I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to find
on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places that
offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

Jim

the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to find
on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places that
offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision for
it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.

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On 19/08/2011 20:52, the_constructor wrote:
I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to find
on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places that
offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

Jim


I was trained in less than a day by an elctrical engineer working for a
County Council. The important questions revolved around correct fusing
of a plug, wiring a plug and knowing the difference between Class I and
Class II appliances. The most useful part of the course when we were
given test oieces of equipment, most of which would fail and most drove
home the point that the visual inspection was the most important part of
the test.
Malcolm

A.Lee wrote:
the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying
to find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of
places that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision
for it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.

I have not done the PAT testing course as it is of no use to me (although I
can use a PAT tester). However the correct procedure used by those that do
PAT testing is usually to just run their hands down the appliance flex and
then pass the appliance.

--
Adam

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
A.Lee wrote:
the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying
to find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of
places that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision
for it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.

I have not done the PAT testing course as it is of no use to me (although
I can use a PAT tester). However the correct procedure used by those that
do PAT testing is usually to just run their hands down the appliance flex
and then pass the appliance.

+ sit around drinking tea, as proven by security cameras at my (ex) place of
work.
(apologies for the 4 letter word).

Bus passes, free prescriptions etc etc, bloody marvellous.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:07:34 +0100, brass monkey wrote:

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
A.Lee wrote:
the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying
to find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of
places that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision
for it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.

I have not done the PAT testing course as it is of no use to me
(although I can use a PAT tester). However the correct procedure used
by those that do PAT testing is usually to just run their hands down
the appliance flex and then pass the appliance.

+ sit around drinking tea, as proven by security cameras at my (ex)
place of work.
(apologies for the 4 letter word).

Bus passes, free prescriptions etc etc, bloody marvellous.

Three weeks to go for bus pass...had free prescriptions for 18 months
though!



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http://www.mirrorservice.org

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brass monkey wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
A.Lee wrote:
the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying
to find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of
places that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision
for it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day
course, and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really
would be difficult to fail.

I have not done the PAT testing course as it is of no use to me
(although I can use a PAT tester). However the correct procedure
used by those that do PAT testing is usually to just run their hands
down the appliance flex and then pass the appliance.

+ sit around drinking tea, as proven by security cameras at my (ex)
place of work.
(apologies for the 4 letter word).

Nothing wrong with the 4 letter word. I am not the only person that enjoys
it.

Bus passes, free prescriptions etc etc, bloody marvellous.

You old git:-)

--
Adam

A.Lee wrote:

the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to
find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places
that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision for
it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.


Seconded - it is very easy...

As usual, the best approach is to get the guide book, read it twice before
the course, then concentrate on getting the most out of the instructor while
you have him for reality based questions, especially for all the edge cases
like "what tests are safe on IT equipment" and stuff like that.

And if you want a little diversion, ask him to name an instance of Class 0
equipment



--
Tim Watts

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
brass monkey wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
...
A.Lee wrote:
the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying
to find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of
places that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision
for it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day
course, and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really
would be difficult to fail.

I have not done the PAT testing course as it is of no use to me
(although I can use a PAT tester). However the correct procedure
used by those that do PAT testing is usually to just run their hands
down the appliance flex and then pass the appliance.

+ sit around drinking tea, as proven by security cameras at my (ex)
place of work.
(apologies for the 4 letter word).

Nothing wrong with the 4 letter word. I am not the only person that enjoys
it.

Yea, but what about work?

Bus passes, free prescriptions etc etc, bloody marvellous.

You old git:-)

Guilty as charged. I tell you what though, I'm sure we never saw modern
young ladies, like we do now, when i was 16
Most enjoyable.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
A.Lee wrote:

the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to
find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places
that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision for
it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.


Seconded - it is very easy...

As usual, the best approach is to get the guide book, read it twice before
the course, then concentrate on getting the most out of the instructor
while
you have him for reality based questions, especially for all the edge
cases
like "what tests are safe on IT equipment" and stuff like that.

And if you want a little diversion, ask him to name an instance of Class 0
equipment


Old brass lamp holder wired with figure 8 type cable ?

On Aug 19, 8:52*pm, "the_constructor"
wrote:
I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to find
on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places that
offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

Jim

Most faults in Portable Appliances revolve around the flex.
Taped joints in flex? Flex joining/extending devices.
Very long flexes?
Replacement under/oversized flexes.
Cable reels.
Degree of wear in flexes.
Cord grips.
Is it a foolproof device? Answer is no.

I wouldn't worry too much.
The PAT tester is the idiots device. It just automatically performs
tests that can be readily perfromed with other cheaper kit. It's a
bit quicker if there are lots of appliances to test.
The difference being no knowledge is required to use it. Something
passes or it fails.
The clever bit is understanding why it fails (if it does) & how to fix
it.

On 19/08/2011 22:26, A.Lee wrote:
wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to find
on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places that
offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision for
it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.

