Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

What is going on in the world?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

What is going on in the world?


When I hear H&S I reach for my hoody.......

:-)

On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Colin Bignell

Nightjar wrote:
On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion
to his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On
the relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states
'This leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not
compulsory but which you may find helpful in considering what you
need to do'. Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and
thus would be good practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap
in the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local
hospice. basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after
the morning cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is
at risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.


My parents next door neighbour was a joiner. He spent the summers working on
house roofs without suncream. When I was a child he was a fit bronzed man.

When he was 60 he developed skin cancer that was almost certainly caused by
the sun exposure. His last year of life was of the worst possible quality.


--
Adam

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:46:32 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

And I'd argue that suplying is less safe on the basis you don't know
what a given worker may be allergic (in the broadest sense) to. Much
better to encourage them to use their own that they know they won't
ahvea reaction to.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Agreed. How often to you see people obeying the "Now Wash Your Hands"
sign by dibbling their finger tips under a tap for two seconds and
then drying them?

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 18/08/2011 20:15, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:46:32 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

And I'd argue that suplying is less safe on the basis you don't know
what a given worker may be allergic (in the broadest sense) to. Much
better to encourage them to use their own that they know they won't
ahvea reaction to.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Agreed. How often to you see people obeying the "Now Wash Your Hands"
sign by dibbling their finger tips under a tap for two seconds and
then drying them?

Agreed. We have some of the most vulnerable people on the planet and
allowing infection to spread is not an option.

I worked for an NHS trust and was trained on how to wash my hands
effectively. The staff were very conscientious about it but sadly there
were quite a few emails detailing temporary ward closures due to infections.

In some environments it is necessary to wash up in deep very hot water.
I saw a nasty claim when someone had not been trained on which gloves to
use.

It is funny how many people think health and safety is a waste of time
until one of their loved ones is on the wrong end of something not done
properly.

"Hugh - Was Invisible" wrote in message
...


It is funny how many people think health and safety is a waste of time
until one of their loved ones is on the wrong end of something not done
properly.

H&S is fine.. its the idiots that use it as an excuse to not do something
that are the problem.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:50:40 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

H&S is fine.. its the idiots that use it as an excuse to not do
something that are the problem.

Or just tick the boxes on the risk assesment without paying any
thought other than it being a "box ticking excercise" as to what they
are actually doing, how the ticked boxes apply or are even relevant
in the real world.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:


"Hugh - Was Invisible" wrote in message
...


It is funny how many people think health and safety is a waste of time
until one of their loved ones is on the wrong end of something not
done properly.

H&S is fine.. its the idiots that use it as an excuse to not do
something that are the problem.

Hmm. Most H&S is more about protecting the employer than employee.

--
*How do you tell when you run out of invisible ink? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is
at risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Agreed. How often to you see people obeying the "Now Wash Your Hands"
sign by dibbling their finger tips under a tap for two seconds and
then drying them?

It used to really annoy me on location filming - people would go straight
into the lunch queue and then handle food without washing their hands.
After touching gawd knows what on the 'set'.

--
*Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...


It used to really annoy me on location filming - people would go straight
into the lunch queue and then handle food without washing their hands.
After touching gawd knows what on the 'set'.

Its not a problem, it just makes your immune system better and stops you
getting arthritis later when the immune system is bored and attacks healthy
cells.
Unless there is a real risk, washing is not actually such a good idea.

On Aug 19, 1:03*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in ...

It used to really annoy me on location filming - people would go straight
into the lunch queue and then handle food without washing their hands.
After touching gawd knows what on the 'set'.

Its not a problem, it just makes your immune system better and stops you
getting arthritis later when the immune system is bored and attacks healthy
cells.

That's fine for you. What about third parties who don't have such a
robust immune system?

MBQ

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...


It used to really annoy me on location filming - people would go
straight into the lunch queue and then handle food without washing
their hands. After touching gawd knows what on the 'set'.

Its not a problem, it just makes your immune system better and stops you
getting arthritis later when the immune system is bored and attacks
healthy cells. Unless there is a real risk, washing is not actually
such a good idea.

You've not seen some of the locations I've filmed in.

--
*Would a fly without wings be called a walk?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Aug 19, 1:03*pm, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in ...

