bin would
only just have it's wheels off the ground in that time...

There are no other stops near here but we've had wheelie bins for a
couple of years now and I prefer them. The recycling bags would blow
away and they got filthy.

Garden waste, green bin, 110kg, weekly
Paper/card, blue bin, 90kg, fortnightly
Bottles/cans, brown bin, 90kg, monthly (put out about twice a year)
Landfill, black bin, 70kg, fortnightly

It's the best it's ever been. We're fortunate in having enough space to
put the bins without them being in the way or an eyesore.

A divided bin would be a pain in the arse.

--
Mike Barnes

Intersting to read the other areas recycling/refuse bin counts,
etc.! Where I am (Teighnbridge, Devon), they recon on being able to
recycle 55% of household rubbish (target is 60% this year IIRC), and
we have just two wheelie bins, and a box or 2. The bins are a black one
for landfill, and a green one for compostables.

The boxes are filled with any other recycling - papers (although some
paper and cardboard is allowed in the composing bin), tins, bottles, laser
printer toner carts. etc. On Green-bin day, they do a street sort with
a bloke coming round on foot, ahead of the lorry to sort the boxes, then
the recycling lorry comes through then the composting lorry to empty the
wheelie bins (sometimes the other way round)

We used to have boxes for recycling stuff, and the collection truck had
numerous compartments for the numerous collectors to sort the items into
different categories, now all recycled stuff goes into the same bin and
must get sorted at the depot.

I wonder, though, with this arrangement, how much of the glass gets
broken and un-recycled as the different coloured glass cannot be used
together.
I understand some gets ground up for use in road surfaces ?

David

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:43:36 +0000, Mike Barnes wrote:

There are no other stops near here but we've had wheelie bins for a
couple of years now and I prefer them.

We have one full size green wheelie for the compostable stuff that we
don't compost (ie ragwort, thistles, docks etc) It's cracked on the
front where it thumps on the truck when been emptied and blows around
the car park and once it escaped down the road...

The recycling bags would blow away and they got filthy.

We have green box for paper cans and glass. Paper in first, cans and
glass stop the papper blowing out and the (full) box going for a
wander down the road. It has to have at least one brick in it to keep
it still when empty.

Card, cartons and plastic bottles get taken to a bring bank when
their crates get full.

Everything else goes in a blue bag, mostly packaging films. That has
a brick placed on top when put out to stop it blowing away.

Garden waste, green bin, 110kg, weekly

You are limited by weight as to how much you can shove out? We are
supposed to be limited to two blue bags/week but they'll take three
or four provided it's not every week. They only took two when left
about eight out after the mega clearout before the renovations
started. We just kept hold and put three out for the next few weeks
until they had all gone...

--
Cheers
Dave.

David wrote:

On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying
...

Some people are so against recycling that they deliberately put the
wrong items in the wrong bins creating more work for the sorters.

Around here, we have just one recycling bin and one rubbish bin.

I must admit, before we got the wheelie bins I was sceptical, but now we
have them, they work well.
Well it does here anyway, I suppose it could be different in areas of
multiple occupation properties such as flats and bed-sits (studios ?)

David

That is the correct (TM) solution. 3 bins: garden+food, recycling, landfill.

Same bin format, therefore no special wagons and simpler recycling=more
recycling.

Those little extra bins are a PITA - we have for "purest paper" and
metal+plastic. I never have any "purest paper" (cardboard goes in garden
bin) and the metal+plastic bin is too small so I fill the "paper" bin with
more plastic and the dustmen handle it appropriately (it's fairly obvious).

I would welcome a mixed recycling wheelie bin, especially if it took glass
too.

--
Tim Watts

"TerryJones" wrote in message
eb.com...
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...


I may be wrong but I thnik transport and storage of bins relies on then
being stackable wheels and lids added later prior to distribution. you would
not get many in a lorry or store f this was not the case. Compartment bins
would not stack

Regards

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

That is the correct (TM) solution. 3 bins: garden+food, recycling,
landfill.

