"Robin" wrote in message
...
I just went and looked at a BAMA mirror site, and lo ! I have found a
file that says it's for the Mk IV. I've downloaded it, but now need
to find some software to open it. It says that it is .DJVU format ??

The site has links to viewers: see eg http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/avo
FWIW I use Irfan. And you will need then the djvu plug-in (from the same
site). But I am sorry to have to tell you that if you have downloaded
mk4elect.djvu it is the manual for the Avo Electronic Testmeter Mark 4.
(I know 'cos I got some of my manuals from BAMA and looked there yesterday
when you first asked: I am *really* looking for excuses not to get back to
crawling around in the loft!)

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


I got me a viewer (I actually have Irfan as well, but didn't realise it did
these djvu's) and yes, you are quite right, it is the wrong one, even though
it appears to be listed as one of the 8's. Anyways, meter is now fixed - see
my later post ! :-)

Arfa

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:45:22 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:46:53 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
Anybody got a copy of the schematic that's in the back of the user
guide that they can scan for me, please ? I've searched all my files
and drawers high and low, and can't find my book anywhere ... I
thought that the 'net would be awash with copies of the schematic,
but it seems only for the Mk 2, which is totally different to the MK
4. TIA

Is it the circuit diagram at
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/avo_uni...er_8_mk_i.html ?
(Registration necessary for download. I have not done it as mine's a
Mk II.)
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


Hi Robin, thanks for that. It would appear to be the correct one.
Looks as though you need to pay to become a member, so I will hold off
for now until all the feelers that I have out, run dry. It's really
annoying because I have owned the meter from new when I was an
apprentice, and I have the book, which has the schematic in it,
carefully filed away somewhere, but I'm buggered if I can now find it.
It is in a box file, but said boxfile is not where I know it should
be. Even more annoying is that I have damaged the meter by my own
stupidity, so now have the need to fix it ... :-(

Arfa

That's too bad. I have some old gear I used as an apprentice that have
a high value in the nostalgia department. An old EICO 232 VTVM, B&K
1801 freq. counter, Beckman Tech 310 DVM, Amprobe Amp Clamp and some
other things that I can't think of right now.




Yes, Meat. It's very frustrating. I cut my 'professional' teeth with
that meter, and it has served me faithfully over the years without
serious mishap. It is still in weekly use, but not quite the daily use
that it once was. For some types of repair, the swinging needle of a
quality instrument like this, is so much more appropriate than a digital
type ...

Arfa
--

I got used to the LCD after using one for 25 years but it took awhile
after using the EICO and a Simpson. The Beckman 310 was the first LCD I
owned. I found a benchtop Beckman with LED's back in the 90's I used for
several years before it failed beyond repair. Now using my faithful Fluke
77. This is one that had a touch hold button in the middle of the
selector. It's hard to put aside the tools you've learned to trust after
decades.



Indeed it is. I have a hand portable DMM that is now the main workshop
workhorse, and I am very easy with it. I also have a bench true RMS 6 digit
job that is used fairly rarely. The AVO still gets used where I feel it is
the appropriate instrument for the job. I tend to be happier using it around
tube circuitry for measuring volts, and I prefer its ohms ranges for
measuring semiconductor junctions, even though the DMM has a diode test
facility

Arfa

On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 02:02:32 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:



"Meat Plow" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:45:22 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
news On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:46:53 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
Anybody got a copy of the schematic that's in the back of the user
guide that they can scan for me, please ? I've searched all my files
and drawers high and low, and can't find my book anywhere ... I
thought that the 'net would be awash with copies of the schematic,
but it seems only for the Mk 2, which is totally different to the MK
4. TIA

Is it the circuit diagram at
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/avo_uni...er_8_mk_i.html ?
(Registration necessary for download. I have not done it as mine's a
Mk II.)
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


