It has come to pass that we're planning a new kitchen extension but
SWMBO has a big idea of an "Island" in the middle with a sink section
etc thereon.

Now the floor is a screed/concrete one around 150 mm deep etc and this
island is to be in the middle of the room.

There is also a 100 mm OSMA drain pipe thats going to be in the way and
thats intended to be cut of and dismantled and is some 3 metres away
from where this proposed "Island" is intended to go.

Now the drainpipe is in an open space ( a wall is to be removed which it
stands next to) and the idea was to cut that off cap it and bury it as
it won't be needed as such.

However it is quite close to the Island gubbins so it seems that it
could well drain that.

How can this be done?. It's I suppose OK to dig a channel in the floor
and line that with screwed down boards to make a flat floor surface in
the manner which heating pipes can sometimes go under the floor, but the
drain say a 1.5 inch plastic pipe what way could you join this to the
100 mm drain thats now redundant and put that under the floor?.

The water pipes, its proposed to take them the other direction where
they can easily connect to the existing so now a problem is the
drainpipe.

Is this dome with a sort of small sealed manhole but its planned to have
some sort of wooden flooring which will go over that which will make
access very difficult.

So anyone done this before and if so how did they do it?.

TIA...
--
Tony Sayer

On May 21, 1:56*pm, tony sayer wrote:

It has come to pass that we're planning a new kitchen extension but
SWMBO has a big idea of an "Island" in the middle with a sink section
etc thereon.

Now the floor is a screed/concrete one around 150 mm deep etc and this
island is to be *in the middle of the room.

There is also a 100 mm OSMA drain pipe thats going to be in the way and
thats intended to be cut of and dismantled and is some 3 metres away
from where this proposed "Island" is intended to go.

Now the drainpipe is in an open space ( a wall is to be removed which it
stands next to) and the idea was to cut that off cap it and bury it as
it won't be needed as such.

However it is quite close to the Island gubbins so it seems that it
could well drain that.

How can this be done?. It's I suppose OK to dig a channel in the floor
and line that with screwed down boards to make a flat floor surface in
the manner which heating pipes can sometimes go under the floor, but the

I dont see a reason to line it with boards.


drain say a 1.5 inch plastic pipe what way could you join this to the
100 mm drain thats now redundant and put that under the floor?.

boss connector


NT

On May 21, 1:56*pm, tony sayer wrote:
It has come to pass that we're planning a new kitchen extension but
SWMBO has a big idea of an "Island" in the middle with a sink section
etc thereon.

Now the floor is a screed/concrete one around 150 mm deep etc and this
island is to be *in the middle of the room.

There is also a 100 mm OSMA drain pipe thats going to be in the way and
thats intended to be cut of and dismantled and is some 3 metres away
from where this proposed "Island" is intended to go.

Now the drainpipe is in an open space ( a wall is to be removed which it
stands next to) and the idea was to cut that off cap it and bury it as
it won't be needed as such.

However it is quite close to the Island gubbins so it seems that it
could well drain that.

How can this be done?. It's I suppose OK to dig a channel in the floor
and line that with screwed down boards to make a flat floor surface in
the manner which heating pipes can sometimes go under the floor, but the
drain say a 1.5 inch plastic pipe what way could you join this to the
100 mm drain thats now redundant and put that under the floor?.

The water pipes, its proposed to take them the other direction where
they can easily connect to the existing so now a problem is the
drainpipe.

Is this dome with a sort of small sealed manhole but its planned to have
some sort of wooden flooring which will go over that which will *make
access very difficult.

So anyone done this before and if so how did they do it?.

TIA...
--
Tony Sayer

I can't entirely follow your description of the layout, but I've used
these and found them to be very good:

http://www.screwfix.com/p/waste-mani...ck-sp588/40832

I think you're describing a redundant foul drain, rather than surface
water drainage - guessing by the 100m diameter.

In which case that should be fairly deep, and have a rest bend, so
there's probably room for new fittings above.

Whatever you do - make good rodding access - you'll curse yourself a
thousand times over if you don't.

On Sat, 21 May 2011 13:56:42 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:


It has come to pass that we're planning a new kitchen extension...