The trouble is that you can't put all food waste in a garden waste
composter.
It doesn't get hot enough to be safe.

Our council composts garden waste and food waste as separate items.
The food waste goes through a high pressure, high temperature composter
which is safe.
I wouldn't want any compost that has random food waste in it that has just
been in a garden waste composter and I don't think it would be legal to do
so.
Lets face it, mad cow disease was spread by incorrect, low temperature
rendering of food waste.
(Which probably wasn't spread by eating the stuff but by breathing in the
food dust.)


Same bin format, therefore no special wagons and simpler recycling=more
recycling.

Those little extra bins are a PITA - we have for "purest paper" and
metal+plastic. I never have any "purest paper" (cardboard goes in garden
bin) and the metal+plastic bin is too small so I fill the "paper" bin with
more plastic and the dustmen handle it appropriately (it's fairly
obvious).

I would welcome a mixed recycling wheelie bin, especially if it took glass
too.

Ours does, but not window glass for some reason.
I expect the separator can't cope.

On 21/02/2012 12:00, Martin Brown wrote:
On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Unless you have very peculiar usage one for household rubbish, one for
green waste, a blue recyclables box about 1x0.6x0.6m for tins, glass and
plastic and a blue bag for waste paper seems about right.

Depends on what they take in the recyclable bin... we started out with a
box like that, and it was for glass and cans and got emptied weekly. Now
we have a full size wheelie for recyclables that is emptied alternate
weeks. That actually works very well and is frequently full in that
time. However they take everything recyclable in it - glass, paper,
card, tins, foil, plastics etc.

Certain authorities like Salford and a few other places are in a race to
see how many full size wheelie bins of weird colours they can issue. I
think the record is four full size ones, but maybe someone has more?

Not here, one full size as above, one slightly narrower for "rubbish",
and one narrower and shallower for food/garden etc.


--
Cheers,

John.

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dennis@home wrote:



"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

That is the correct (TM) solution. 3 bins: garden+food, recycling,
landfill.

The trouble is that you can't put all food waste in a garden waste
composter.
It doesn't get hot enough to be safe.

You can if you upgrade your composter. Tunbridge Wells have allowed exactly
this since around 2004-5. Even meat and fish scraps are permitted.

Whereas down here in East Sussex, we cannot even put fresh peelings in the
garden bin in case a microbe did a pole vault from a nearby pork chop. which
is not a problem for me as I run 2 compost bins in the garden.


--
Tim Watts

Dave Liquorice :
On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:43:36 +0000, Mike Barnes wrote:
Garden waste, green bin, 110kg, weekly

You are limited by weight as to how much you can shove out?

That's what's printed on the bin, presumably its design capacity. I
doubt that even SWMBO could get that much in it, even after jumping up
and down on the contents.

--
Mike Barnes

On 21/02/2012 11:28, TerryJones wrote:
Living in Brum, wheelie bins are unknown ... one of the oft-quoted
complaints I hear is you need 1 for this, 1 for that, 1 for the other, to
deal with recycling.

Would it be possible to design a single bin, with compartments - probably
like an angled "V" in the side, so you can put bottles, paper, and
household into the same bin ... then the compactors would have a
corresponding mechanism to select the appropriate chamber for emptying ...

Already the subject of a European patent application.

Colin Bignell

I can fit my blue box (for paper) into my 250L black bin
and the handles hook onto the sides of the bin - but
without gaps cut into the lid or sides the lid doesn't
go down flat. However, I do know that some councils do
arrange bins like this.

JGH

On 2012-02-21, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:43:36 +0000, Mike Barnes wrote:

Garden waste, green bin, 110kg, weekly

You are limited by weight as to how much you can shove out? We are
supposed to be limited to two blue bags/week but they'll take three
or four provided it's not every week. They only took two when left
about eight out after the mega clearout before the renovations
started. We just kept hold and put three out for the next few weeks
until they had all gone...

AIUI, the weight limit on a bin is based on what the employee can be
reasonably (safely?) expected to drag across the road to hook on the
lorry.

