asbestos cement garage roof
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 25, 4:47*pm, John Nagelson wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? heavens no. Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos. NT |
asbestos cement garage roof
"Tabby" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John Nagelson wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first, wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final part of the hole. Mike |
asbestos cement garage roof
On 25/02/2011 18:06, dave wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:53:21 -0000, "MuddyMike" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first, wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final part of the hole. Mike While that';; work ok :-), is it legal? I have no idea - just wondered. As I understand it burying it other than on an authorised site is not legal. Not all areas accept double wrapped asbestos cement at tips. In Essex the council will collect a small amount of asbestos cement free in each council tax year. Nothing like the amount involved in a garage roof though. I am hoping my corrugated asbestos cement garage roof manages a few years yet. Breaking wetted asbestos cement in good condition is not really hazardous. Drilling, sanding etc is. I dealt with plenty of asbestosis and mesothelioma claims years age and the latter is not a pleasant way to die. I would leave it. The new owner might want to do something completely different with the garage. |
asbestos cement garage roof
In message , MuddyMike
writes "Tabby" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John Nagelson wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first, wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final part of the hole. I spent some time building those garages, I was quite often the person standing underneath while the holes were being drilled to accept the roof bolts Asbestos cement really isn't that dangerous compared with other varieties "Asbestos exposure becomes a health concern when high concentrations of asbestos fibers are inhaled over a long time period.[30] People who become ill from inhaling asbestos are often those who are exposed on a day-to-day basis in a job where they worked directly with the material. As a person's exposure to fibers increases, because of being exposed to higher concentrations of fibers and/or by being exposed for a longer time, then that person's risk of disease also increases. Disease is very unlikely to result from a single, high-level exposure, or from a short period of exposure to lower levels.[30]" I suppose I fall into that category, but I don't lose sleep over it. Someone breaking up a roof once in their life really shouldn't be that concerned -- geoff |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 25, 4:54*pm, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:47*pm, John Nagelson wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? heavens no. Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos. NT Also a lot of people hear the word asbestos and freak. They've no idea what to do about it, and just go into an irrational panic. You lose buyers that way Asbestos buildings may be perfectly serviceable as well as safe if still in fair condition, but despite this almost no-one wants to retain them. NT |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 25, 6:06*pm, dave wrote:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:53:21 -0000, "MuddyMike" wrote: "Tabby" wrote in message ... On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John Nagelson wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first, wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final part of the hole. Mike While that';; work ok :-), is it legal? I have no idea - just wondered.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No it would be illegal, massive fines. Asbestos cement is not that dangerous, some fibres are released as it weathers. Our local recycle centre has a covered skip for asbestos. I disposed of several tons of asbestos cement roof "slates" by bagging them up and taking them down there bit by bit. (Over a period of months). In my car, vans are watched like a hawk. I think they are a bit more alert to that sort of thing now, I think it was costing them a lot to dispose of it. The amount of stuff that was going in that skip was amazing. It was a big skip but they had to empty it daily. Most of ot seemed to be corrugated asbestos cement sheeting. So, go down there and sus things out. |
asbestos cement garage roof
Some 30 years ago I built a 12ft x 30ft shed/workshop from a load of second-hand Uni-Seco panels scrounged from the demolition of old prefab buildings at RAF Swanton Morley. Being two layers of asbestos separated by a hardwood frame with some kind of insulation filling the centre they made an excellent building. I roofed it using some agricultural fibre and plastic corrugated sheets, the name of which escapes me now. That building was still standing two years ago when I last had contact with the folk that bought the house. My thoughts now is did I inhale anything nasty when I cut them all down in height with an electric saw? Was that insulation material some kind of nasty blue asbestos? When I did it I was oblivious of any danger from asbestos dust. As I was at about 10 years old when I helped my grandfather wire brush clean some second-hand asbestos sheets he was using to re roof his garage. Not that I let it worry me, what is done is done... Mike |
asbestos cement garage roof
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John Nagelson wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann |
asbestos cement garage roof
On 25/02/2011 23:51, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:54 pm, wrote: On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? heavens no. Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos. NT Also a lot of people hear the word asbestos and freak. They've no idea what to do about it, and just go into an irrational panic. You lose buyers that way Asbestos buildings may be perfectly serviceable as well as safe if still in fair condition, but despite this almost no-one wants to retain them. NT Intact asbestos sheets and sealed in asbestos is no problem. I used to blow out with a foot pump in a confined garage the dust from brake drums when linings contained asbestos. Now we know the risks I wouldn't do that now if they still contained asbestos. As I said in an earlier post I have dealt with clams from those suffering slow painful deaths from asbestos related diseases. I give asbestos suitable respect just like I don't cross the road without looking. |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 26, 12:18*pm, fred wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John Nagelson wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT |
