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My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?

Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.

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On Feb 25, 4:47*pm, John Nagelson wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


heavens no.


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it.


It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos.

The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.

John


If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is
likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It
needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos.


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On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John Nagelson wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while
back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company
to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a
JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first,
wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final
part of the hole.

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On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while
back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company
to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a
JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first,
wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final
part of the hole.

Mike


While that';; work ok :-), is it legal?
I have no idea - just wondered.


As I understand it burying it other than on an authorised site is not legal.
Not all areas accept double wrapped asbestos cement at tips. In Essex
the council will collect a small amount of asbestos cement free in each
council tax year. Nothing like the amount involved in a garage roof though.
I am hoping my corrugated asbestos cement garage roof manages a few
years yet.
Breaking wetted asbestos cement in good condition is not really
hazardous. Drilling, sanding etc is. I dealt with plenty of asbestosis
and mesothelioma claims years age and the latter is not a pleasant way
to die.

I would leave it. The new owner might want to do something completely
different with the garage.
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On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John Nagelson wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while
back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company
to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a
JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first,
wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final
part of the hole.

I spent some time building those garages, I was quite often the person
standing underneath while the holes were being drilled to accept the
roof bolts

Asbestos cement really isn't that dangerous compared with other
varieties



"Asbestos exposure becomes a health concern when high concentrations of
asbestos fibers are inhaled over a long time period.[30] People who
become ill from inhaling asbestos are often those who are exposed on a
day-to-day basis in a job where they worked directly with the material.
As a person's exposure to fibers increases, because of being exposed to
higher concentrations of fibers and/or by being exposed for a longer
time, then that person's risk of disease also increases. Disease is very
unlikely to result from a single, high-level exposure, or from a short
period of exposure to lower levels.[30]"

I suppose I fall into that category, but I don't lose sleep over it.
Someone breaking up a roof once in their life really shouldn't be that
concerned


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On Feb 25, 4:54*pm, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:47*pm, John Nagelson wrote:

My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


heavens no.

Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it.


It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos.

The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is
likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It
needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos.

NT


Also a lot of people hear the word asbestos and freak. They've no idea
what to do about it, and just go into an irrational panic. You lose
buyers that way

Asbestos buildings may be perfectly serviceable as well as safe if
still in fair condition, but despite this almost no-one wants to
retain them.


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"Tabby" wrote in message
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On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John Nagelson wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


A pal disposed of an old asbestos panel Uni-Seco prefab building a while
back. A builder had been charged thousands by a specialist removal company
to dismantle a similar one nearby so he just dug a bloody great hole with a
JCB and pushed it in. He did limit his exposure by soaking everything first,
wearing a fairly sophisticated mask, and dumping his overalls in the final
part of the hole.


Mike


While that';; work ok :-), is it legal?
I have no idea - just wondered.- Hide quoted text -

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No it would be illegal, massive fines.
Asbestos cement is not that dangerous, some fibres are released as it
weathers.

Our local recycle centre has a covered skip for asbestos. I disposed
of several tons of asbestos cement roof "slates" by bagging them up
and taking them down there bit by bit. (Over a period of months). In
my car, vans are watched like a hawk.

I think they are a bit more alert to that sort of thing now, I think
it was costing them a lot to dispose of it.

The amount of stuff that was going in that skip was amazing. It was a
big skip but they had to empty it daily. Most of ot seemed to be
corrugated asbestos cement sheeting.

So, go down there and sus things out.
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Some 30 years ago I built a 12ft x 30ft shed/workshop from a load of
second-hand Uni-Seco panels scrounged from the demolition of old prefab
buildings at RAF Swanton Morley.
Being two layers of asbestos separated by a hardwood frame with some kind of
insulation filling the centre they made an excellent building. I roofed it
using some agricultural fibre and plastic corrugated sheets, the name of
which escapes me now. That building was still standing two years ago when I
last had contact with the folk that bought the house.
My thoughts now is did I inhale anything nasty when I cut them all down in
height with an electric saw? Was that insulation material some kind of nasty
blue asbestos?
When I did it I was oblivious of any danger from asbestos dust. As I was at
about 10 years old when I helped my grandfather wire brush clean some
second-hand asbestos sheets he was using to re roof his garage.
Not that I let it worry me, what is done is done...

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On 25 Feb, 16:47, John Nagelson wrote:
My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?

Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.

John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.

I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.

Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.

Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.

Paul Mc Cann
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On 25/02/2011 23:51, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:54 pm, wrote:
On Feb 25, 4:47 pm, John wrote:

My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


heavens no.

Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it.


It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos.

The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is
likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It
needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos.

NT


Also a lot of people hear the word asbestos and freak. They've no idea
what to do about it, and just go into an irrational panic. You lose
buyers that way

Asbestos buildings may be perfectly serviceable as well as safe if
still in fair condition, but despite this almost no-one wants to
retain them.


NT


Intact asbestos sheets and sealed in asbestos is no problem. I used to
blow out with a foot pump in a confined garage the dust from brake drums
when linings contained asbestos. Now we know the risks I wouldn't do
that now if they still contained asbestos.
As I said in an earlier post I have dealt with clams from those
suffering slow painful deaths from asbestos related diseases.
I give asbestos suitable respect just like I don't cross the road
without looking.


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On Feb 26, 12:18*pm, fred wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John Nagelson wrote:



My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.

I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.

Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.

Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.

Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


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On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote:



My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.

I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.

Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.

Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.

Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.
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On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:



On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you snip


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On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:



On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


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On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote:
On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:



On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


NT


Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is. There are a lot of things
that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but
having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out.
I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I
have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle
grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the
first time you fall off a ladder using one.


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On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote:



On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible *wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, * *wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John * *wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


NT


Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is. There are a lot of things
that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but
having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out.
I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I
have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle
grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the
first time you fall off a ladder using one.


quite so. I suggest that a fair starting point for what constitutes
safe with asbestos is the exposure level at which the death rate is
undetectable from the background of similar events. We don't know what
that dose is, I'd be happy to bet though that its well above a one
fibre exposure.


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On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote:



On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


NT


Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is.


or where the danger actually starts....

There are a lot of things
that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but
having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out.


what appears to regularly happen in insurance claims bears little
relation to honesty and truth, especially when there's a fat purse to
be "won"....

I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I
have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle
grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the
first time you fall off a ladder using one.


Aye - everything is relative --- especially risk.

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Some 30 years ago


Was that insulation material some kind of nasty blue asbestos?


30 years ago (1980, not 1970) we had sensible policies on asbestos.
Blue had been extinct since the '50s. Brown was disappearing from the
few specialised uses for which it was still useful, although a health
risk. White was being used safely, in well-regulated factories, and
those using it on-site were aware of how to avoid increasing this
risk. This was about as good as it got.

Today we've gone stupid. We panic at the merest trace of white
asbestos safely embedded in a cement matrix, when 35 years ago we'd
have spanked any naughty apprentice who suggested it was a bad idea to
have the stuff blowing in the streets like a snowstorm (look into the
real history of Cyril Smith MP).

If you've got white asbestos in cement, avoid breaking it up any
further and dispose of what you do have through the council's channel.
If you've got fluffy white asbestos, read up the relevant protocols
and deal with it accordingly (really not that hard). If you're
commercial, farm it out to the relevant people, because your need
SAFETY PAPER more than you need safety.
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On Feb 26, 10:44 pm, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Feb 26, 11:47 am, "MuddyMike" wrote:


Some 30 years ago
Was that insulation material some kind of nasty blue asbestos?


30 years ago (1980, not 1970) we had sensible policies on asbestos.
Blue had been extinct since the '50s. Brown was disappearing from the
few specialised uses for which it was still useful, although a health
risk. White was being used safely, in well-regulated factories, and
those using it on-site were aware of how to avoid increasing this
risk. This was about as good as it got.


Today we've gone stupid. We panic at the merest trace of white
asbestos safely embedded in a cement matrix, when 35 years ago we'd
have spanked any naughty apprentice who suggested it was a bad idea to
have the stuff blowing in the streets like a snowstorm (look into the
real history of Cyril Smith MP).


If you've got white asbestos in cement, avoid breaking it up any
further and dispose of what you do have through the council's channel.
If you've got fluffy white asbestos, read up the relevant protocols
and deal with it accordingly (really not that hard). If you're
commercial, farm it out to the relevant people, because your need
SAFETY PAPER more than you need safety.


Don't kid yourself. I was removing blue asbestos from hospitals in the
late 90's. *It was all done on the QT. People walking about in "space
suits" alarms people.
It's still being found, even in buildings thought to be cleared out,
ie got overlooked. *I spent millions of taxpayer's money on removal.
All fibre cement made up to the early 80's is asbestos, it was still
in use.
It's still in use in 3rd world countries and gets imported from time
to time. China and India still use it.