En el artículo , Mike
Barnes escribió:

Garden waste, green bin, 110kg, weekly
Paper/card, blue bin, 90kg, fortnightly
Bottles/cans, brown bin, 90kg, monthly (put out about twice a year)
Landfill, black bin, 70kg, fortnightly

The lack of consistency in colour is surprising. Here in Wirral it's

green bin - landfill
brown bin - garden waste for composting
grey bin - recyclables (mixed glass/paper/plastic)

You'd think they would have used the green bins for recycling (eco-green
and all that jazz), but meh.

We (I and my upstairs neighbours) put for more in the recycling bin than
we do in the landfill one, somewhat to my surprise.

In Liverpool, the landfill bins are a rather puke-provoking shade of
purple.

A divided bin would be a pain in the arse.

+1.

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(\_/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

dave wrote:

What I hate about wheelie bins is the NOISE they make. The
lid-slammers are bad enough but the trundling tyre noise and boom boom
of dragging them around is horrible.

They're not too bad when full, but when empty I do tend to lift mine
back into position, rather than drag it, shame the neighbours don't
though ...

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:28:56 +0000, dave wrote:

On Tue, 21 Feb 2012 11:40:22 -0800 (PST), jgharston
wrote:

I can fit my blue box (for paper) into my 250L black bin
and the handles hook onto the sides of the bin - but
without gaps cut into the lid or sides the lid doesn't
go down flat. However, I do know that some councils do
arrange bins like this.

JGH

What I hate about wheelie bins is the NOISE they make. The
lid-slammers are bad enough but the trundling tyre noise and boom boom
of dragging them around is horrible. But then, noise pollution is not
regarded as pollution at all is it! In an ever noisier world wheelie
bins need quieting. Other than that I think they are a great though
:-)

On the lid of my recycling (blue) bin there's a loudspeaker symbol
followed by "89dB".

Whilst technically that has no significance (such as "dBA" might) it
does suggest something to do with its noisiness; or perhaps
attenuation (or amplification!) of some noise or other.

I'm pretty sure that another of the bins has a similar "dB" rating,
but I CBA to check tonight. Any "noise" of the bins is far exceeded by
the noise of the wagon :-)
Occasionally the approaching wagon noise is a salutary reminder to put
the bin out on the grass verge.

The blue bin has a basket/box sort of thing which sits on top under
the lid, for papers. The main body is intended for glass, cans,
plastic bottles and flattened cardboard.

The council blurb is that the blue bin "fits all your recycling in",
but on enqviry I was asked to simply chuck old batteries/cells into
the original regular (green) bin.

My original (green) bin is emptied weekly, and the recycling (blue)
bin is done fortnightly, alternating during the non-winter seasons
with a brown bin, for (sic) "green" waste, like grass clippings, weeds
et. al.

It's all a bit confusing to simple people like me (well I _am_ over
50), but the LA does occasionally provide a collections "calendar"
shewing graphically the dates for appropriate bin colours, and
alterations due to ban collie days and the like.

--
Frank Erskine

Frank Erskine :
It's all a bit confusing to simple people like me (well I _am_ over
50), but the LA does occasionally provide a collections "calendar"
shewing graphically the dates for appropriate bin colours, and
alterations due to ban collie days and the like.

Since this is uk.d-i-y, I can mention my print-it-yourself A4 calendar
with customisable recycling dates.

Example:
http://thedowerhouse.com/calendar/calendar.html

Instructions:
http://thedowerhouse.com/calendar/index.html

Our council collects 365/365. Yes, even Christmas day. One advantage of
a home-made calendar is that I can indicate the evening *before* the
collection, which is when the bins actually go out.

--
Mike Barnes

Mike Barnes wrote:
Frank Erskine :
It's all a bit confusing to simple people like me (well I _am_ over
50), but the LA does occasionally provide a collections "calendar"
shewing graphically the dates for appropriate bin colours, and
alterations due to ban collie days and the like.