I can't answer your questions but just wanted to remark that when I
saw the subject title I thought it was a pretty good name for a
specialist showroom.

Along the lines of Fireplace World and Guitar Village, if you get my
drift.

Nick

On May 21, 1:56*pm, tony sayer wrote:
It has come to pass that we're planning a new kitchen extension but
SWMBO has a big idea of an "Island" in the middle with a sink section
etc thereon.

Now the floor is a screed/concrete one around 150 mm deep etc and this
island is to be *in the middle of the room.

There is also a 100 mm OSMA drain pipe thats going to be in the way and
thats intended to be cut of and dismantled and is some 3 metres away
from where this proposed "Island" is intended to go.

Now the drainpipe is in an open space ( a wall is to be removed which it
stands next to) and the idea was to cut that off cap it and bury it as
it won't be needed as such.

However it is quite close to the Island gubbins so it seems that it
could well drain that.

How can this be done?. It's I suppose OK to dig a channel in the floor
and line that with screwed down boards to make a flat floor surface in
the manner which heating pipes can sometimes go under the floor, but the
drain say a 1.5 inch plastic pipe what way could you join this to the
100 mm drain thats now redundant and put that under the floor?.

The water pipes, its proposed to take them the other direction where
they can easily connect to the existing so now a problem is the
drainpipe.

Is this dome with a sort of small sealed manhole but its planned to have
some sort of wooden flooring which will go over that which will *make
access very difficult.

So anyone done this before and if so how did they do it?.

TIA...
--
Tony Sayer

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.
Before you start, make sure you have sufficient falls to accomodate
the drain.

The other problem is where to discharge the cooker hood to if the
cooker is on the island. And how to support it off the roof.

Where to put electric sockets. There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.

eh?? so do you have one, or have you done one harry?

The other problem is where to discharge the cooker hood to if the
cooker is on the island. And how to support it off the roof.

*if* - OP mentions sink and DW......only

Where to put electric sockets. There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

or mount em on the units just under the work surface edge??

Jim K

Jim K wrote:
On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Where to put electric sockets. There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

or mount em on the units just under the work surface edge??

Not sure about that - easy to spill liquid on them, and you'd catch your
hips/etc on the plugs unless you have a very deep overhang. Plus the cables
would be easily caught as they poke over the edge.

Though it does raise a point... most plugs are designed for the cable to
come out the bottom. Are there wall sockets with the earth pin at the
bottom, so the cable points upwards? Is there a good reason why they don't
exist?

Theo

PS I'm not sure 'Kitchen Island Drains' would be my first choice of name for
a showroom ;-

On 21/05/2011 13:56, tony sayer wrote:



How can this be done?. It's I suppose OK to dig a channel in the floor
and line that with screwed down boards to make a flat floor surface in
the manner which heating pipes can sometimes go under the floor, but the
drain say a 1.5 inch plastic pipe what way could you join this to the
100 mm drain thats now redundant and put that under the floor?.


Dig a channel and bury a length of 3" drain pipe in it, with an
appropriate fall. Leave an access hole at the island end. Then run your
real drain pipe (40mm or whatever) through the 3" pipe, and join it to
your existing 100 (110?)mm pipe with a boss fitting.

That's what we did with a washing machine drain which needed to be on
the 'wrong' side of our utility room. Worked perfectly for 20 years
until we ripped it all out for the next re-hash.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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On May 21, 8:26*pm, Jim K wrote:
On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. *They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. *And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. *She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.

eh?? so do you have one, or have you done one harry?

The other problem is where to discharge the cooker hood to if the
cooker is on the island. *And how to support it off the roof.

*if* - OP mentions sink and DW......only

Where to put electric sockets. *There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

or mount em on the units just under the work surface edge??

Jim K

Never. Very dangerous if kids are about. They can pull a flex and the
object it's connected to lands on their head.

On May 21, 8:26*pm, Jim K wrote:
On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. *They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. *And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. *She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.

eh?? so do you have one, or have you done one harry?

I have more sense than to own/advocate one for the reasons set out.
I know several people who have one that have these problems.

On May 21, 8:26*pm, Jim K wrote:
On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. *They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. *And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. *She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.

