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Are steel security cables choppable?
I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who
bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? Thanks Jilly |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 29, 6:58*pm, Jilly wrote:
I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? Thanks Jilly Have a look at motorcycle security chains/cables (talk to the people in a motorcycle shop about what's good). However, with a generator, there's probably a steel frame that can be sawn more easily than the better security chains/cables. Also look at motion-sensors/lights/sirens triggered if someone goes *near* the generator. BTW how do you know they used an axe on the lock? Video? |
Are steel security cables choppable?
Jilly wrote:
A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? Any device used to secure property can be overcome. I've had 200Kg generators stolen from locked sheds in which the generator was padlocked using cable to an eyebolt in the floor. The thieves found it easier to saw through the eye bolt than the cable. No matter what you do, someone will find a way around it. All you can hope to do is delay them. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
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I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? Any braided wire cable is difficult to saw through, even given plenty of time, but an angle grinder (battery version) will make short work of it. The best way is to either make the cable and padlock inaccessible, or find some other way to secure it. Could you perhaps set a substantial part of the generator frame locked below ground level, in concrete, with a lock which is inaccessible to tools. -- Regards, Harry (M1BYT) (L) http://www.ukradioamateur.co.uk |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 29, 6:58*pm, Jilly wrote:
I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? Thanks Jilly braided cables last less time than these chains aginst bolt cutters; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf35C7wu6Q Cheers Adam |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On 29/12/2010 19:15, Steve Firth wrote:
wrote: A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? Any device used to secure property can be overcome. I've had 200Kg generators stolen from locked sheds in which the generator was padlocked using cable to an eyebolt in the floor. The thieves found it easier to saw through the eye bolt than the cable. No matter what you do, someone will find a way around it. All you can hope to do is delay them. You're so right. My dad used to say that the only thing a lock does is to keep honest people that way. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
BTW how do you know they used an axe on the lock? Video? It was on the door - there are large slashes in the wood, and grooves dented into the top of the brass body. It was a fairly substantial (50mm Abus) padlock. Thank goodness it broke without them demolishing the door as well. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
Jilly gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. It's a battle of wits, an arms race - against a scrote whose whole raison d'etre is nicking anything that they can. You can never win. You can only persuade them to try something easier. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
"Jilly" wrote in message ... I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? A cordless angle grinder will go through anything you can get at a reasonable price. Cheap bolt cutters will go through most of the stuff and bolt cutters are easy to steal in the first place. They can always cut the generators frame to get the lock off. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:58:57 -0800, Jilly wrote:
A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? It'll get angle-grinded anyway, so nothing's truly secure. Scribing some security-marks into various parts and slapping a prominent sign on it to say that you've done so might not be a bad idea. Maybe look into camera setups, too - things seem to be getting quite cheap these days in that area (heck, it seems like you can get a trail camera with night-vision and a year of battery life for less than a hundred quid now). |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 29, 6:58*pm, Jilly wrote:
I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. Read some bike mags or motorbike mags for reviews of kit. One of the easiest ways to break such a security device is to hammer on the padlock - so when you lock up, make sure that the chain can't be re-arranged so that the padlock is placed on the ground where it's easy to hit. Cables aren't really much use - always far too easy to cut. Chains are what you need. You also need a good chain: welded links, good alloy, probably trapezoidal section rod rather than round. As to a padlock, then the Abus Diskus is still one of the best. The shackle (weakest point) is short, straight(ish) and well guarded. Portable angle grinders now make it quite difficult to chain something up in a secure way, unless the noise would be noticed. Bolt cutters are no longer the worst enemy. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
They can always cut the generators frame to get the lock off. Yes but it's embarrassing selling it on afterwards, maybe! |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 29, 7:15*pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
using cable to an eyebolt in the floor. The thieves found it easier to saw through the eye bolt than the cable. A useful alternative to eyebolts is often to have a bit extra chain length, peg the chain with a bit of horizontal rebar aboout 18" below ground level and concrete over. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
Cables aren't really much use - always far too easy to cut. Chains are
what you need. You also need a good chain: welded links, good alloy, probably trapezoidal section rod rather than round. As to a padlock, then the Abus Diskus is still one of the best. The shackle (weakest point) is short, straight(ish) and well guarded. So Abus are better than Master Lock? Lots of people seem to be picking them on Youtube. I'm thinking about a small version of the T34 tank - welded box, inaccessible padlock, half full of concrete and bolted into bedrock with humungous rock bolts. Portable angle grinders now make it quite difficult to chain something up in a secure way, unless the noise would be noticed. Bolt cutters are no longer the worst enemy. Unfortunately the neighbours are a mile away. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
a trail
camera with night-vision and a year of battery life for less than a hundred quid now). Sounds the business - where from? Does it have a motion sensor? |
Are steel security cables choppable?