asbestos cement garage roof
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you snip gotta link? Jim K |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. NT |
asbestos cement garage roof
On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. NT Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is. There are a lot of things that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out. I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the first time you fall off a ladder using one. |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 26, 7:13*pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible *wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, * *wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John * *wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. NT Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is. There are a lot of things that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out. I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the first time you fall off a ladder using one. quite so. I suggest that a fair starting point for what constitutes safe with asbestos is the exposure level at which the death rate is undetectable from the background of similar events. We don't know what that dose is, I'd be happy to bet though that its well above a one fibre exposure. NT |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Feb 26, 7:13 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. NT Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is. or where the danger actually starts.... There are a lot of things that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out. what appears to regularly happen in insurance claims bears little relation to honesty and truth, especially when there's a fat purse to be "won".... I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the first time you fall off a ladder using one. Aye - everything is relative --- especially risk. Jim K |
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On Feb 26, 11:47*am, "MuddyMike" wrote:
Some 30 years ago Was that insulation material some kind of nasty blue asbestos? 30 years ago (1980, not 1970) we had sensible policies on asbestos. Blue had been extinct since the '50s. Brown was disappearing from the few specialised uses for which it was still useful, although a health risk. White was being used safely, in well-regulated factories, and those using it on-site were aware of how to avoid increasing this risk. This was about as good as it got. Today we've gone stupid. We panic at the merest trace of white asbestos safely embedded in a cement matrix, when 35 years ago we'd have spanked any naughty apprentice who suggested it was a bad idea to have the stuff blowing in the streets like a snowstorm (look into the real history of Cyril Smith MP). If you've got white asbestos in cement, avoid breaking it up any further and dispose of what you do have through the council's channel. If you've got fluffy white asbestos, read up the relevant protocols and deal with it accordingly (really not that hard). If you're commercial, farm it out to the relevant people, because your need SAFETY PAPER more than you need safety. |
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On Feb 27, 12:43*pm, geoff wrote:
In message , harry writes On Feb 26, 10:44 pm, Andy Dingley wrote: On Feb 26, 11:47 am, "MuddyMike" wrote: Some 30 years ago Was that insulation material some kind of nasty blue asbestos? 30 years ago (1980, not 1970) we had sensible policies on asbestos. Blue had been extinct since the '50s. Brown was disappearing from the few specialised uses for which it was still useful, although a health risk. White was being used safely, in well-regulated factories, and those using it on-site were aware of how to avoid increasing this risk. This was about as good as it got. Today we've gone stupid. We panic at the merest trace of white asbestos safely embedded in a cement matrix, when 35 years ago we'd have spanked any naughty apprentice who suggested it was a bad idea to have the stuff blowing in the streets like a snowstorm (look into the real history of Cyril Smith MP). If you've got white asbestos in cement, avoid breaking it up any further and dispose of what you do have through the council's channel. If you've got fluffy white asbestos, read up the relevant protocols and deal with it accordingly (really not that hard). If you're commercial, farm it out to the relevant people, because your need SAFETY PAPER more than you need safety. Don't kid yourself. I was removing blue asbestos from hospitals in the late 90's. *It was all done on the QT. People walking about in "space suits" alarms people. It's still being found, even in buildings thought to be cleared out, ie got overlooked. *I spent millions of taxpayer's money on removal. All fibre cement made up to the early 80's is asbestos, it was still in use. It's still in use in 3rd world countries and gets imported from time to time. China and India still use it. DO NOT try to dispose of "fluffy asbestos yourself. Nobody was intending to You do not have the equipment or knowhow. The best thing you could do would be to sell the place. This has been done on quite a few occasions. Fines for improper disposal are massive. Is this Harry, look at me I know what I'm talking about" spouting fantasies again And you should shut from spouting such crap from a knowledge base of zero. Why - do you want to corner the market? -- geoff- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Can't help you being stupid. |
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On Feb 25, 11:51*pm, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:54*pm, Tabby wrote: On Feb 25, 4:47*pm, John Nagelson wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? heavens no. Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos. NT Also a lot of people hear the word asbestos and freak. They've no idea what to do about it, and just go into an irrational panic. SWMBO did that when the survey on a house we were buying came back with the news that it had an asbestos cement water tank. I made her 'phone the vendors agent with the bad news. You lose buyers that way They did. MBQ |
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On Feb 27, 11:03*am, harry wrote:
