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On 19/07/2011 14:37, Nightjar wrote:
It is a very long time since I bought a second hand car, but my experience then was that the manufacturer's dealership gave excellent service and a good guarantee. Of course, it may depend upon the manufacturer. And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! Andy |
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On 19/07/2011 20:53, Andy Champ wrote:
On 19/07/2011 14:37, Nightjar wrote: It is a very long time since I bought a second hand car, but my experience then was that the manufacturer's dealership gave excellent service and a good guarantee. Of course, it may depend upon the manufacturer. And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! No problem. Colin Bignell |
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote :
And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. -- Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on', Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com |
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Tony Bryer wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. You did 3 years on one set of tyres? -- Adam |
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On 20/07/2011 13:17, ARWadsworth wrote:
Tony wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. You did 3 years on one set of tyres? Why not? The average life of a tyre is 50,000 km - 31,000 miles, the average UK motorist drives 9,628 miles per annum. Colin Bignell |
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Nightjar wrote:
On 20/07/2011 13:17, ARWadsworth wrote: Tony wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. You did 3 years on one set of tyres? Why not? The average life of a tyre is 50,000 km - 31,000 miles, the average UK motorist drives 9,628 miles per annum. Not with the rear tyres lasting 2 or 3 times longer that the front ones on a front wheel drive car -- Adam |
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Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar wrote: On 20/07/2011 13:17, ARWadsworth wrote: Tony wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. You did 3 years on one set of tyres? Why not? The average life of a tyre is 50,000 km - 31,000 miles, the average UK motorist drives 9,628 miles per annum. Had our C4 for 3 years and 3 months, 34k miles, still on original tyres. Got 50K miles in 9 years out of Defender M+S tyres. |
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On Jul 20, 3:07*pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Tim Streater wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: On 20/07/2011 13:17, ARWadsworth wrote: Tony *wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. *I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. You did 3 years on one set of tyres? Why not? The average life of a tyre is 50,000 km - 31,000 miles, the average UK motorist drives 9,628 miles per annum. Had our C4 for 3 years and 3 months, 34k miles, still on original tyres.. Got 50K miles in 9 years out of Defender M+S tyres. Those were not just any tyres... |
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On 20/07/2011 15:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Tim Streater wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: On 20/07/2011 13:17, ARWadsworth wrote: Tony wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. You did 3 years on one set of tyres? Why not? The average life of a tyre is 50,000 km - 31,000 miles, the average UK motorist drives 9,628 miles per annum. Had our C4 for 3 years and 3 months, 34k miles, still on original tyres. Got 50K miles in 9 years out of Defender M+S tyres. How much of that was on hard surfaces though? Colin Bignell |
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On 20/07/11 15:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Tim Streater wrote: In article , Nightjar wrote: Why not? The average life of a tyre is 50,000 km - 31,000 miles, the average UK motorist drives 9,628 miles per annum. Had our C4 for 3 years and 3 months, 34k miles, still on original tyres. Got 50K miles in 9 years out of Defender M+S tyres. Just changed the front tyres on my Twingo: 100,000km in 11 years. The rear pair show little sign of wear. I've only owned three cars in 40 years. The first I bought new; after five years it was rusting and needed expensive repairs so I got rid of it. The second did a 80,000km in three years before being written off in by a hit-and-run. The insurance co. paid market value which was 30% more than I paid for it. The Twingo I've had 13 years and has just completed the annual trip o Italy without mishap. I've had good value from second-hand cars. -- djc |