DO NOT try to dispose of "fluffy asbestos yourself.


Nobody was intending to

You do not have
the equipment or knowhow. The best thing you could do would be to sell
the place.
This has been done on quite a few occasions.
Fines for improper disposal are massive.


Is this Harry, look at me I know what I'm talking about" spouting
fantasies again



And you should shut from spouting such crap from a knowledge base of
zero.


Why - do you want to corner the market?

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On Feb 25, 4:54*pm, Tabby wrote:



On Feb 25, 4:47*pm, John Nagelson wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


heavens no.


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it.


It would be unusual for a surveyor to test any suspected asbestos.


The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


If it were mine I'd dispose of the abestos myself, as whoever buys is
likely to be looking to pay someone silly money to get rid of it. It
needs to be double bagged and taken to a tip that accepts asbestos.


NT


Also a lot of people hear the word asbestos and freak. They've no idea
what to do about it, and just go into an irrational panic.


SWMBO did that when the survey on a house we were buying came back
with the news that it had an asbestos cement water tank. I made her
'phone the vendors agent with the bad news.

You lose buyers that way


They did.

MBQ




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On Feb 26, 5:46*pm, Tabby wrote:



On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote:


On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green..


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


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The official line is that there is no minimum safe level. * I f that
were not true we would still be using asbestos. *


You clearly don't understand the nature of risk and risk management,
let alone statistics.

Most of the ultra
dangerous stuff has been removed in this country. *Now we are moving
to the low level stuff (like asbestos cement). *I spent years
identifying and removing it in our hospitals which were full of it.
But so are schools, librarys etc.

The one fibre thing is true in that one fibre can theoretically give
you lung cancer and might have in some cases, there's no way of
checking. The thing is, people are extremelly variable in their
susceptibility.


A girl died recently after her first kiss. Should we ban kissing?

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On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote:









On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.



No, but my understanding was that the most likely explanation is that
"one fibre can kill" is true - in the sense that in each case of fatal
lung cancer there will have been a single fibre which caused the
irritation which started the cancer. Of course, the chance that any
one fibre will kill is microscopically small; but to be safe you want
the chances that NONE of the fibres you are exposed to kill you to be
high.
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On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible Man wrote:


On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


No, but my understanding was that the most likely explanation is that
"one fibre can kill" is true - in the sense that in each case of fatal
lung cancer there will have been a single fibre which caused the
irritation which started the cancer.


?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too
many of them" to cope with...

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On Feb 26, 7:13*pm, Invisible Man wrote:


On 26/02/2011 17:46, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible *wrote:
On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, * *wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John * *wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


NT


Agreed nobody knows what the safe limit is. There are a lot of things
that can kill and one fibre is probably one of the least likely but
having spent over 35 years around insurance claims I wouldn't rule much out.
I live quite happily with asbestos cement soffits and garage roof and I
have broken up sheet asbestos. It's a bit like circular saws, angle
grinders etc. You take a bit of care with them but you could be dead the
first time you fall off a ladder using one.


quite so. I suggest that a fair starting point for what constitutes
safe with asbestos is the exposure level at which the death rate is
undetectable from the background of similar events. We don't know what
that dose is, I'd be happy to bet though that its well above a one
fibre exposure.


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You would lose.


find me one single adult alive today that hasnt been exposed to at
least one asbestos fibre. You wont find them.


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On Mar 1, 10:27*am, "Man at B&Q" wrote:
On Feb 27, 11:03*am, harry wrote:



On Feb 26, 5:46*pm, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 5:11*pm, Invisible Man wrote:


On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


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The official line is that there is no minimum safe level. * I f that
were not true we would still be using asbestos. *


You clearly don't understand the nature of risk and risk management,
let alone statistics.


It would be helpful for Harry to learn how the no safe minimum concept
came about. It is of course a nonsense, just the result of courtroom
bs.


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On Mar 1, 9:04*pm, Jim K wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:38 pm, Martin Bonner wrote:



On Feb 26, 5:46 pm, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 5:11 pm, Invisible Man wrote:


On 26/02/2011 15:28, Tabby wrote:


On Feb 26, 12:18 pm, *wrote:
On 25 Feb, 16:47, John *wrote:


My garage roof is made of corrugated asbestos, probably "asbestos
cement". It's not leaking, but it's old. I'm getting someone in to
replace the lintel and redo a bit of brickwork above it. What's the
position? Am I right to think that if the asbestos gets broken, then
fibres get released and basically I need to hire some asbestos
professionals?