Hi Robin, thanks for that. It would appear to be the correct one.
Looks as though you need to pay to become a member, so I will hold off
for now until all the feelers that I have out, run dry. It's really
annoying because I have owned the meter from new when I was an
apprentice, and I have the book, which has the schematic in it,
carefully filed away somewhere, but I'm buggered if I can now find it.
It is in a box file, but said boxfile is not where I know it should
be. Even more annoying is that I have damaged the meter by my own
stupidity, so now have the need to fix it ... :-(

Arfa

That's too bad. I have some old gear I used as an apprentice that have
a high value in the nostalgia department. An old EICO 232 VTVM, B&K
1801 freq. counter, Beckman Tech 310 DVM, Amprobe Amp Clamp and some
other things that I can't think of right now.




Yes, Meat. It's very frustrating. I cut my 'professional' teeth with
that meter, and it has served me faithfully over the years without
serious mishap. It is still in weekly use, but not quite the daily use
that it once was. For some types of repair, the swinging needle of a
quality instrument like this, is so much more appropriate than a digital
type ...

Arfa
--

I got used to the LCD after using one for 25 years but it took awhile
after using the EICO and a Simpson. The Beckman 310 was the first LCD I
owned. I found a benchtop Beckman with LED's back in the 90's I used for
several years before it failed beyond repair. Now using my faithful Fluke
77. This is one that had a touch hold button in the middle of the
selector. It's hard to put aside the tools you've learned to trust after
decades.



Indeed it is. I have a hand portable DMM that is now the main workshop
workhorse, and I am very easy with it. I also have a bench true RMS 6 digit
job that is used fairly rarely. The AVO still gets used where I feel it is
the appropriate instrument for the job. I tend to be happier using it around
tube circuitry for measuring volts, and I prefer its ohms ranges for
measuring semiconductor junctions, even though the DMM has a diode test
facility

Arfa

It's what you are used to. I started out with an AVO 7 I think it
was 500 Ohms per Volt. It certainly had an effect on circuits even in
the days before CMOS.

I could turn on transistors and generally interact with circuits using
it. Although a tool no doubt aimed at Electrical Engineers it proved a
useful diagnostic instrument in an electronics environment.

Oddly enough the AVO eight was potentially more accurate than todays
digital afferings. At 20 K to the Volt, The AVO took half the current
of the modern DMM.

It was a dashed big needle to shift too.


My gripe with the AVO was that although it was a robust instrument,
you could buy around fifteen less robust meters for the same price.
Similar accuracy, smaller scale though and at a major price reduction.
Plus of course the fact that you could buy batteries to keep the Ohm
fires burning at your local newsagent. I seem to recollect tht The AVO
needed some kind of battery / inverter replacement when Ever Ready
stopped producing their very expensive box of volts.


Incidentally the final AVOs were not robust. They weighed about as
much as two of the £12-00 Tandy meters that I used to use at that
time.

That was prety light! I zapped a new AVO with one jab at a line output
valve topcap. Around 800 V p-p at 15 khz.


I still operate using the same philosophy today. I can pay a hundred
or so for a Fluke, or throw £20-00 across the counter at Maplin. Both
meters do the same at an acceptable accuracy and both share the same
fate when I forget to go from mA to volts when measuring across
phases. Both meters also tend to go green & gungy when exposed to
liquids. At least I do not feel too bad with a defunct £20-00 Tandy


HN

Mike Tomlinson writes:

In article , Arfa Daily
writes
Even more annoying is that I have damaged the
meter by my own stupidity
Measured the resistance of the mains?

You too, eh?
But they are indeed tough beasts; apart from a shaky ohms-adjust pot
it's still working 25 years later.

Doubtful if you could do that with a modern DVM and get away with it.

--
Windmill, Use t m i l l
@ O n e t e l
. c o m

In article , Windmill spam-no-
lid writes

Doubtful if you could do that with a modern DVM and get away with it.