Since this is uk.d-i-y, I can mention my print-it-yourself A4 calendar
with customisable recycling dates.

Example:
http://thedowerhouse.com/calendar/calendar.html

Instructions:
http://thedowerhouse.com/calendar/index.html

Our council collects 365/365. Yes, even Christmas day. One advantage of
a home-made calendar is that I can indicate the evening *before* the
collection, which is when the bins actually go out.


Our council has a downloadable PDF version of the calendar. I just keep
that on my phone. Saves printing anything. I would imagine that most
councils do the same.

Tim

On 2012-02-21, Owain wrote:

On Feb 21, 8:17Â*pm, Adam Funk wrote:
AIUI, the weight limit on a bin is based on what the employee can be
reasonably (safely?) expected to drag across the road to hook on the
lorry.

I have to drag my own bins across the road and the lorry does the side-
loading hooking-on automatically.

I've seen that system in the US but I didn't know it was used in the
UK. (I thought the narrow streets and irregular parking in old
neighbourhoods would make it unusable here.)

I guess the weight limit that the lorry can lift is probably quite a
bit higher than what most people can drag.

In article ,
Mike Tomlinson writes:
En el artículo , Mike
Barnes escribió:

Garden waste, green bin, 110kg, weekly
Paper/card, blue bin, 90kg, fortnightly
Bottles/cans, brown bin, 90kg, monthly (put out about twice a year)
Landfill, black bin, 70kg, fortnightly

The lack of consistency in colour is surprising. Here in Wirral it's

green bin - landfill
brown bin - garden waste for composting
grey bin - recyclables (mixed glass/paper/plastic)

You'd think they would have used the green bins for recycling (eco-green
and all that jazz), but meh.

Trouble is, the first wheelie bins predate recycling, and they
came in all colours around the country. After that, you can't
really have a standard.

We have:
black bin - landfill
blue bin - recycle but not glass
red crate - glass
reusable sack - garden refuse, but you have to pay £25/year

My parents have:
black bin - landfill
red bin - recycle but not glass (can be a crate or bin)
green bin - garden refuse

Another family member has:
black bin with black lid - landfill
black bin with orange lid - recycle but not glass
green bin - garden refuse

Brother in London has:
plasic sacks (provide yourself) - landfill
create - recycle, kerbside sorted
green bin - garden refuse

We (I and my upstairs neighbours) put for more in the recycling bin than
we do in the landfill one, somewhat to my surprise.

Same here. Takes me many weeks to fill my landfill bin,
so I don't bother even putting it out most collections.

It can be quite amusing on glass collection days. Some
areas of town are almost completeley wine and champagne
bottles, others are almost entirely beer bottles, or
even spirits. I'm sure a number of sociologists will
have got a PhD or two out of such studies...

In Liverpool, the landfill bins are a rather puke-provoking shade of
purple.

A divided bin would be a pain in the arse.

+1.

+2.

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Mike Tomlinson writes:
En el artículo , Mike
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Garden waste, green bin, 110kg, weekly
Paper/card, blue bin, 90kg, fortnightly
Bottles/cans, brown bin, 90kg, monthly (put out about twice a year)
Landfill, black bin, 70kg, fortnightly

The lack of consistency in colour is surprising. Here in Wirral it's

green bin - landfill
brown bin - garden waste for composting
grey bin - recyclables (mixed glass/paper/plastic)

You'd think they would have used the green bins for recycling (eco-green
and all that jazz), but meh.

Trouble is, the first wheelie bins predate recycling, and they
came in all colours around the country. After that, you can't
really have a standard.

We have:
black bin - landfill
blue bin - recycle but not glass
red crate - glass
reusable sack - garden refuse, but you have to pay £25/year

My parents have:
black bin - landfill
red bin - recycle but not glass (can be a crate or bin)
green bin - garden refuse

Another family member has:
black bin with black lid - landfill
black bin with orange lid - recycle but not glass
green bin - garden refuse

Brother in London has:
plasic sacks (provide yourself) - landfill
create - recycle, kerbside sorted
green bin - garden refuse

We (I and my upstairs neighbours) put for more in the recycling bin than
we do in the landfill one, somewhat to my surprise.

