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A friend of mine's new iPad 2 arrived at his house today. He unpacked
it, tried to connect to his wifi and rang me. Many hours ago. I've logged in remotely to his machine and checked the router settings all seem OK. It's a Netgear router on Virgin cable with wpa wireless security set. Another friend of his called round to see him with her iPhone and iPad1. The iPhone seemed to connect immediately, the iPad1 didn't. After a long struggle without changing anything, the 2 iPads appeared with IP addresses on his router and sort of worked, but had difficulty connecting to many things in a meaningful way. Google finds many, many complaints about iPad 2's and wifi. I've read through their support docs on the net, but they are all pretty basic. For a long time the iPad saw the router by name (and didn't see any other routers), but wouldn't accept the correct password. This seems to be a common complaint. We tried doing it automatically and setting up WPA manually as the security protocol. I'm going to have to go over there taking inSSIDer in a few days to check that his router isn't on the same wifi channel as a neighbour etc., but wondered if anyone here had any insight. The ipad says it supports a,b,g and n networking, whereas his router is only b & g but some of the complaints suggest switching to g only. He has got over the mains networking as well, which he needs for various systems in his big thick-walled old house. Is this likely to interfere with his wifi? He will visit the nearest Apple store tomorrow. I've advised him to be wary of being sold anything more. So far, from a distance, I'm unimpressed. Can anyone throw any light into my darkness. -- Bill |
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On 21/06/2011 11:54 PM, Bill wrote:
A friend of mine's new iPad 2 arrived at his house today. He unpacked it, tried to connect to his wifi and rang me. Many hours ago. I've logged in remotely to his machine and checked the router settings all seem OK. It's a Netgear router on Virgin cable with wpa wireless security set. Another friend of his called round to see him with her iPhone and iPad1. The iPhone seemed to connect immediately, the iPad1 didn't. After a long struggle without changing anything, the 2 iPads appeared with IP addresses on his router and sort of worked, but had difficulty connecting to many things in a meaningful way. Google finds many, many complaints about iPad 2's and wifi. I've read through their support docs on the net, but they are all pretty basic. For a long time the iPad saw the router by name (and didn't see any other routers), but wouldn't accept the correct password. This seems to be a common complaint. We tried doing it automatically and setting up WPA manually as the security protocol. I'm going to have to go over there taking inSSIDer in a few days to check that his router isn't on the same wifi channel as a neighbour etc., but wondered if anyone here had any insight. The ipad says it supports a,b,g and n networking, whereas his router is only b & g but some of the complaints suggest switching to g only. He has got over the mains networking as well, which he needs for various systems in his big thick-walled old house. Is this likely to interfere with his wifi? He will visit the nearest Apple store tomorrow. I've advised him to be wary of being sold anything more. So far, from a distance, I'm unimpressed. Can anyone throw any light into my darkness. The IPAD will not be the problem. How old is the router? Update the firmware to the latest available. there's a high probability this will sort everything. If the router is so old that the latest firmware is still 5 years old it may still be unreliable so NEXT try the ipad on somebody elses newer router, just to satisfy yourself it works.......then buy a new router. The alternative is to keep the router and pick up a new Wireless Access Point....benefit being (so long as you can get a wired connection back to the router) you can optimally locate it in the house AND get wireless n, long range etc. I like the Draytek AP-700 http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/ap700.html and use one of these instead of my 7 year old Linksys router for exactly the reasons you are experiencing. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:50:04 +0100, Vortex10 wrote:
The IPAD will not be the problem. Wouldn't like to bet on it, Apple don't have a particulary good track record with these i thingies. Also bear in mind that you are daring to use this i thingy with other makers kit, not Apples. Forums full of compliants that iPad2 doesn't work reliably with a variety of access points/routers that do work with other kit without trouble points the finger rather strongly at the problem being with the iPad. -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:50:04 +0100, Vortex10 wrote: The IPAD will not be the problem. Wouldn't like to bet on it, Apple don't have a particulary good track record with these i thingies. Also bear in mind that you are daring to use this i thingy with other makers kit, not Apples. Apple do not understand RF. Tey site their aerials in stupid places. Forums full of compliants that iPad2 doesn't work reliably with a variety of access points/routers that do work with other kit without trouble points the finger rather strongly at the problem being with the iPad. Precisement, mon cher. |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:16:42 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:50:04 +0100, Vortex10 wrote: The IPAD will not be the problem. Wouldn't like to bet on it, Apple don't have a particulary good track record with these i thingies. Also bear in mind that you are daring to use this i thingy with other makers kit, not Apples. Apple do not understand RF. Tey site their aerials in stupid places. Got iPAD, MacBook, iMac plus several non-Apple laptops and several varied guest devices over the years - all have worked excellently together. Using an Apple Airport Extreme wireless router. Unlike most other such kit, I get told of firmware updates which always apply with no fuss. It was one of the easiest (perhaps absolutely the easiest) router I have ever configured. For devices with stupidly placed aerials they work very well indeed. And rumour has it that in future they will call if WiFi instead of Airport. How's that for following standards? :-) Rod |
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"Bill" wrote in message ... A friend of mine's new iPad 2 arrived at his house today. He unpacked it, tried to connect to his wifi and rang me. Many hours ago. I've logged in remotely to his machine and checked the router settings all seem OK. It's a Netgear router on Virgin cable with wpa wireless security set. Another friend of his called round to see him with her iPhone and iPad1. The iPhone seemed to connect immediately, the iPad1 didn't. snip One thing that used to cause me problems (but recent kit seems to sort automatically). As well as the encryption method there is the authentication method. IIRC you can chose "shared key" or "open". If the router and client do not match, you can have the correct password and they just won't work together. HTH Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
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On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 09:29:37 +0100, David WE Roberts wrote:
One thing that used to cause me problems (but recent kit seems to sort automatically). As well as the encryption method there is the authentication method. IIRC you can chose "shared key" or "open". If the router and client do not match, you can have the correct password and they just won't work together. Oh yes, there are an awful lot of variations that are generally hidden from the user that kit may try and sort out automagically. When it doesn't you don't get told what the problem is with a sensible error message it just fails to work. Trying to find the relevant settings to then tweak can be a right-mare. Web interfaces on consumer kit rarely have them and the telnet interface (if it has one) will only have rudimentary documentation that is for two versions earlier... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 21/06/2011 23:54, Bill wrote:
A friend of mine's new iPad 2 arrived at his house today. He unpacked it, tried to connect to his wifi and rang me. Many hours ago. I've logged in remotely to his machine and checked the router settings all seem OK. It's a Netgear router on Virgin cable with wpa wireless security set. Another friend of his called round to see him with her iPhone and iPad1. The iPhone seemed to connect immediately, the iPad1 didn't. After a long struggle without changing anything, the 2 iPads appeared with IP addresses on his router and sort of worked, but had difficulty connecting to many things in a meaningful way. Google finds many, many complaints about iPad 2's and wifi. I've read through their support docs on the net, but they are all pretty basic. For a long time the iPad saw the router by name (and didn't see any other routers), but wouldn't accept the correct password. This seems to be a common complaint. We tried doing it automatically and setting up WPA manually as the security protocol. I'm going to have to go over there taking inSSIDer in a few days to check that his router isn't on the same wifi channel as a neighbour etc., but wondered if anyone here had any insight. The ipad says it supports a,b,g and n networking, whereas his router is only b & g but some of the complaints suggest switching to g only. He has got over the mains networking as well, which he needs for various systems in his big thick-walled old house. Is this likely to interfere with his wifi? He will visit the nearest Apple store tomorrow. I've advised him to be wary of being sold anything more. So far, from a distance, I'm unimpressed. Can anyone throw any light into my darkness. No help to offer, but here at Lowe Towers, I have 3 cisco access points running WPA2-Enterprise ( with RADIUS servers and certificates ) and the iPAD1 and iPod touches / iPhones all just figure it out and request credentials and connect. Very impressed at how it figured out all the correct settings that usually requires manual intervention in Windows for example. No idea why it won't connect to the Netgear. -- Ron |
