My heating oil supplier here in Cumbria is promoting something they call
"Cleanburn" heating oil. It's claimed to be upto 13% more efficient than
conventional heating oil and reduces boiler maintenance frequency. The
product is described here http://www.kellyfuels.co.uk/kf2.htm. Has
anyone used this oil and found the claims justified?

tony

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:43:52 +0000, Tony wrote:

My heating oil supplier here in Cumbria is promoting something they
call "Cleanburn" heating oil. It's claimed to be upto 13% more
efficient

And how much more expensive is it than bog standard 28sec?

The product is described here http://www.kellyfuels.co.uk/kf2.htm.
Has anyone used this oil and found the claims justified?

Well It all reads very nicely but read what is written closely and it
doesn't really stand up IMHO. For instance the highlighted
"testimonial" towards the top of the page:

"Since changing to Cleanburn I find the house much warmer and have had
to turn the temperature down making it more economical - even the
boiler needs less servicing".

How does changing the fuel affect the temperature of the house
controlled by a thermostat? Of course if you turn the stat down by a
couple of degrees you will use less fuel "making it more
economical"... Boiler servicing, well that is debateable ours gets
done every year but I'm not convinced it *really* needs it that often
burning ordinary Shell 28sec oil.

Not that none of the "testimonials" are credited.

Why no link to the University of Ulster research? The only link is to
the makers of the addative, they are not likley to be unbiased are
they...

Shell have been marketing a 28sec heating oil with similar claims for
the last couple of years. I've not been convinced by any one that the
extra cost is really worth it.

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Dave Liquorice wrote:

"Since changing to Cleanburn I find the house much warmer and have had
to turn the temperature down making it more economical - even the
boiler needs less servicing".

Classic!

I reckon it's probably low sulphur, which means low sulphur
dioxide in the exhaust, and less corrosion of the baffle
plates/heat exchanger. But enough to make a difference? I don't
know.

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Grunff

Thanks guys, objective analysis is always helpful. The price for the
stuff is available "on application" - a phrase that always makes me run
for cover. Your sceptism reflects my own, but I was still hopeful that
someone would say its brilliant stuff and has halved their fuel use!
tony

"Tony" wrote in message
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My heating oil supplier here in Cumbria is promoting something they call
"Cleanburn" heating oil. It's claimed to be upto 13% more efficient than
conventional heating oil and reduces boiler maintenance frequency. The
product is described here http://www.kellyfuels.co.uk/kf2.htm. Has
anyone used this oil and found the claims justified?

tony

Well if you live in north Cumbria you probably use the same supplier as us
(based in Dalston), and hence have used the same fuel as us, since moving
into our new house in 1970, the 1st boiler packed in in 1988, and we have
just replaced that one recently, although whilst I accept that they may have
gone on longer if they had been maintained, neither had had any maintenance
on them and both packed up for different reasons, 1st mechanical fault I
think, and the second was a rusty water tank which eventually leaked out.
So if boiler lasts 15 yrs without any maintenance, how long are they
suggesting that they will last using this fuel?

Jon

On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 11:57:54 -0000, Jonathan Pearson wrote:

Well if you live in north Cumbria you probably use the same supplier
as us (based in Dalston),

Which one is that then? There is more than one supplier working out of
Dalston; Allan Stobart, Scottish Fuels & Shell and thats just looking
the Yellow Pages...

So if boiler lasts 15 yrs without any maintenance, how long are they
suggesting that they will last using this fuel?

An oil boiler does really need a check, the jet does wear over time.
It might not need replacing every 12months but a decoke and check of
electrodes and jet is worth it to keep the effeincy up.

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

"Tony" wrote in message


The product is described here http://www.kellyfuels.co.uk/kf2.htm. Has
anyone used this oil and found the claims justified?

Dipetane if it is di pentane is a white spirit or paraffin type
additive. What northern Ireland is famous for is red diesel fraud.

In the 1940's, the USA oil companies were searching for additives. They
came
up with one good one -now banned, in all their research. Funny how the
Irish have come up with something after all these years and are not
using it in their engines.



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Jonathan Pearson wrote:

"Tony" wrote in message
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My heating oil supplier here in Cumbria is promoting something they call
"Cleanburn" heating oil. It's claimed to be upto 13% more efficient than
conventional heating oil and reduces boiler maintenance frequency. The
product is described here http://www.kellyfuels.co.uk/kf2.htm. Has
anyone used this oil and found the claims justified?

tony


Well if you live in north Cumbria you probably use the same supplier as us
(based in Dalston), and hence have used the same fuel as us, since moving
into our new house in 1970, the 1st boiler packed in in 1988, and we have
just replaced that one recently, although whilst I accept that they may have
gone on longer if they had been maintained, neither had had any maintenance
on them and both packed up for different reasons, 1st mechanical fault I
think, and the second was a rusty water tank which eventually leaked out.
So if boiler lasts 15 yrs without any maintenance, how long are they
suggesting that they will last using this fuel?



Dunno, but Ive had the fun of two boilers in my time 25yrs +

Both suffered from dirt in the oil, clogged jets and carboned up

igniters (poor installations) and needed servicing very year or two.


The aga needs a once a year clean up tho.

Possibly the additive raises combustion temp and inhibits carbon?

Probably the additional cost is more than a yearly service...


Jon

In message ,
"Dave Liquorice" wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 09:43:52 +0000, Tony wrote:

My heating oil supplier here in Cumbria is promoting something they
call "Cleanburn" heating oil. It's claimed to be upto 13% more
efficient

And how much more expensive is it than bog standard 28sec?


Anyone been to Magna in Rotherham? I worked there until a round of job
cuts about a year ago (actually, looking at the date, exactly a year ago
today) as a technician.

Magna has (I assume it's still open!) an exhibit called the "fire
tornado". I believe there's one in Bristol and one in Belfast, but ours
was the most reliable of the three - they're very sensitive to cross
drafts. A pool of kerosene is lit, and a tornado of flame created by
four tangential fans is drawn up into the ceiling by a huge exhaust fan.
As you can imagine, this creates absolutely tons of fine soot and, Magna
being what it is, this gets into all the sensitive computer and video
equipment and completely wrecks it.

We spent ages experimenting with various grades of kerosene / paraffin
and found very little difference between them in terms of deposits of
soot. I couldn't tell you about energy released - the thing is just
bloomin' hot. In the end we admitted defeat and spent thousands piping
clean filtered air directly to the projectors which we sat in enclosed
boxes. Given that there were nine video projectors in that area with a
combined original cost of well over 100k this was money well spent, and
we went back to using the cheapest fuel :-)

Hwyl!

M.

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