It used to really annoy me on location filming - people would go straight
into the lunch queue and then handle food without washing their hands.
After touching gawd knows what on the 'set'.

Its not a problem, it just makes your immune system better and stops you
getting arthritis later when the immune system is bored and attacks healthy
cells.
Unless there is a real risk, washing is not actually such a good idea.

That's rubbish, and with all due respect Dennis, the sort of comment
that this group have come to expect from you. You should really think
about what you are writing.

Let me explain why I'm saying that from a very recent experience. I
went the other day to advise a friend on the wiring in an elderly
property he is refurbishing. We had to go into the attic on a ladder
and we also had to go down into the 5 ft high cavity under the house
(water lying on the concrete!) - again on a ladder. We went for a cup
o' tea and a biccy afterwards and 4 hours later I had a nasty stomach
upset - I forgot to wash my hands which hadn't collected any visible
dirt; stupid bugger me.

OK the upset was brief, but totally avoidable. Won't do that again.
Hand washing is essential and the lack of it is the normal cause of
all intestinal upsets.

Rob

Dave Liquorice wrote:

How often to you see people obeying the "Now Wash Your Hands"
sign by dibbling their finger tips under a tap for two seconds and
then drying them?

Or signs on the back of doors asking you to consider how many people
haven't washed their hands, so what are you supposed to do, stand there
avoiding pulling the assumed dirty handle, until some else opens the
door from the outside?

"Dave Liquorice" wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:46:32 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

And I'd argue that suplying is less safe on the basis you don't know
what a given worker may be allergic (in the broadest sense) to. Much
better to encourage them to use their own that they know they won't
ahvea reaction to.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Agreed. How often to you see people obeying the "Now Wash Your Hands"
sign by dibbling their finger tips under a tap for two seconds and
then drying them?

Whenever I eat in a restaurant I wonder why I bother washing my hands, when
the exit doors are almost always pull doors. So anyone who hasn't washed
their hands leaves god knows what on the handle to go on my hands when I
open the door.

Is there a good reason for the doors being this way round - I'd have
thought it made more sense to pull the door open going in, then push on the
way out, so you can avoid touching dirty surfaces.

On 19 Aug 2011 07:39:47 GMT, Simon Finnigan wrote:

"Dave Liquorice" wrote:
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:46:32 +0100, Nightjar wrote:

Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

And I'd argue that suplying is less safe on the basis you don't know
what a given worker may be allergic (in the broadest sense) to. Much
better to encourage them to use their own that they know they won't
ahvea reaction to.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Agreed. How often to you see people obeying the "Now Wash Your Hands"
sign by dibbling their finger tips under a tap for two seconds and
then drying them?

Whenever I eat in a restaurant I wonder why I bother washing my hands, when
the exit doors are almost always pull doors. So anyone who hasn't washed
their hands leaves god knows what on the handle to go on my hands when I
open the door.

Is there a good reason for the doors being this way round - I'd have
thought it made more sense to pull the door open going in, then push on the
way out, so you can avoid touching dirty surfaces.

Many of them open in to a corridor or there are people passing anyway, so
SPLAT!
I can open most of these doors without touching the handle.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Aug 18, 7:46*pm, Nightjar
wrote:
On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice..
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Colin Bignell

Very well put.

MBQ

On Aug 19, 2:43*pm, "Man at B&Q" wrote:
On Aug 18, 7:46*pm, Nightjar
wrote:





On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:

Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Colin Bignell

Very well put.

MBQ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The worst transmitter of disease is probably the low temperature
clothes wash.

harry wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:43 pm, "Man at B&Q" wrote:
On Aug 18, 7:46 pm, Nightjar
wrote:





On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.
The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.
Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.
Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.
He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.
Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.
Colin Bignell
Very well put.

MBQ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The worst transmitter of disease is probably the low temperature
clothes wash.
No, its 'organic' food.

"harry" wrote in message
...


The worst transmitter of disease is probably the low temperature
clothes wash.

Well 60C isn't going to kill bugs and 90C will ruin the clothes and still
wont kill the bugs.

On 18/08/2011 19:46, Nightjar wrote:
On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

The trouble is that he may not be required to, but like the highway code
not being the law, unless you follow the "guidance" you leave yourself
open to being prosecuted or sued.