An understanding of voltage and current, ohms law, and basic principles
of a transformer and fuse is all that's really required before reading
the IEE code of practice manual.

I paid for a course at Able in Kent, which was the first chance I got to
see, and use, the do everything tester kit that PAT testers carry around
to test various classes of equipment. A little practical assessment test
was done as part of the PAT course structure Able run, which dots the
i's and crosses the t's with regard to the C&G certificate (well, they
said..?)

I scored 100% and walked out of the exam room 3/4 hours early.

Thankfully, I didn't become one of the many monkeys running about doing
bulk PAT and stickering, paid by the plugtop. I do much more exciting stuff.

--
Adrian C

Why would one actually need a course for it, after all most of the test gear
almost operates itself. I'm surprised they have not given monkeys some jobs
doing this..
Brian

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"the_constructor" wrote in message
o.uk...
I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to find
on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places that
offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

Jim

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
Three weeks to go for bus pass...had free prescriptions for 18 months
though!

Best thing about a bus pass is winding up those just too young to have one.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
Three weeks to go for bus pass...had free prescriptions for 18 months
though!

Best thing about a bus pass is winding up those just too young to
have one.

It is 20 years since I last caught a bus or train.

--
Adam

In article ,
ARWadsworth wrote:
Best thing about a bus pass is winding up those just too young to
have one.

It is 20 years since I last caught a bus or train.

You'll find reasons to when you get a pass.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message m, brass
monkey wrote

+ sit around drinking tea, as proven by security cameras at my (ex) place of
work.

And stick a "dangerous appliance" sticker on new equipment because they
are too blind to see the label that the equipment has been registered in
the company system.

Or even more helpful, test the equipment one day and cross it off the
list. In a busy lab environment the equipment now moves benches. The PAT
tester then find the equipment again and because he can no longer find
it on the outstanding list rips off the test label from the day before
and puts a dangerous appliance sticker ion it.



--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 20/08/2011 10:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
wrote:
Best thing about a bus pass is winding up those just too young to
have one.

It is 20 years since I last caught a bus or train.

You'll find reasons to when you get a pass.

Yep. I now regularly park on the edge of a town and get the bus in. It
usually drops me closer to the centre than I can park and there are no
parking charges. I'd not used a bus for decades before I got the pass.

Colin Bignell

In article ,
"Brian Gaff" writes:
Why would one actually need a course for it, after all most of the test gear
almost operates itself. I'm surprised they have not given monkeys some jobs
doing this..

Most of the test failures cannot be picked up by the test gear.
So your comment perfectly illustrates why you need the training.

BTW, most of those who fail the exam are electricians.
You need a rudimentary understanding of ohms law, and to
understand the difference between megohms and milliohms,
and many of them struggled with that.

The course and exam is designed to be achieveable by
people who are not electricians, but have a rudimentary
understanding of ohms law and how to wire a plug. The
idea was very much that most commercial premises of any
moderate size would be likely to have someone on the staff
who would be capable of being trained to perform the PAT
testing so it can be done as and when required, and should
not require bringing in specialists.

If you do bring in electricians, you should verify that
the staff undertaking the testing have C&G 2377/02
certificates, as most electricians don't know how to do
it, in which case you're wasting your money, and possibly
worse. If you are responsible for managing or subcontracting
PAT testing, you should have C&G 2377/01 (in which case you
will know all of the above). Each of the above are usually
taken after at the end of a day's training, often together
(consecutive days) as there's a degree of overlap. HSE
recognise these as appropriate training for PAT testing.

Most companies who don't have someone with C&G 2377/01
organising their PAT testing do the testing far too often,
and rather ineffectively, which means they are spending too
much money on it and getting no benefit.

I defined the PAT procedures in an SME I worked for.
I later worked for a large finance company which also had
a superb PAT test procedure. However, most other companies
I've worked for are in the category of not knowing what
they're doing and having ineffective expensive processes.

And before someone pulls me up on it, yes I know it's not
called PAT testing, but everyone will know what I mean,
whereas they won't if I use the right name.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In article ,
Tim Watts writes:
A.Lee wrote:

the_constructor wrote:

I am soon to do a PAT Testing course, but before I do, I was trying to
find on the internet, some sample questions. I can find loads of places
that offer courses etc but no questions.

Can someone please point me in the right direction.

C&G 2377?
Considering that the pass rate is around 99%, I think anyone with a
slight bit of electrical knowledge does not need to do any revision for
it.
People who have no previous experience pass it after the 2 day course,
and being as it is multi-choice, open book, then it really would be
difficult to fail.


Seconded - it is very easy...

As usual, the best approach is to get the guide book, read it twice before
the course, then concentrate on getting the most out of the instructor while
you have him for reality based questions, especially for all the edge cases
like "what tests are safe on IT equipment" and stuff like that.

Also look for a course where you can get your hands on a variety of
different testers, particularly if you will be buying one afterwards.
Different testers are best for different things (e.g. IT equipment,
verses hand tools), and different rates of testing (e.g. occasional,
verses continuous).

