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Rumm writes On 02/05/2011 22:14, Old Codger wrote: On 02/05/2011 20:39, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Old Codger wrote: On 02/05/2011 17:15, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Andy Cap writes On Mon, 02 May 2011 13:04:26 +0100, Roger Mills wrote: Since when did a single party getting an overall majority ever honour its manifesto pledges anyway? Perhaps not, but look at what the blatant dishonesty of the Liberal Party has done to their reputation. With a proportional system, all policy will be made on the hoof, so to speak, with the excuse that there was no choice at the time. If you really want more democracy, the only way is to get more control over the programme. Mainly because of the FPTP system, the Liberal Party is very much the junior party in the Con-Lib coalition. It is therefore not really in a good position to deliver some of its election promises. In many cases, in order to preserve the unity of the coalition (and thereby keep its foot well inside the parliamentary door), it has been obliged to take pragmatic approach, and go along with what the Conservatives have wanted to do. They weren't forced to join a coalition but, like all politicians, they are power hungry so junk their principles in favour of power. So you're saying all parties should stick to their principles and never join a coalition? Then we'll just have minority governments that will fall with monotonous regularity. And Brenda will refuse to authorise the Prime Minister du jour to call an election, as he won't have exhausted *all* options. And she'd be right. Minority governments do not have to fail. They have existed in the past. None that you would cite as particularly glowing examples of success though... its usually synonymous with inaction for a few years until someone gets elected with a workable majority. ISTR Alex Salmon recently boasting that the SNP operates a minority government in Scotland quite successfully. A -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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"hugh" ] wrote in message ... In message , John Rumm writes On 02/05/2011 22:14, Old Codger wrote: On 02/05/2011 20:39, Tim Streater wrote: In article , Old Codger wrote: On 02/05/2011 17:15, Ian Jackson wrote: In message , Andy Cap writes On Mon, 02 May 2011 13:04:26 +0100, Roger Mills wrote: Since when did a single party getting an overall majority ever honour its manifesto pledges anyway? Perhaps not, but look at what the blatant dishonesty of the Liberal Party has done to their reputation. With a proportional system, all policy will be made on the hoof, so to speak, with the excuse that there was no choice at the time. If you really want more democracy, the only way is to get more control over the programme. Mainly because of the FPTP system, the Liberal Party is very much the junior party in the Con-Lib coalition. It is therefore not really in a good position to deliver some of its election promises. In many cases, in order to preserve the unity of the coalition (and thereby keep its foot well inside the parliamentary door), it has been obliged to take pragmatic approach, and go along with what the Conservatives have wanted to do. They weren't forced to join a coalition but, like all politicians, they are power hungry so junk their principles in favour of power. So you're saying all parties should stick to their principles and never join a coalition? Then we'll just have minority governments that will fall with monotonous regularity. And Brenda will refuse to authorise the Prime Minister du jour to call an election, as he won't have exhausted *all* options. And she'd be right. Minority governments do not have to fail. They have existed in the past. None that you would cite as particularly glowing examples of success though... its usually synonymous with inaction for a few years until someone gets elected with a workable majority. ISTR Alex Salmon recently boasting that the SNP operates a minority government in Scotland quite successfully. But does the system in Scotland allow for a new election on fall of government? Usually, in a PR system, the number of MPs each party has is fixed for the term of the parliament with no mechanism for early elections. Under such a system there is no point bringing down a minority government unless you know that you have support for your own minority alternative. Which presumably, no one thought that they could manage. tim |
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