On Feb 26, 5:46*pm, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. NT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The official line is that there is no minimum safe level. * I f that were not true we would still be using asbestos. * You clearly don't understand the nature of risk and risk management, let alone statistics. Most of the ultra dangerous stuff has been removed in this country. *Now we are moving to the low level stuff (like asbestos cement). *I spent years identifying and removing it in our hospitals which were full of it. But so are schools, librarys etc. The one fibre thing is true in that one fibre can theoretically give you lung cancer and might have in some cases, there's no way of checking. The thing is, people are extremelly variable in their susceptibility. A girl died recently after her first kiss. Should we ban kissing? MBQ |
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On Feb 26, 5:46*pm, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. No, but my understanding was that the most likely explanation is that "one fibre can kill" is true - in the sense that in each case of fatal lung cancer there will have been a single fibre which caused the irritation which started the cancer. Of course, the chance that any one fibre will kill is microscopically small; but to be safe you want the chances that NONE of the fibres you are exposed to kill you to be high. |
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, harry writes And you should shut from spouting such crap from a knowledge base of zero. Why - do you want to corner the market? -- geoff- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Can't help you being stupid. You missed out the comma between "you" and "stupid" -- geoff |
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On Mar 1, 1:38 pm, Martin Bonner wrote:
On Feb 26, 5:46 pm, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible Man wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. No, but my understanding was that the most likely explanation is that "one fibre can kill" is true - in the sense that in each case of fatal lung cancer there will have been a single fibre which caused the irritation which started the cancer. ?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too many of them" to cope with... Jim K |
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On Feb 27, 11:18*am, harry wrote:
On Feb 26, 7:33*pm, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 7:13*pm, Invisible Man wrote: On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible *wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, * *wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John * *wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. NT Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is. There are a lot of things that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out. I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the first time you fall off a ladder using one. quite so. I suggest that a fair starting point for what constitutes safe with asbestos is the exposure level at which the death rate is undetectable from the background of similar events. We don't know what that dose is, I'd be happy to bet though that its well above a one fibre exposure. NT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You would lose. find me one single adult alive today that hasnt been exposed to at least one asbestos fibre. You wont find them. NT |
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On Mar 1, 10:27*am, "Man at B&Q" wrote:
On Feb 27, 11:03*am, harry wrote: On Feb 26, 5:46*pm, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. NT- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The official line is that there is no minimum safe level. * I f that were not true we would still be using asbestos. * You clearly don't understand the nature of risk and risk management, let alone statistics. It would be helpful for Harry to learn how the no safe minimum concept came about. It is of course a nonsense, just the result of courtroom bs. NT |
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On Mar 1, 9:04*pm, Jim K wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:38 pm, Martin Bonner wrote: On Feb 26, 5:46 pm, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible Man wrote: On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote: On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote: On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote: My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos professionals? Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind. It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what? After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will reflect this. John When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out. I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de- commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed, they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ? Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green. Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of it. Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it. Paul Mc Cann Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over years, not the odd one off trace level exposure. NT One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far more likely to contract something. The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what constitutes a safe dose. No, but my understanding was that the most likely explanation is that "one fibre can kill" is true - in the sense that in each case of fatal lung cancer there will have been a single fibre which caused the irritation which started the cancer. ?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too many of them" to cope with... Jim K It also seems to overlook that every adult alive today has inhaled a number of asbestos fibres. NT |
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Tabby wrote:
?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too many of them" to cope with... Jim K It also seems to overlook that every adult alive today has inhaled a number of asbestos fibres. The problem is that 'no safe minimum' is true for just about everything especially stuff that gets into lungs. If you are a smoker or have bronchial issues, and a single particle of something nasty gets in there, and doesn't get coughed out, you *can* develop cancers etc. The chance is vanishingly small, but is still there. And that's the trouble with all this BS. The real issue is whether you have - say - as high as an equal chance of dying from that as from any other cause. In her words you want to drive in this case, asbestos related disease down into the noise of general disease. I used to wet Rawplastic - pure asbestos +cement - with spittle and used it extensively in the 1970s. I haven't died yet. All the illnesses were really in factory settings where it was in the air as a dust in large quantities. Asbestosis is according to a net source, deep scarring of the lungs caused by prolonged and heavy exposure to asbestos. Its not actually a one fibre cancer style disease at all. It is general impairment of lung function over a long period of exposure to high levels. NT |
