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I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping
fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards -- Tim Lamb |
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Tim Lamb wrote:
I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards Mineral oil perhaps? eg baby oil. IME takes a minute for primary expansion, but it goes on oozing slowly for 10-20 minutes. Temperature might have an effect - the above was 20C. HTH -- Tim Watts |
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Tim Lamb wrote:
I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards Varnish the ply and then spread a film of cheap grease on it including the holes. Unhelpfully, you possible need to leave it for a few hours. Maybe misting with some water might help to accelerate the cure? Try experimenting. Bob |
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On Nov 25, 10:05*pm, Tim Lamb wrote:
I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards oil of any sort, diesel. Leave overnight to expand fully. NT |
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On Nov 25, 10:05*pm, Tim Lamb wrote:
I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards -- Tim Lamb Clingfilm stops it sticking. Raid the wife's kitchen:-) When you start using a can, the foam expands a lot more than the final bit that comes out. Also in cold weather it expands a lot less and takes longer to go off. So, can't say, A skin forms on the outside first usually in about twenty minutes at room temps. The thicker it is the longer it takes. You can spray water at it to accelarate it but that affects appearance. It needs moisture to make it go off. But it still sticks to wet things. |
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On Nov 25, 10:05*pm, Tim Lamb wrote:
I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards -- Tim Lamb Or WD40. |
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, NT writes On Nov 25, 10:05*pm, Tim Lamb wrote: I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards oil of any sort, diesel. Leave overnight to expand fully. Hmmm... I think this is heading back to the *trim off the excess* route. Using cans rather than a professional gun, I need to empty the can before the foam sets in the nozzle. Now that the suppliers have learned to keep the nozzles under the counter, having a fresh one to screw on is not practical. There is about 40' of roof to do! I suppose I could purchase some commercial foam ridge seals. They are normally only 1 ukp each and comparable to tinned foam. Thanks to all. regards NT -- Tim Lamb |
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Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , NT writes On Nov 25, 10:05 pm, Tim Lamb wrote: I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards oil of any sort, diesel. Leave overnight to expand fully. Hmmm... I think this is heading back to the *trim off the excess* route. Using cans rather than a professional gun, I need to empty the can before the foam sets in the nozzle. Now that the suppliers have learned to keep the nozzles under the counter, having a fresh one to screw on is not practical. There is about 40' of roof to do! I suppose I could purchase some commercial foam ridge seals. They are normally only 1 ukp each and comparable to tinned foam. Thanks to all. Normally its squidge and trim. The foam cuts well with a fine bladed saw - tenon or crosscut. Or simply put a decorative fascia there to form most of the boundary and use little enough so it doesn't squidge at all. regards NT |
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pinkgrip drywall fixing foam only expands to double, not ten times,
i used it to temporarily fix ridges (for a few years?) and for loads of draughtproofing jobs On 25/11/11 22:05, Tim Lamb wrote: I suspect rain is blowing under the rather narrow steel ridge capping fitted to one of my barns. Second hand box section rolled steel sheeting was laid on top of an existing but leaky felted roof. I am now finding that water is making its a way under the steel roofing and through the felt. There are several possibilities... the sheets are secured with heavy duty roofing nails with a trapped plastic seal. The laps are screwed at 18" intervals but there is no mastic seal. The ridge cap is narrow so rainwater could splash and blow under. I have in mind to fabricate a template/former in 12mm ply to fit tightly to the roof sheet, pierced with holes to allow conventional canned expanding foam to be fed into the ridge and form a tidy seal. Freehand attempts leave an unsightly bulge and reveals large gas pockets when trimmed. How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Any other constructive thoughts? regards |
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:05:01 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Polyethylene film. Bin liner, whatever. Peels off the foam a treat. Thomas Prufer |
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In message , Thomas Prufer
writes On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:05:01 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote: How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Polyethylene film. Bin liner, whatever. Peels off the foam a treat. Yes. Cling film was suggested as well. On realising how long the cure/full expansion time is I decided to fall back to the *trim off the surplus* method. regards -- Tim Lamb |
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"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
... In message , Thomas Prufer writes On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:05:01 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote: How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Polyethylene film. Bin liner, whatever. Peels off the foam a treat. Yes. Cling film was suggested as well. On realising how long the cure/full expansion time is I decided to fall back to the *trim off the surplus* method. regards Tim, for trimming when hardened, a 12" hacksaw blade with a handle made from gaffa tape wrapped round one end works well. AWEM |
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In message , Andrew Mawson
writes "Tim Lamb" wrote in message .. . In message , Thomas Prufer writes On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:05:01 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote: How do I stop the foam sticking to the plywood? And, how long does it take before full expansion is reached? Polyethylene film. Bin liner, whatever. Peels off the foam a treat. Yes. Cling film was suggested as well. On realising how long the cure/full expansion time is I decided to fall back to the *trim off the surplus* method. regards Tim, for trimming when hardened, a 12" hacksaw blade with a handle made from gaffa tape wrapped round one end works well. There is already one in the rule pocket of my overalls:-) regards -- Tim Lamb |
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On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:20:20 -0000, Andrew Mawson wrote:
Tim, for trimming when hardened, a 12" hacksaw blade with a handle made from gaffa tape wrapped round one end works well. You don't have a proper pad saw handle? http://mysite.verizon.net/timetrvlr/eclip2.JPE -- Cheers Dave. |
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In message o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 10:20:20 -0000, Andrew Mawson wrote: Tim, for trimming when hardened, a 12" hacksaw blade with a handle made from gaffa tape wrapped round one end works well. You don't have a proper pad saw handle? http://mysite.verizon.net/timetrvlr/eclip2.JPE I do but only for a 12" blade. My rule pocket knife (and I guess Andrew's) is made from the much stronger power hacksaw blades:-) regards -- Tim Lamb |
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On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:48:32 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote: My rule pocket knife (and I guess Andrew's) is made from the much stronger power hacksaw blades:-) Those are excellent jobber's knives. |
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