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In message , ARWadsworth
writes
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
Three weeks to go for bus pass...had free prescriptions for 18 months
though!

Best thing about a bus pass is winding up those just too young to
have one.

It is 20 years since I last caught a bus or train.

Heavy, aren't they?......



--
Bill

On Aug 20, 10:58*am, (Andrew Gabriel)
wrote:

The
idea was very much that most commercial premises of any
moderate size would be likely to have someone on the staff
who would be capable of being trained to perform the PAT
testing so it can be done as and when required, and should
not require bringing in specialists.

My last employer (big dumb IT corporate) just couldn't get its head
round that idea. We wanted someone (and we even had a PFY who'd be
perfect) who was permanently on-site and could handle ad hoc PAT as it
came up. Instead we signed up a ridiculous per-plugtop deal with a
tester based at head office's hometown, who might show up every few
months. Then everything had to be dismantled and made ready for them
beforehand, usually involving half the office being without a computer
for a day or even longer.

They also insisted that every PC and its cable had to be paired for
testing, which meant massive disorganisation as everything was
unplugged from desks and cableways, then carried across the office to
be piled up ready. Stupid.

Andrew Gabriel wrote:


Also look for a course where you can get your hands on a variety of
different testers, particularly if you will be buying one afterwards.
Different testers are best for different things (e.g. IT equipment,
verses hand tools), and different rates of testing (e.g. occasional,
verses continuous).


+1

A lot of the lads on mine were discussing the best testers, ranging from a
"pass/fail" to a full on proper PC linkable unit.

If the instructor turns up with a hand cranked Megger and a box of wire
wound rheostats, muttering something about Wheatstone bridges, run away!
--
Tim Watts

the_constructor wrote:


"Tim Watts" wrote in message

And if you want a little diversion, ask him to name an instance of Class
0 equipment


Old brass lamp holder wired with figure 8 type cable ?

That's one.

There is another, that I guarantee *everyone* here over the age of about 30-
mumble years, has had their hands on, when they were a kid...


--
Tim Watts

Owain wrote:

On Aug 20, 2:08 pm, Tim Watts wrote:
And if you want a little diversion, ask him to name an instance of
Class 0 equipment
Old brass lamp holder wired with figure 8 type cable ?
That's one.
There is another, that I guarantee *everyone* here over the age of about
30- mumble years, has had their hands on, when they were a kid...

Xmas lights?

Ah ah.

You also win a prize sir.

The definition of Class 0 is "basic insulation only" as opposed to double
insulation, reinforced insulation or parts in a class 1 enclosure. Fairy
lights were a common example of the era, though it did actually tak ethe
bloke a while to come up with that.

My fault... The book mentioned Class 0 but didn't really describe it - so I
asked.

If you look at modern fairy lights, they are in fact double insulated even
though the flex looks much for much the same.

Oh - how we nearly all died :-0


Extremely dodgy model train controller? (might be class 01)

Possibly... Mine had a sheathed flex.
--
Tim Watts

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Owain
saying something like:

Extremely dodgy model train controller? (might be class 01)

Class 00 surely?

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:51:08 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Owain
saying something like:

Extremely dodgy model train controller? (might be class 01)

Class 00 surely?

HO HO
--
Rod

"polygonum" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:51:08 +0100, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Owain
saying something like:

Extremely dodgy model train controller? (might be class 01)

Class 00 surely?

HO HO

O dear.

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
[snip]

And before someone pulls me up on it, yes I know it's not
called PAT testing, but everyone will know what I mean,
whereas they won't if I use the right name.

Just wondering if your credit card has a PIN number?

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:37:54 +0000 (UTC), Steve Firth
wrote:

Andrew Gabriel wrote:
[snip]

And before someone pulls me up on it, yes I know it's not
called PAT testing, but everyone will know what I mean,
whereas they won't if I use the right name.

Just wondering if your credit card has a PIN number?

Or your multimeter has an AC current range? :-)

--
Frank Erskine

On 20/08/2011 10:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You'll find reasons to when you get a pass.

"The traffic in London is B**** awful" serves me. Then there's the "two
pints and you're banned" one... I use trains several times a year.

Andy

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:21:22 +0100, Andy Champ wrote:

On 20/08/2011 10:07, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You'll find reasons to when you get a pass.

"The traffic in London is B**** awful" serves me. Then there's the "two
pints and you're banned" one... I use trains several times a year.

Same here, particularly for trips into London. Last time I drove into
London was to get some stuff from Tim Watts...a nightmare what with all
the diversions due to road works!

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http://www.mirrorservice.org

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On 8/21/2011 1:37 PM, Steve Firth wrote:
Andrew wrote:
[snip]

And before someone pulls me up on it, yes I know it's not
called PAT testing, but everyone will know what I mean,
whereas they won't if I use the right name.

Just wondering if your credit card has a PIN number?

For use in an ATM machine?