The one I measured the mains with was a mid-range ISO-Tech something or
other. It blew the internal fuse and worked OK after replacement. But
doubt many of the five quid cheapies would survive.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

In message , Arfa Daily
writes


"Robin" wrote in message
...
I just went and looked at a BAMA mirror site, and lo ! I have found a
file that says it's for the Mk IV. I've downloaded it, but now need
to find some software to open it. It says that it is .DJVU format ??

The site has links to viewers: see eg
http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/avo FWIW I use Irfan. And you will
need then the djvu plug-in (from the same site). But I am sorry to
have to tell you that if you have downloaded mk4elect.djvu it is the
manual for the Avo Electronic Testmeter Mark 4. (I know 'cos I got
some of my manuals from BAMA and looked there yesterday when you
first asked: I am *really* looking for excuses not to get back to
crawling around in the loft!)

-- Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


I got me a viewer (I actually have Irfan as well, but didn't realise it
did these djvu's) and yes, you are quite right, it is the wrong one,
even though it appears to be listed as one of the 8's. Anyways, meter
is now fixed - see my later post ! :-)

You can get your own DJVU maker (+viewer) here (and several other
interesting things):
http://www.tuberadio.it/
http://www.tuberadio.it/utils.htm
http://www.tuberadio.it/download/dvs31.exe
--
Ian

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...


"Robin" wrote in message
...
I just went and looked at a BAMA mirror site, and lo ! I have found a
file that says it's for the Mk IV. I've downloaded it, but now need
to find some software to open it. It says that it is .DJVU format ??

The site has links to viewers: see eg http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/avo
FWIW I use Irfan. And you will need then the djvu plug-in (from the same
site). But I am sorry to have to tell you that if you have downloaded
mk4elect.djvu it is the manual for the Avo Electronic Testmeter Mark 4.
(I know 'cos I got some of my manuals from BAMA and looked there
yesterday when you first asked: I am *really* looking for excuses not to
get back to crawling around in the loft!)

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


I got me a viewer (I actually have Irfan as well, but didn't realise it
did these djvu's)

Can't remember the exact reason why I stopped using Irfanview for DJVU and
went back to the original publishers browser pluggin but the most recent
download of DJVU certainly works much better than earlier versions.

"H. Neary" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 02:02:32 +0100, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:



"Meat Plow" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:45:22 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:

"Meat Plow" wrote in message
news On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 21:46:53 +0100, Arfa Daily wrote:

"Robin" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
Anybody got a copy of the schematic that's in the back of the user
guide that they can scan for me, please ? I've searched all my
files
and drawers high and low, and can't find my book anywhere ... I
thought that the 'net would be awash with copies of the schematic,
but it seems only for the Mk 2, which is totally different to the
MK
4. TIA

Is it the circuit diagram at
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/avo_uni...er_8_mk_i.html ?
(Registration necessary for download. I have not done it as mine's
a
Mk II.)
--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


Hi Robin, thanks for that. It would appear to be the correct one.
Looks as though you need to pay to become a member, so I will hold
off
for now until all the feelers that I have out, run dry. It's really
annoying because I have owned the meter from new when I was an
apprentice, and I have the book, which has the schematic in it,
carefully filed away somewhere, but I'm buggered if I can now find
it.
It is in a box file, but said boxfile is not where I know it should
be. Even more annoying is that I have damaged the meter by my own
stupidity, so now have the need to fix it ... :-(

Arfa

That's too bad. I have some old gear I used as an apprentice that have
a high value in the nostalgia department. An old EICO 232 VTVM, B&K
1801 freq. counter, Beckman Tech 310 DVM, Amprobe Amp Clamp and some
other things that I can't think of right now.




Yes, Meat. It's very frustrating. I cut my 'professional' teeth with
that meter, and it has served me faithfully over the years without
serious mishap. It is still in weekly use, but not quite the daily use
that it once was. For some types of repair, the swinging needle of a
quality instrument like this, is so much more appropriate than a
digital
type ...