In this case, it is quite feasible that as the HSE has given guidance,
not following it to the letter, could lead to his "lack of care" being
used against him if one of his employees later developed skin cancer. It
may not, in itself, be a serious H&S "failing," but it could very easily
be a piece of ammunition, added to other "failings."

Much like PAT. It was only ever intended to address equipment that is
regularly moved around and used in hostile environments and there is no
requirement at all for normal office equipment to be so tested. You can
however bet that if a brand new piece of equipment did electrocute
someone, one of the first questions asked would be "was it tested?" and
the first port of call would be to look at prosecuting the company
directors or similar!

SteveW

--- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to ---

On 21/08/2011 21:57, Steve Walker wrote:
On 18/08/2011 19:46, Nightjar wrote:
On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

The trouble is that he may not be required to, but like the highway code
not being the law, unless you follow the "guidance" you leave yourself
open to being prosecuted or sued.

In this case, it is quite feasible that as the HSE has given guidance,
not following it to the letter, could lead to his "lack of care" being
used against him if one of his employees later developed skin cancer. It
may not, in itself, be a serious H&S "failing," but it could very easily
be a piece of ammunition, added to other "failings."

Much like PAT. It was only ever intended to address equipment that is
regularly moved around and used in hostile environments and there is no
requirement at all for normal office equipment to be so tested. You can
however bet that if a brand new piece of equipment did electrocute
someone, one of the first questions asked would be "was it tested?" and
the first port of call would be to look at prosecuting the company
directors or similar!

All too true.

I had a contract maintaining student accommodation for a couple of
years, good little earner.

Things changed, multinational FM company took over, I had to move on.

Two things are now apparent.

The standard of service has dropped drastically. Things like 'broken
socket/switch', 'loose/dripping tap', 'broken lock' now have to be dealt
with by qualified electricians, plumbers & locksmiths which means they
are often left for several weeks until a decent list of jobs builds up.
Or they are treated as emergencies & invoke high call out charges.

I sorted them there & then.

The site manager now spends most of his time monitoring water
temperatures, air quality & stuff - all to cover the arse of the MNFMC -
but the students now moan about lack of maintenance.






--
Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 18/08/2011 23:08, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
Nightjar wrote:

On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On
the relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states
'This leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory
but which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be
good practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local
hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is
at risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Even though SWMBO washes up much more than I do, I can't train her not
to use dish-rags to wipe stuff "clean" in the washing up water. You
know, those cloths full of food particles that are then left wet and
scrunched up on the counter. To be fair, she does boil them in bleach
from time to time, but the real answer is to use a dish brush, that you
have some hope of keeping clean.

My other half is a H&S professional who used to audit kitchens. I
recently suggested to her that the permanently damp sponge we use to
wipe the kitchen surfaces etc really is not a very good idea!
Time to buy some disposable wipers me thinks.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:08:47 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

In article ,
Nightjar wrote:

On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion
to his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be
good practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap
in the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local
hospice. basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after
the morning cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is
at risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Even though SWMBO washes up much more than I do, I can't train her not
to use dish-rags to wipe stuff "clean" in the washing up water. You
know, those cloths full of food particles that are then left wet and
scrunched up on the counter. To be fair, she does boil them in bleach
from time to time, but the real answer is to use a dish brush, that you
have some hope of keeping clean.

We don't have dish rags. But when mother-in-law comes to visit she always
buys us one...



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On Aug 18, 11:08*pm, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,





*Nightjar wrote:
On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Wrong, of course, like so many stories about H&S. What he is *advised*
to do, is to *encourage* outdoor workers to keep covered up during the
summer months and to apply SPF 15 sunscreen to any exposed skin. On the
relevant leaflet, (HSE leaflet INDG337) it quite clearly states 'This
leaflet contains notes on good practice which are not compulsory but
which you may find helpful in considering what you need to do'.
Supplying sun screen would count as encouragement and thus would be good
practice, but he is not actually required to do so.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Seems reasonable to me, given that the health of vulnerable people is at
risk. Most people do not even know how to wash their own hands for
maximum hygiene without being instructed.

Even though SWMBO washes up much more than I do, I can't train her not
to use dish-rags to wipe stuff "clean" in the washing up water. You
know, those cloths full of food particles that are then left wet and
scrunched up on the counter. To be fair, she does boil them in bleach
from time to time, but the real answer is to use a dish brush, that you
have some hope of keeping clean.