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Tony Bryer wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. That 1500 quid remained constant over 18 years? I find that hard to believe. However, many would prefer to spend the new cost of something like a Jazz on a better secondhand car. Or buy one of your castoffs at a 4500 saving. You can buy a lot of tyres etc for that. -- *It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes In article , Tony Bryer wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. That 1500 quid remained constant over 18 years? I find that hard to believe. However, many would prefer to spend the new cost of something like a Jazz on a better secondhand car. Or buy one of your castoffs at a 4500 saving. You can buy a lot of tyres etc for that. Bought an ex-demonstrator Land Rover Defender last year. 3 months old 10 (ten) miles on the clock, never been out the showroom and saved about £4.5K -- hugh |
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hugh wrote:
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes In article , Tony Bryer wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. That 1500 quid remained constant over 18 years? I find that hard to believe. However, many would prefer to spend the new cost of something like a Jazz on a better secondhand car. Or buy one of your castoffs at a 4500 saving. You can buy a lot of tyres etc for that. Bought an ex-demonstrator Land Rover Defender last year. 3 months old 10 (ten) miles on the clock, never been out the showroom and saved about £4.5K Well done! |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:27:53 +1000, Tony Bryer
wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. That amount of depreciation is exceptionally small. It would be much more on a larger car, for example. -- (\__/) M. (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by everyone you will need use a different method of posting. |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:28:20 +0100 Mark wrote :
My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. That amount of depreciation is exceptionally small. It would be much more on a larger car, for example. Yes, or if you bought a French car or if you chose to spend a lot on options. I'm always suspicious of the retained value figures quoted for cars like Audis and BMWs given that AIUI spending several thousand pounds on options is the norm so price actually paid is a lot more than list, whilst for other makes discounting is the norm. -- Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on', Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com |
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Mark wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:27:53 +1000, Tony Bryer wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:53:43 +0100 Andy Champ wrote : And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! My last six cars in the UK were bought new and changed at 3 years. On my Honda Jazz the cost to change (for an identical one) was £4500 - so £1500pa. no MOT, repairs, tyres, battery or exhaust replacements and very reasonable servicing. No hassle is worth paying for IMO. And I have a 16 year old Honda Civic that has only ever needed a few repairs. That amount of depreciation is exceptionally small. It would be much more on a larger car, for example. The Jazz is probably one of the best cars when it comes to depreciation (from a buy it new owners point of view). -- Adam |
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In message , Andy Champ
writes On 19/07/2011 14:37, Nightjar wrote: It is a very long time since I bought a second hand car, but my experience then was that the manufacturer's dealership gave excellent service and a good guarantee. Of course, it may depend upon the manufacturer. And I've never bought a new car. I rely on guys like you to take the initial depreciation hit - thanks! Andy Bought as second hand pick-up recently. First authorised dealer was dreadful - wouldn't touch with proverbial barge pole. 2nd authorised dealer excellent. Remainder of manufacturers initial warranty plus their own warranty, and serviced before collection. -- hugh |
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hugh ] wrote: Bought as second hand pick-up recently. First authorised dealer was dreadful - wouldn't touch with proverbial barge pole. 2nd authorised dealer excellent. Remainder of manufacturers initial warranty plus their own warranty, and serviced before collection. Sort of proves my point. You found 50% of main dealers dreadful. And of course those living in some areas may not have a choice of their dealer. My main dealer was incompetent, dishonest and rude. All that while charging well over 100 quid an hour labour - and parts at full prices. The worrying thing is complaints to the car maker brought no help whatsoever. Which suggests they are so used to complaints they can't be bothered investigating them. -- *Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Jul 20, 3:25 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , hugh ] wrote: Bought as second hand pick-up recently. First authorised dealer was dreadful - wouldn't touch with proverbial barge pole. 2nd authorised dealer excellent. Remainder of manufacturers initial warranty plus their own warranty, and serviced before collection. Sort of proves my point. You found 50% of main dealers dreadful. And of ourse those living in some areas may not have a choice of their dealer. My main dealer was incompetent, dishonest and rude. All that while