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On 22/06/2011 17:21, Ron Lowe wrote:
Very impressed at how it figured out all the correct settings that usually requires manual intervention in Windows for example. I've used a windows laptop in quite a few places, and in all but one of them what I've had to do is switch it on, choose the right network, and enter a password. I don't think it can be any simpler than that. (in the other place, he's got DHCP turned off, so I do need to do a manual setup there - but the same would be true for any device). |
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In article , Ron Lowe writes
No help to offer, but here at Lowe Towers, I have 3 cisco access points running WPA2-Enterprise ( with RADIUS servers and certificates ) and the iPAD1 and iPod touches / iPhones all just figure it out and request credentials and connect. Are the access points covering different areas? Do the various toys connect to the strongest signal or do they have a favourite that they try to connect to irrespective of signal strength? I have a wireless router and separate access point covering overlapping areas and although I'm not using 'i' products (just yet) I have had bother with: 1. A Blackberry which has a priority list for wifi connections trying to connect to the favourite even if it is nearly out of range and the second favourite is much closer. 2. A laptop preferring to connect to the last connected node rather than the strongest which makes it a pain when moving between home to home office. Also, bizarrely, my Orange San Francisco (notorious for wifi fussiness) refuses to work with the zoom wireless router but is perfectly happy to connect (and obtain addresses from the zoom router) when connecting via a separate access point. I'd be interested to hear how the iToys behave in your setup. -- fred FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ******** |
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On 22/06/2011 19:01, fred wrote:
In article , Ron Lowe writes No help to offer, but here at Lowe Towers, I have 3 cisco access points running WPA2-Enterprise ( with RADIUS servers and certificates ) and the iPAD1 and iPod touches / iPhones all just figure it out and request credentials and connect. Are the access points covering different areas? Do the various toys connect to the strongest signal or do they have a favourite that they try to connect to irrespective of signal strength? I have a wireless router and separate access point covering overlapping areas and although I'm not using 'i' products (just yet) I have had bother with: 1. A Blackberry which has a priority list for wifi connections trying to connect to the favourite even if it is nearly out of range and the second favourite is much closer. 2. A laptop preferring to connect to the last connected node rather than the strongest which makes it a pain when moving between home to home office. Also, bizarrely, my Orange San Francisco (notorious for wifi fussiness) refuses to work with the zoom wireless router but is perfectly happy to connect (and obtain addresses from the zoom router) when connecting via a separate access point. I'd be interested to hear how the iToys behave in your setup. All the cisco WAPS are sending the same group of SSIDs. ( There's more than 1 wireless network: there's a 'guest' one for Internet access only ) The iPrides seem to roam betweeen them seamlessly, but it's hard to say without logging into the access points and seeing what clients are currently connected. -- Ron |
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In article , Ron Lowe writes
All the cisco WAPS are sending the same group of SSIDs. ( There's more than 1 wireless network: there's a 'guest' one for Internet access only ) More research required my end I think into group SSIDs, I'll flag that on the to-do list. The iPrides seem to roam betweeen them seamlessly, but it's hard to say without logging into the access points and seeing what clients are currently connected. Good to know, at least one iSomething is scheduled to be added here soon. Thanks for the info. -- fred FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ******** |