The hot water is fixed in my house so that I get virtually
instantaneous hot water from all taps. It's called foresight and
planning. Saves pipework too.
And ignoring SWMBO if neccessary.

On May 22, 7:37 am, harry wrote:
On May 21, 8:26 pm, Jim K wrote:



On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.

eh?? so do you have one, or have you done one harry?

The other problem is where to discharge the cooker hood to if the
cooker is on the island. And how to support it off the roof.

*if* - OP mentions sink and DW......only

Where to put electric sockets. There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

or mount em on the units just under the work surface edge??

Jim K

Never. Very dangerous if kids are about. They can pull a flex and the
object it's connected to lands on their head.

?applies to all sockets?

Jim K

On May 21, 10:06 pm, Theo Markettos theom
wrote:
Jim K wrote:
On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Where to put electric sockets. There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

or mount em on the units just under the work surface edge??

Not sure about that - easy to spill liquid on them, and you'd catch your
hips/etc on the plugs unless you have a very deep overhang.

? flush flat plate socket = nil projection
+
depth of plug ?30mm?

doesn;t seem OTT to me


Plus the cables
would be easily caught as they poke over the edge.

careful siting?
in any case as the island has a sink (and unless the island is huge)
there won't be many sockets anyway?

Though it does raise a point... most plugs are designed for the cable to
come out the bottom. Are there wall sockets with the earth pin at the
bottom, so the cable points upwards?

;) erm install them upside down?

Is there a good reason why they don't
exist?

I'd be worried about your spilling liquids running down the wires into
the plug?

Jim K

On Sat, 21 May 2011 23:37:28 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On May 21, 8:26*pm, Jim K wrote:
On May 21, 8:13 pm, harry wrote:

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. *They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. *And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. *She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.

eh?? so do you have one, or have you done one harry?

The other problem is where to discharge the cooker hood to if the
cooker is on the island. *And how to support it off the roof.

*if* - OP mentions sink and DW......only

Where to put electric sockets. *There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

or mount em on the units just under the work surface edge??

Jim K

Never. Very dangerous if kids are about. They can pull a flex and the
object it's connected to lands on their head.

Kids shouldn't hang around in the kitchen.

--
Frank Erskine

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On May 21, 1:56*pm, tony sayer wrote:
It has come to pass that we're planning a new kitchen extension but
SWMBO has a big idea of an "Island" in the middle with a sink section
etc thereon.

Now the floor is a screed/concrete one around 150 mm deep etc and this
island is to be *in the middle of the room.

There is also a 100 mm OSMA drain pipe thats going to be in the way and
thats intended to be cut of and dismantled and is some 3 metres away
from where this proposed "Island" is intended to go.

Now the drainpipe is in an open space ( a wall is to be removed which it
stands next to) and the idea was to cut that off cap it and bury it as
it won't be needed as such.

However it is quite close to the Island gubbins so it seems that it
could well drain that.

How can this be done?. It's I suppose OK to dig a channel in the floor
and line that with screwed down boards to make a flat floor surface in
the manner which heating pipes can sometimes go under the floor, but the
drain say a 1.5 inch plastic pipe what way could you join this to the
100 mm drain thats now redundant and put that under the floor?.

The water pipes, its proposed to take them the other direction where
they can easily connect to the existing so now a problem is the
drainpipe.

Is this dome with a sort of small sealed manhole but its planned to have
some sort of wooden flooring which will go over that which will *make
access very difficult.

So anyone done this before and if so how did they do it?.

TIA...
--
Tony Sayer

Try an put her off. Islands in kitchens make hard work to use. You are
forever walking round the bloody island. They are just a fashion
icon, totally impractical. And getting hold of work surface big
enough can be a very expensive business. She will probably ignore
you.

The hot water needs to be heated within the island or the pipe run is
so long, you are waiting forever for hot water.
Before you start, make sure you have sufficient falls to accomodate
the drain.

The other problem is where to discharge the cooker hood to if the
cooker is on the island. And how to support it off the roof.

Where to put electric sockets. There are nifty popup
towers .Expensive.

Well thanks to all who replied. It seems there is a channel section that
you can place under the floor for this and a simple connector device to
connect to the drain but it seems she might be changing her mind on this
a bit now!..

Heres hoping;!....
--
Tony Sayer