charging well over 100 quid an hour labour - and parts at full prices. The worrying thing is complaints to the car maker brought no help whatsoever. Which suggests they are so used to complaints they can't be bothered investigating them. My main dealer experience too - e.g. I insisted on a 4wheel alignment check to sort a niggly steering drift issue on a 2yr old motor - which they had to sub out, they charged my co. for it no and said it was all OK but twas no better. I asked to see the report from the suby aligners and when they eventually showed me it said "cannot complete as XS play in OSF ??? joint - needs replacing" (Can;t remember which joint). FFS! e.g.2 they then squirmed about fixing the gearbox under warranty so much I changed dealers who put a "new" genuine recon one in with no argument whatsoever. Jim K |
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, Jim K wrote: My main dealer was incompetent, dishonest and rude. All that while charging well over 100 quid an hour labour - and parts at full prices. The worrying thing is complaints to the car maker brought no help whatsoever. Which suggests they are so used to complaints they can't be bothered investigating them. My main dealer experience too - e.g. I insisted on a 4wheel alignment check to sort a niggly steering drift issue on a 2yr old motor - which they had to sub out, they charged my co. for it no and said it was all OK but twas no better. I asked to see the report from the suby aligners and when they eventually showed me it said "cannot complete as XS play in OSF ??? joint - needs replacing" (Can;t remember which joint). FFS! e.g.2 they then squirmed about fixing the gearbox under warranty so much I changed dealers who put a "new" genuine recon one in with no argument whatsoever. Perhaps the most telling thing about mine was after buying a 2 year old BMW from them - who they'd supplied and serviced from new - I thought the handbrake poor. Not a big deal since it's an auto. But it did have a 100 and something point check, according to the blurb. It failed its first MOT on the handbrake. I decided to take a look. The adjuster on one side was jammed solid on the back stop. Must have been like this from new - not seized through rust or whatever, just so tight it wouldn't move. Removed it and put it in the vice. Once started moving, it turned easily. On re-assembly, and trying to adjust the shoes correctly, found the cable on that side wound up in an attempt to compensate. Which is a nice easy adjustment to get at. Re-set everything by the book and it was fine. At each and every service, the brakes are meant to be checked. I'd also asked for it to be fixed under warranty. Just one of the many things with that dealer and the next one operating out of the same premises. As soon as the BMW warranty ran out I used an independant. Who is pretty good. Unusually. -- *I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 18:53:34 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Jim K wrote: My main dealer was incompetent, dishonest and rude. All that while charging well over 100 quid an hour labour - and parts at full prices. Perhaps the most telling thing about mine was after buying a 2 year old BMW from them - who they'd supplied and serviced from new - I thought the handbrake poor. Not a big deal since it's an auto. But it did have a 100 and something point check, according to the blurb. It failed its first MOT on the handbrake. Luck of the drawer with dealers I suppose. The other halfs car developed a niggling fault fortunately before the manufactures warranty runs out next month. An Oil burning smell which looked like and indeed turned out to be a very small leak from a gasket dripping onto the exhaust. Booked it in and also mentioned that I was not happy with the clutch action even though mileage is not excessive and that the engine /feel of the car just did not feel as smooth as I remembered it. The receptionist warned me that should the clutch turnout to be fair wear and tear it would be chargeable but it was stated in a friendly manner and with no hint that result would almost be a foregone conclusion. Next morning they rang and said they had found the leak, which would be cured. The mechanic had diagnosed the loss of smoothness down to a dual mass flywheel which was playing up so this would also be a warranty covered repair and as they had to go that far with the dismantling they would also do the clutch under warranty, as it was not possible to apportion if the wear was down to driving style or the flywheel problem or both. I think it was quite a good diagnosis as the OH has since said she had recently had difficulty getting into first and was often pulling away in 2nd. They also found a small leak on the water pump which I had not noticed and did that as a warranty replacement without prompting. As this was all in the final weeks of warranty I did wonder if they might have put up some resistance (thinking why didn't they bring it in earlier) but there was no hint of that at all. This was the MINI half of a BMW dealership. G.Harman |
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