Incidentally I'll be selling the house, which is in need of various
kinds of attention. There's no confusion over the asbestos - the
garage roof is certainly made of it, although I don't know what kind.
It was mentioned on my surveyor's report when I bought it. The
asbestos will be brought to the attention of my buyer. Should I just
leave the garage alone and let the next person deal with it, or what?
After all, they'll have to do loads of other work...and the price will
reflect this.


John


When I were a lad I fell through an asbestos roof. Tore a huge hole in
the back of my thigh. While face down on the operating table I kept
complaining to the surgeon about the pain in my foot. At first he just
dismissed me but eventually put two or three stitches in the gash
across my instep just to shut me up. The cretin actually stitched a
small piece of asbestos, which was in the cut, into my foot. I had a
strange lump there for a long time until after a few years it started
to weep. Turns out gangrene had set in. Had to be cut out.


I think a lot of tosh is talked about the dangers of asbestos. The
E.S.B. (Electricity Supply Board in Ireland) knocked down de-
commissioned turf burning power stations some years ago. When asked
how they had disposed of the asbestos, with which they were stuffed,
they replied they had dumped it in a local bog. Where exactly ?
Mmmmmmmm can't remember where. Which shut the environmentalists up PDQ
as presumably the eco damage sustained by digging up a whole bog
looking for a load of asbestos would have been completely un-green.


Ironing boards had asbestos pads years ago and ISTR asbestos sheet
being used for soffits at one time also. Up until about 30 odd years
ago the majority of factories and warehouses were roofed with the
stuff Strange, never heard on any mass deaths because of that. Same
goes for lead paint. Another load of b****x talked about disposing of
it.


Just break it up into small pieces and black bag it.


Paul Mc Cann


Unfortunately there are mass deaths happening from it, the stats are
pretty horrid. But as someone said, its from a lot of exposure over
years, not the odd one off trace level exposure.


NT


One fibre can kill you but obviously if you spent your career putting in
asbestos insulation or washed overalls for someone who did you are far
more likely to contract something.


The much heard claim that one fibre can kill is baseless. Its the
result of courtroom bs. There's simply no knowledge as to what
constitutes a safe dose.


No, but my understanding was that the most likely explanation is that
"one fibre can kill" is true - in the sense that in each case of fatal
lung cancer there will have been a single fibre which caused the
irritation which started the cancer.


?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too
many of them" to cope with...

Jim K


It also seems to overlook that every adult alive today has inhaled a
number of asbestos fibres.


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?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too
many of them" to cope with...

Jim K


It also seems to overlook that every adult alive today has inhaled a
number of asbestos fibres.



The problem is that 'no safe minimum' is true for just about everything
especially stuff that gets into lungs.

If you are a smoker or have bronchial issues, and a single particle of
something nasty gets in there, and doesn't get coughed out, you *can*
develop cancers etc.

The chance is vanishingly small, but is still there.

And that's the trouble with all this BS. The real issue is whether you
have - say - as high as an equal chance of dying from that as from any
other cause.

In her words you want to drive in this case, asbestos related disease
down into the noise of general disease.
I used to wet Rawplastic - pure asbestos +cement - with spittle and used
it extensively in the 1970s. I haven't died yet.

All the illnesses were really in factory settings where it was in the
air as a dust in large quantities.

Asbestosis is according to a net source, deep scarring of the lungs
caused by prolonged and heavy exposure to asbestos. Its not actually a
one fibre cancer style disease at all. It is general impairment of lung
function over a long period of exposure to high levels.



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Tabby wrote:
?large presumption that cancer starts as an "it" rather than a "too
many of them" to cope with...


Jim K


It also seems to overlook that every adult alive today has inhaled a
number of asbestos fibres.


The problem is that 'no safe minimum' is true for just about everything
especially stuff that gets into lungs.

If you are a smoker or have bronchial issues, and a single particle of
something nasty gets in there, and doesn't get coughed out, you *can*
develop cancers etc.

The chance is vanishingly small, but is still there.

And that's the trouble with all this BS. The real issue is whether you
have - say - as high as an equal chance of dying from that as from any
other cause.