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"fred" wrote in message news In article , Ron Lowe writes No help to offer, but here at Lowe Towers, I have 3 cisco access points running WPA2-Enterprise ( with RADIUS servers and certificates ) and the iPAD1 and iPod touches / iPhones all just figure it out and request credentials and connect. Are the access points covering different areas? Do the various toys connect to the strongest signal or do they have a favourite that they try to connect to irrespective of signal strength? I have a wireless router and separate access point covering overlapping areas and although I'm not using 'i' products (just yet) I have had bother with: 1. A Blackberry which has a priority list for wifi connections trying to connect to the favourite even if it is nearly out of range and the second favourite is much closer. 2. A laptop preferring to connect to the last connected node rather than the strongest which makes it a pain when moving between home to home office. Win7 is sensible enough to decide that AP with the same network ID are the same network and use the best signal. Of course if they have different IDs it treats them as different networks and tries to connect to the last used one. |
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In article , Ron Lowe wrote:
On 21/06/2011 23:54, Bill wrote: No help to offer, but here at Lowe Towers, I have 3 cisco access points running WPA2-Enterprise ( with RADIUS servers and certificates ) and the iPAD1 and iPod touches / iPhones all just figure it out and request credentials and connect. Very impressed at how it figured out all the correct settings that usually requires manual intervention in Windows for example. Can be a bit less slick when the user changes their password though No idea why it won't connect to the Netgear. I had a linksys that appeared reluctant to work with a couple of iMacs (running leopard IIRC). After sniffing the traffic it turned out to be something wierd with timing and DHCP. Can't remember the details - the machines would connect to the router fine, but then fail to get an ip and would autoassign itself an address after 30 seconds or so. Took it back to PCworld (it was a distress purchase on a sunday), got my money back and switched to a netgear - no more problems. Darren |
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In message , D.M.Chapman
writes In article , Ron Lowe wrote: On 21/06/2011 23:54, Bill wrote: No help to offer, but here at Lowe Towers, I have 3 cisco access points running WPA2-Enterprise ( with RADIUS servers and certificates ) and the iPAD1 and iPod touches / iPhones all just figure it out and request credentials and connect. Very impressed at how it figured out all the correct settings that usually requires manual intervention in Windows for example. Can be a bit less slick when the user changes their password though No idea why it won't connect to the Netgear. I had a linksys that appeared reluctant to work with a couple of iMacs (running leopard IIRC). After sniffing the traffic it turned out to be something wierd with timing and DHCP. Can't remember the details - the machines would connect to the router fine, but then fail to get an ip and would autoassign itself an address after 30 seconds or so. Took it back to PCworld (it was a distress purchase on a sunday), got my money back and switched to a netgear - no more problems. Well, here's where we are.... Spent several hours there. His Virgin supplied Netgear router looked fine in most settings toa non-expert like me, Running inSSIDer on my laptop nearby showed that he was on a clean wifi channel, with 4 other routers nearby on a very well separated channel. However, the signal strength appeared to randomly drop to zero. The later firmware version from Netgear's site was not recognised and wouldn't install. After trying many variations of WPA, tried another router piggy backed as an access point and that seemed to give a solid signal. We then switched off the Homeplug networking, and the iPad connected when the router showed on inSSIDER, not when it didn't. At this stage rang Virgin support, who tried remote control of the router and agreed it was faulty. They will replace it. After this tried taking the Netgear back to basics ie no security and with the Homeplug out got a solid iPad signal and set up his email, Skype etc. The Homeplug is not close to the router, but there is obviously some sort of interaction. Looking at the inSSIDer time graph showed a consistent wifi signal with the Homeplug switched off, and a graph like a very slow sawtooth with it on. He has a huge assembly of loose mains boards, some of which say they have some sort of filtering, so I'm wondering if trying to get the new router when it comes onto some sort of filtered mains might be a good idea. If it is, what sort of filter should he be looking for? -- Bill |
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Bill wrote:
So far, from a distance, I'm unimpressed. Can anyone throw any light into my darkness. I have experience of a MacBook that suddenly stopped talking to a router (Netgear IIRC) that it was regularly used with. Couldn't make it talk for love nor money. IMO it's Apple at fault but the router will always receive the blame being cheaper and easier to replace: "Oh look, it works with the new router; the old one must have been faulty." To be fair tho, M$ managed a similar own goal with Vista (& probably 7) which connects to, but fails to see the Internet through, a variety of modem/routers. -- Scott Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket? |
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