--
Tim


The most hygenic way to wash dishes is with a dish washer which uses
temperatures and chemicals you couldn't use in a hand wash.

On the other hand, excessive hygene is a likely cause of all these
allergies we see in children these days..

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
...
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to his
5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

What is going on in the world?

I used to be a contractor to a big chemical factory.
I mentioned to the Chief Engineer that the place looked cleaner.
He said that they were all doing NVQs on sweeping up; his look stopped me
giggling.
The place is heavy engineering and is a very dangerous place to work in.

On 18/08/2011 18:39, The Medway Handyman wrote:
Met a bloke I haven't seen for a while, used to run a brick laying
business. Now retired, fed up will all the rules & regs.

The last straw was when he was told he had to supply sun tan lotion to
his 5 brickies in case they got sun burned at work.

Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

What is going on in the world?



It's basically one of two things:

1) nonsense invented by companies who have no actual knowledge of what
the law requires, but think they are being super-compliant ( and by
being so focussed on their own incorrect interpretation of the law, may
actually be non-compliant! )

2) basically they don't want to do something, so they dress it up in HSE
red tape and claim it's not possible, blaming it on HSE.

--
Ron

In article , Ron Lowe
wrote:
What is going on in the world?



It's basically one of two things:

1) nonsense invented by companies who have no actual
knowledge of what the law requires, but think they are
being super-compliant ( and by being so focussed on
their own incorrect interpretation of the law, may
actually be non-compliant! )

2) basically they don't want to do something, so they
dress it up in HSE red tape and claim it's not possible,
blaming it on HSE.

R I P, sadly missed . . . www.hse.gov.uk/myth/dec10.htm

Some good ones.

John

--
John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public

On Aug 18, 6:39*pm, The Medway Handyman
wrote:
Recounting this story to another bloke at the local BM, retired chap in
the queue mentioned he volunteered for an hour a day in a local hospice.
basically just chatted to people & did the washing up after the morning
cuppa.

He has now been told he has to go on a course about 'washing up'.

Tell him to jump at the chance. A food hygiene certificate is a damned
useful piece of paper these days and well worth acquiring. It comes in
handy for people who want to run all sorts of voluntary stuff
involving catering.

Some years back, when such stuff was first coming in, I was on the
management committee of a local homeless shelter (yes, really). This
was run day-to-day by a couple of paid staff, a couple of paid casuals
overnight (often the same people) and lots of volunteers. It involved
cooking too - often in a sort of "Extreme Ready Steady Cook" fashion,
where you had zero notice of what free ingredients would have been
scrounged up that day, and what you were going to do with them (in
extremis, _anything_ can be curried).

It was _very_ useful to have such certificates. Many people (which
mostly meant the young students) were well-meaning, but not a bloody
clue when it came to basic food handling. If someone said "I cooked
all the way through the War and my Woolton Pie cooked in the bottom of
an Anderson shelter never hurt anyone" they were probably right, but
for every one like that who knew what they were doing, you had a dozen
who didn't. Management of many groups, especially when you're working
with transient volunteers, has to be able to cope with the average
person, who is necessarily average.

A friend of mine wrangles the paperwork for local env health issues,
and yes, horror stories abound. Even someone who runs a restaurant
doesn't necessarily have a clue how to do it.

Andy Dingley wrote:
It was _very_ useful to have such certificates. Many people (which
mostly meant the young students) were well-meaning, but not a bloody
clue when it came to basic food handling.

I've come to the conclusion that as well as the remedial maths and
english lessons universies now have, they should also teach basic
housekeeping: how to cook, what a washing machine is, which end of
a vaccuum cleaner is which, etc.

How on earth can somebody be alive for 18 years without ever
picking up any ability to keep themselves alive?

JGH

jgharston wrote:
Andy Dingley wrote:
It was _very_ useful to have such certificates. Many people (which
mostly meant the young students) were well-meaning, but not a bloody
clue when it came to basic food handling.

I've come to the conclusion that as well as the remedial maths and
english lessons universies now have, they should also teach basic
housekeeping: how to cook, what a washing machine is, which end of
a vaccuum cleaner is which, etc.

How on earth can somebody be alive for 18 years without ever
picking up any ability to keep themselves alive?


By having a mother and a social worker.

JGH