In her words you want to drive in this case, asbestos related disease
down into the noise of general disease.
I used to wet Rawplastic - pure asbestos +cement - with spittle and used
it extensively in the 1970s. I haven't died yet.

All the illnesses were really in factory settings where it was in the
air as a dust in large quantities.

Asbestosis is according to a net source, deep scarring of the lungs
caused by prolonged and heavy exposure to asbestos. Its not actually a
one fibre cancer style disease at all. It is general impairment of lung
function over a long period of exposure to high levels.


whereas mesothelioma is an asbestos induced cancer....

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All the illnesses were really in factory settings where it was in the air
as a dust in large quantities.


Complete cobblers, wrong at many levels. Asbestosis was common amongst the
relatives of those who worked in the asbestosis industry. The small
quantities of fibre on clothing were sufficient to initiate the disease.
Individuals exposed to tiny quantities of asbestos from brake dust,
constructional panels and other minor uses of asbestos have died from
asbestosis. A relative contracted the condition (mesothelioma) when his
only possible contact had been a single week on a single building project.

Asbestosis is according to a net source, deep scarring of the lungs
caused by prolonged and heavy exposure to asbestos. Its not actually a
one fibre cancer style disease at all. It is general impairment of lung
function over a long period of exposure to high levels.


That's misleading ******** since mesothelioma, the usual fatal consequence
of asbestos exposure, is very much a "one fibre" form of cancer and there
is no safe limit known for fibre exposure below which mesothelioma cannot
occur (source HSE).

Your comment makes as much sense as stating that there's no danger of
getting dandruff if one sticks ones head into a blender therefore it's fine
to stick one's head into a blender.


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Asbestos actually comprises two distinct mineral types:

Chrysotile
- White asbestos, is actually a form of serpentine
- Short fibes, used in asbestos-cement products
- Dissolves readily in lung tissue (2-12 months)
- Treat as with any other inhaled dust (all dust is harmful, be it
household, diesel particulates, MDF or hardwood cutting)

Crocidolite
- blue/brown asbestos from amphibole group of minerals with completely
different crystal structures and chemical properties.
- Very long fibres, used in lagging, bulk insulation & fabric
- Does not dissolve in lungs, permanent, causes mesothelioma
- Not used for house soffits, garage roof or walls in recent periods

There is no requirement for specialised contractors for Chrysotile,
but realise companies can do the old woodworm trick "pulling dust out
of their pocket from elsewhere". They may quote low to get in the
door, but then miraculously the bill escalates - until insurers
question the 20,000 bill and suddenly find the alleged board did not
exist in the house.

Chrysotile boards are a simply fantastic insulator re solar gain (and
fire proofing), and the garages are usually extremely well ventilated
re drying from the roof panel corrugations and any door gap.

The easiest to remove are the J-bolt fitted roof panels - pretty much
bolt cropper the J and slide off. Realise however the panels are
brittle (do not walk on) and the steel frame is typically very weak
with the chrysotile panels themselves providing a surprising amount of
bracing. Many local councils will take chrysotile double bagged, but
not all. It is quite possible to dismantle a panel at a time and
replace with various agricultural boards so you have a migration over
years. Worth doing, but beware the panels may be supporting a fair
amount of load if the frame is heavily corroded. You are more likely
to be injured by the thing collapsing. Do not angle grind basically.
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Asbestosis was common amongst the
relatives of those who worked in the asbestosis industry.


It was common amongst the _wives_ of those who worked in the industry,
or at least whoever it was who did the laundry. Comparatively few
other people living under the same roof were affected, it was the
close handling of contaminated clothing (and remember, this is the
manual or twin-tub laundry era) that did it.
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On Mar 2, 3:53 pm, Steve Firth wrote:

Asbestosis was common amongst the
relatives of those who worked in the asbestosis industry.


It was common amongst the _wives_ of those who worked in the industry,


No, it affected other family members as well. It was wives who were
likely to be affected but it wasn't uncommon for others in the family to
suffer.

or at least whoever it was who did the laundry. Comparatively few
other people living under the same roof were affected, it was the
close handling of contaminated clothing (and remember, this is the
manual or twin-tub laundry era) that did it.


Fibres shed from clothes were enough. Although I can remember that
asbestos workers used to bring samples home and purloin scraps to make
items from within the family so there were other ways of spreading
asbestos fibres around.
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