I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing gas
boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read with
interest.

In message , Malcolm H
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I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing
gas boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the
following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read
with interest.

Most fitters prefer to it the ecotec, worcester quality seems to be
dropping a bit

HOWEVER,

there are cheaper boilers on the market with a 5 year warranty. Without
the warranty, they're not worth a second look, but, given that a modern
boiler has an expected lifetime of 5-7 years, it might be an approach
worth thinking about


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geoff

On 14/02/2011 12:07, Malcolm H wrote:
I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing
gas boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the
following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read
with interest.

I bought the Vaillant, based upon my own and others' experiences of
using them in the past. However, it can be difficult to find a boiler
service company that is familiar with them, which may be where the
adverse reports have their origin.

Colin Bignell

On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:11:31 +0000, geoff wrote:

the warranty, they're not worth a second look, but, given that a modern
boiler has an expected lifetime of 5-7 years

C'mon geoff that's for the crap you make your living selling parts for!
And even Ideals can last 5 years*. I'd expect the better made current
generation to be pootling along with the sort of lifetimes we're currently
seeing for W-B 'i's and CDis, Profiles and Solos.

Damn' well hope so for iJuniors or I'm going to have some unhappy
customers (or ex-customers) down the line ...


* that's in heating: in politics substitute 'minutes' for 'years' ;-)



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On 14/02/2011 12:07, Malcolm H wrote:
I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing
gas boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the
following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read
with interest.

Some interesting comments from YAPH in a related question I once asked:

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...aa3bfe77?hl=en

Full thread:

https://groups.google.com/group/uk.d...09cc1e9c?hl=en

Happily, touch-wood an' aw tha', I still have the Potterton. :-)

Kostas

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In message , YAPH
writes
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 22:11:31 +0000, geoff wrote:

the warranty, they're not worth a second look, but, given that a modern
boiler has an expected lifetime of 5-7 years

C'mon geoff that's for the crap you make your living selling parts for!
And even Ideals can last 5 years*. I'd expect the better made current
generation to be pootling along with the sort of lifetimes we're currently
seeing for W-B 'i's and CDis, Profiles and Solos.

Damn' well hope so for iJuniors or I'm going to have some unhappy
customers (or ex-customers) down the line ...

Quite a lot of people I've talked to seem to be thinking along the lines
of getting a long warranty rather than a good make.

Not something I would have advised last year, but I'm beginning to
change my mind



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On Feb 14, 12:07*pm, "Malcolm H" wrote:
I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing gas
boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read with
interest.

Vaillant would be my choice but you have to get an installer that
knows the Vaillant 400 series VERY well, they can be quite tricky to
set up, you can always go for the 615 model which is better.

On 14/02/2011 12:07, Malcolm H wrote:
I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing
gas boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the
following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read
with interest.


I don't know the current Valliant range particularly well, but I have
installed a WB combi recently and was impressed with the design and
fitting arrangements.
By contrast I've also fitted a glow-worm a few months ago considered it
to be crap by comparison to the WB.

In article ,
says...

On 14/02/2011 12:07, Malcolm H wrote:
I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing
gas boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the
following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read
with interest.


I don't know the current Valliant range particularly well, but I have
installed a WB combi recently and was impressed with the design and
fitting arrangements.
By contrast I've also fitted a glow-worm a few months ago considered it
to be crap by comparison to the WB.


WB ZB 11-40 R 40E installed Dec 2004. Annual check £50
Replacements: 1 Thermocouple assembly & Exchanger Gasket Dec 2010.
No other problems so far.

On 16/02/2011 15:42, VAG_dude wrote:
On Feb 14, 12:07 pm, "Malcolm wrote:
I am on the verge of placing an order for a 15kW open vent condensing gas
boiler, with vertical flue, and have narrowed the choice to the following:

Valliant ecoTEC plus 415 or Worcester Greenstar 15RI

Apparently the Valliant is a newer design but the Worcester (Bosch) has
better construction with superior service and warranty.

Any comments based on recent experience are welcomed and will be read with
interest.

Vaillant would be my choice but you have to get an installer that
knows the Vaillant 400 series VERY well, they can be quite tricky to
set up, you can always go for the 615 model which is better.

It's different, isn't it, the 615 is a system (with the pump included),
the 415 is just a heating only (Open Vent per Vaillant terminology) boiler.

Good to know the warning about them being tricky to install, though...

Kostas

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