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On Mar 2, 12:48 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote: Tabby wrote: ?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too many of them" to cope with... Jim K It also seems to overlook that every adult alive today has inhaled a number of asbestos fibres. The problem is that 'no safe minimum' is true for just about everything especially stuff that gets into lungs. If you are a smoker or have bronchial issues, and a single particle of something nasty gets in there, and doesn't get coughed out, you *can* develop cancers etc. The chance is vanishingly small, but is still there. And that's the trouble with all this BS. The real issue is whether you have - say - as high as an equal chance of dying from that as from any other cause. In her words you want to drive in this case, asbestos related disease down into the noise of general disease. I used to wet Rawplastic - pure asbestos +cement - with spittle and used it extensively in the 1970s. I haven't died yet. All the illnesses were really in factory settings where it was in the air as a dust in large quantities. Asbestosis is according to a net source, deep scarring of the lungs caused by prolonged and heavy exposure to asbestos. Its not actually a one fibre cancer style disease at all. It is general impairment of lung function over a long period of exposure to high levels. whereas mesothelioma is an asbestos induced cancer.... Jim K |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
[snip] All the illnesses were really in factory settings where it was in the air as a dust in large quantities. Complete cobblers, wrong at many levels. Asbestosis was common amongst the relatives of those who worked in the asbestosis industry. The small quantities of fibre on clothing were sufficient to initiate the disease. Individuals exposed to tiny quantities of asbestos from brake dust, constructional panels and other minor uses of asbestos have died from asbestosis. A relative contracted the condition (mesothelioma) when his only possible contact had been a single week on a single building project. Asbestosis is according to a net source, deep scarring of the lungs caused by prolonged and heavy exposure to asbestos. Its not actually a one fibre cancer style disease at all. It is general impairment of lung function over a long period of exposure to high levels. That's misleading ******** since mesothelioma, the usual fatal consequence of asbestos exposure, is very much a "one fibre" form of cancer and there is no safe limit known for fibre exposure below which mesothelioma cannot occur (source HSE). Your comment makes as much sense as stating that there's no danger of getting dandruff if one sticks ones head into a blender therefore it's fine to stick one's head into a blender. |
asbestos cement garage roof
Asbestos actually comprises two distinct mineral types:
Chrysotile - White asbestos, is actually a form of serpentine - Short fibes, used in asbestos-cement products - Dissolves readily in lung tissue (2-12 months) - Treat as with any other inhaled dust (all dust is harmful, be it household, diesel particulates, MDF or hardwood cutting) Crocidolite - blue/brown asbestos from amphibole group of minerals with completely different crystal structures and chemical properties. - Very long fibres, used in lagging, bulk insulation & fabric - Does not dissolve in lungs, permanent, causes mesothelioma - Not used for house soffits, garage roof or walls in recent periods There is no requirement for specialised contractors for Chrysotile, but realise companies can do the old woodworm trick "pulling dust out of their pocket from elsewhere". They may quote low to get in the door, but then miraculously the bill escalates - until insurers question the 20,000 bill and suddenly find the alleged board did not exist in the house. Chrysotile boards are a simply fantastic insulator re solar gain (and fire proofing), and the garages are usually extremely well ventilated re drying from the roof panel corrugations and any door gap. The easiest to remove are the J-bolt fitted roof panels - pretty much bolt cropper the J and slide off. Realise however the panels are brittle (do not walk on) and the steel frame is typically very weak with the chrysotile panels themselves providing a surprising amount of bracing. Many local councils will take chrysotile double bagged, but not all. It is quite possible to dismantle a panel at a time and replace with various agricultural boards so you have a migration over years. Worth doing, but beware the panels may be supporting a fair amount of load if the frame is heavily corroded. You are more likely to be injured by the thing collapsing. Do not angle grind basically. |
asbestos cement garage roof
On Mar 2, 3:53*pm, Steve Firth wrote:
Asbestosis was common amongst the relatives of those who worked in the asbestosis industry. It was common amongst the _wives_ of those who worked in the industry, or at least whoever it was who did the laundry. Comparatively few other people living under the same roof were affected, it was the close handling of contaminated clothing (and remember, this is the manual or twin-tub laundry era) that did it. |
asbestos cement garage roof
Andy Dingley wrote:
On Mar 2, 3:53 pm, Steve Firth wrote: Asbestosis was common amongst the relatives of those who worked in the asbestosis industry. It was common amongst the _wives_ of those who worked in the industry, No, it affected other family members as well. It was wives who were likely to be affected but it wasn't uncommon for others in the family to suffer. or at least whoever it was who did the laundry. Comparatively few other people living under the same roof were affected, it was the close handling of contaminated clothing (and remember, this is the manual or twin-tub laundry era) that did it. Fibres shed from clothes were enough. Although I can remember that asbestos workers used to bring samples home and purloin scraps to make items from within the family so there were other ways of spreading asbestos fibres around. |
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