Arfa
--

I got used to the LCD after using one for 25 years but it took awhile
after using the EICO and a Simpson. The Beckman 310 was the first LCD I
owned. I found a benchtop Beckman with LED's back in the 90's I used for
several years before it failed beyond repair. Now using my faithful
Fluke
77. This is one that had a touch hold button in the middle of the
selector. It's hard to put aside the tools you've learned to trust after
decades.



Indeed it is. I have a hand portable DMM that is now the main workshop
workhorse, and I am very easy with it. I also have a bench true RMS 6
digit
job that is used fairly rarely. The AVO still gets used where I feel it is
the appropriate instrument for the job. I tend to be happier using it
around
tube circuitry for measuring volts, and I prefer its ohms ranges for
measuring semiconductor junctions, even though the DMM has a diode test
facility

Arfa

It's what you are used to. I started out with an AVO 7 I think it
was 500 Ohms per Volt. It certainly had an effect on circuits even in
the days before CMOS.

I could turn on transistors and generally interact with circuits using
it. Although a tool no doubt aimed at Electrical Engineers it proved a
useful diagnostic instrument in an electronics environment.

Oddly enough the AVO eight was potentially more accurate than todays
digital afferings. At 20 K to the Volt, The AVO took half the current
of the modern DMM.

It was a dashed big needle to shift too.


My gripe with the AVO was that although it was a robust instrument,
you could buy around fifteen less robust meters for the same price.
Similar accuracy, smaller scale though and at a major price reduction.
Plus of course the fact that you could buy batteries to keep the Ohm
fires burning at your local newsagent. I seem to recollect tht The AVO
needed some kind of battery / inverter replacement when Ever Ready
stopped producing their very expensive box of volts.


Had that problem with my Taylor meter - I wound a blocking oscillator coil
on a small toroid and simply shunted the output with a 30V zener, its
connected via a pushbutton to the 1.5V low Ohms battery.

"Windmill" wrote in message
...
Mike Tomlinson writes:

In article , Arfa Daily
writes
Even more annoying is that I have damaged the
meter by my own stupidity
Measured the resistance of the mains?

You too, eh?
But they are indeed tough beasts; apart from a shaky ohms-adjust pot
it's still working 25 years later.

Doubtful if you could do that with a modern DVM and get away with it.


My first ever DMM was fished out of the bin where I worked at the time, Ohms
& ACV didn't work.

When I opened it there was an OP-AMP in the middle of the PCB - it was sort
of easiest to try replacing that and it actually fixed the fault!

The employer very kindly loaned me a recently calibrated instrument and an
assortment of adjustable PSUs and resistance decade boxes so I could make
the neccessary adjustments to the presets next to the OP-AMP.

I still have it but its been relegated to the shed for occasional automotive
work.

On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 05:27:44 GMT lid
(Windmill) wrote in Message id: :

Mike Tomlinson writes:

In article , Arfa Daily
writes
Even more annoying is that I have damaged the
meter by my own stupidity
Measured the resistance of the mains?

You too, eh?
But they are indeed tough beasts; apart from a shaky ohms-adjust pot
it's still working 25 years later.

Doubtful if you could do that with a modern DVM and get away with it.

Not a cheap one maybe. My bench meter is a Keithley 2000 that will take
1KV peak when in resistance mode. Not that I'd do it on purpose, though...

"JW" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 05:27:44 GMT lid
(Windmill) wrote in Message id: :

Mike Tomlinson writes:

In article , Arfa Daily
writes
Even more annoying is that I have damaged the
meter by my own stupidity
Measured the resistance of the mains?

You too, eh?
But they are indeed tough beasts; apart from a shaky ohms-adjust pot
it's still working 25 years later.

Doubtful if you could do that with a modern DVM and get away with it.

Not a cheap one maybe. My bench meter is a Keithley 2000 that will take
1KV peak when in resistance mode. Not that I'd do it on purpose, though...



A Fluke 80 series III or later can survive this - not sure about the
original 80 series.
I wouldn't do it intentionally just to prove a point, though...

Mark Z.