Same here. Takes me many weeks to fill my landfill bin,
so I don't bother even putting it out most collections.

It can be quite amusing on glass collection days. Some
areas of town are almost completeley wine and champagne
bottles, others are almost entirely beer bottles, or
even spirits. I'm sure a number of sociologists will
have got a PhD or two out of such studies...

In Liverpool, the landfill bins are a rather puke-provoking shade of
purple.

A divided bin would be a pain in the arse.

+1.

+2.

Hey, a whole new commission for the EU - standardising wheelie bins
across the EU. That'll keep 'em going for years.
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hugh

On Feb 22, 3:04*pm, (Andrew Gabriel)
wrote:
In article ,
* * * * Mike Tomlinson writes:

A divided bin would be a pain in the arse.

+1.

+2.

When recycling started here, we had a divided bin. IIRC, one side was
the usual stuff like paper and cans, the other was organic waste.
Didn't last long before the council removed the dividers and made it
paper/cardboard/plastic/cans only.

Since then we've grown to three bins: black (landfill) with maybe one
or two carrier bags of rubbish in it and often not even put out; green
(recycling) fornightly which is usually full; and brown (garden waste)
which accepts windfall fruit but not fruit peelings, dead house plants
but no vegetables... WTF is that about?

Glass has to be taken to a bottle bank (which we do) or put in the
landfill bin. Many of the previously green/brown/clear bottle banks
have recently been replaced with mixed glass banks. Don't know
whether this is a step forward or a step back.

Tetra paks can be taken to one of a few disant collection points
around the city (which we don't) or put in the landfill bin.

A relative in another part of the country has recently got a burgundy
bin - with a clip-on internal compartment that covers half the open
area and is about 12" deep. That's for paper and junkmail. Other
recyclables - including glass - get chucked in the main body of the
bin. Picking out broken glass from the other recyclables must be
great fun for some poor sod at the depot.

I appreciate there's got to be variation for some areas with special
circumstances but I'm surprised there's not some common countrywide
baseline that reflects best practice.

On 22/02/2012 13:08, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2012-02-21, Owain wrote:

On Feb 21, 8:17 pm, Adam Funk wrote:
AIUI, the weight limit on a bin is based on what the employee can be
reasonably (safely?) expected to drag across the road to hook on the
lorry.

I have to drag my own bins across the road and the lorry does the side-
loading hooking-on automatically.

I've seen that system in the US but I didn't know it was used in the
UK. (I thought the narrow streets and irregular parking in old
neighbourhoods would make it unusable here.)

I guess the weight limit that the lorry can lift is probably quite a
bit higher than what most people can drag.

But the weight limit that the handle can cope with when the truck lifts
it is probably a factor too.

SteveW

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
On 22/02/2012 13:08, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2012-02-21, Owain wrote:

On Feb 21, 8:17 pm, Adam Funk wrote:
AIUI, the weight limit on a bin is based on what the employee can be
reasonably (safely?) expected to drag across the road to hook on the
lorry.

I have to drag my own bins across the road and the lorry does the side-
loading hooking-on automatically.

I've seen that system in the US but I didn't know it was used in the
UK. (I thought the narrow streets and irregular parking in old
neighbourhoods would make it unusable here.)

I guess the weight limit that the lorry can lift is probably quite a
bit higher than what most people can drag.

But the weight limit that the handle can cope with when the truck lifts
it is probably a factor too.

but theer are plenty of commercial bins at least 3 times as big, so I doubt
if that is really a problem

SteveW

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Owain wrote:
On hilly streets it seems somewhat less likely to swallow the entire bin,

I've tried parking on that hill. The car started moving alarmingly,
so I moved it. As I put it into gear it started moving *backwards*.

JGH

In article ,
Steve Walker writes:
On 22/02/2012 13:08, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2012-02-21, Owain wrote:

On Feb 21, 8:17 pm, Adam Funk wrote:
AIUI, the weight limit on a bin is based on what the employee can be
reasonably (safely?) expected to drag across the road to hook on the
lorry.

I have to drag my own bins across the road and the lorry does the side-
loading hooking-on automatically.

I've seen that system in the US but I didn't know it was used in the
UK. (I thought the narrow streets and irregular parking in old
neighbourhoods would make it unusable here.)

I guess the weight limit that the lorry can lift is probably quite a
bit higher than what most people can drag.

But the weight limit that the handle can cope with when the truck lifts
it is probably a factor too.

It lifts by the rim, not the handle, but there will be limits
whatever. I have got a wheelie bin heavy enough that it was
actually very difficult to move, but they still took it.
That was when we first got the garden waste ones. I had built
up a 20-year old compost heap which I never used for compost,
and was actually just a pain. So it got transfered into the
first 10 or so wheelie bin collections, until the height was
reduced. I had intended to take it back down to ground level,
but discovered some very substantial tree roots had grown
into it, so it only got taken down about halfway.

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I have got a wheelie bin heavy enough that it was
actually very difficult to move, but they still took it.

I "smuggled" half a sack of set cement and a fair amount of rubble into
mine once, it was damned heavy that day, when I got back home it had
gone, the wheelie bin itself was gone that is. I half expected a snotty
letter from the council about abusing it and having to grovel to get it
back, after a few days I phoned up, said it was missing, they just sent
a van round with a new one ... I suspect it must have broken when lifted
and they just binned the bin.

On 22/02/2012 22:52, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I have got a wheelie bin heavy enough that it was
actually very difficult to move, but they still took it.

I "smuggled" half a sack of set cement and a fair amount of rubble into
mine once, it was damned heavy that day, when I got back home it had
gone, the wheelie bin itself was gone that is. I half expected a snotty
letter from the council about abusing it and having to grovel to get it
back, after a few days I phoned up, said it was missing, they just sent
a van round with a new one ... I suspect it must have broken when lifted
and they just binned the bin.

I had a bin vanish once... phoned the council, and they said "oh yes, we
did have a report of losing one in the back of the lorry from your area"
- they gave the impression that it happens from time to time. Sent a new
one round a couple of days later.

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In article ,
Huge writes:
On 2012-02-23, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/02/2012 22:52, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I have got a wheelie bin heavy enough that it was
actually very difficult to move, but they still took it.

I "smuggled" half a sack of set cement and a fair amount of rubble into
mine once, it was damned heavy that day, when I got back home it had
gone, the wheelie bin itself was gone that is. I half expected a snotty
letter from the council about abusing it and having to grovel to get it
back, after a few days I phoned up, said it was missing, they just sent
a van round with a new one ... I suspect it must have broken when lifted
and they just binned the bin.

I had a bin vanish once... phoned the council, and they said "oh yes, we
did have a report of losing one in the back of the lorry from your area"
- they gave the impression that it happens from time to time. Sent a new
one round a couple of days later.

We had ours burned, week after week. Each week, the council replaced it. I
think we got through 11 before the pyromaniacs tired of the sport.

I notice our council has a listed charge for replacing wheelie bins.
Don't know if they actually enforce it. When they upgraded the recycle
bin to a full-sized one, they didn't want the half-sized ones back,
although they would collect them if you really wanted. I kept mine
thinking I might turn it into a another water butt, but as yet, it
just occupies space in the shed.

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On 23 Feb 2012 15:28:42 GMT, Huge wrote:


We had ours burned, week after week. Each week, the council replaced it. I
think we got through 11 before the pyromaniacs tired of the sport.

I notice our council has a listed charge for replacing wheelie bins.

Good luck with getting that out of me when someone's burned my wheelie bin.


Get crime reference number and get a new one free.
Thats what we did.

The kids burnt 6 in one night, a couple of next doors fence panels and
half of our garage guttering.
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