"Jilly" wrote in message ... They can always cut the generators frame to get the lock off. Yes but it's embarrassing selling it on afterwards, maybe! The crooks that buy the stuff don't care. They probably ordered a welder at the same pub. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 12:59:43 -0800 (PST), Jilly wrote:
a trail camera with night-vision and a year of battery life for less than a hundred quid now). Sounds the business - where from? Does it have a motion sensor? I guess this is waht is meant a Google "hawke prostalk nature camera". Various versions are available but I can't find a makers site. -- Cheers Dave. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
In message , Jules Richardson
writes On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:58:57 -0800, Jilly wrote: A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? It'll get angle-grinded anyway, so nothing's truly secure. Scribing some security-marks into various parts and slapping a prominent sign on it to say that you've done so might not be a bad idea. Maybe look into camera setups, too - things seem to be getting quite cheap these days in that area (heck, it seems like you can get a trail camera with night-vision and a year of battery life for less than a hundred quid now). MMMMMMMMM!!!!! earlier this year I fitted a 4 channel CCTV DVR into a locked room within a locked 40' shipping container and 4 cameras to keep an eye on some expensive items outside the container. Just before Christmas I got a call to say that the DVR and cameras had been stolen overnight, not to mention some of the expensive items. If they want it they will find a way. -- Bill |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 29, 8:59*pm, Jilly wrote:
*a trail camera with night-vision and a year of battery life for less than a hundred quid now). Sounds the business - where from? *Does it have a motion sensor? You might like the Guard Cam http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TSGC.html Dave TMH |
Are steel security cables choppable?
"Bill" wrote in message ... In message , Jules Richardson writes On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 10:58:57 -0800, Jilly wrote: A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? It'll get angle-grinded anyway, so nothing's truly secure. Scribing some security-marks into various parts and slapping a prominent sign on it to say that you've done so might not be a bad idea. Maybe look into camera setups, too - things seem to be getting quite cheap these days in that area (heck, it seems like you can get a trail camera with night-vision and a year of battery life for less than a hundred quid now). MMMMMMMMM!!!!! earlier this year I fitted a 4 channel CCTV DVR into a locked room within a locked 40' shipping container and 4 cameras to keep an eye on some expensive items outside the container. Just before Christmas I got a call to say that the DVR and cameras had been stolen overnight, not to mention some of the expensive items. If they want it they will find a way. If it had been a networked DVR or IP cameras connected to a broadband (wireless) network you would still have the pictures. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
Huge gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying: It's a battle of wits, an arms race - against a scrote whose whole raison d'etre is nicking anything that they can. You can never win. You can only persuade them to try something easier. Perhaps while dragging the stumps of their legs behind them? Mmm. I think you might find that the law regards snares, man-traps and landmines a snidge inadvisable for protecting property against theft. Whether that's a good thing or not is something I intend to leave as an exercise for the reader. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
In message , "dennis@home"
writes earlier this year I fitted a 4 channel CCTV DVR into a locked room within a locked 40' shipping container and 4 cameras to keep an eye on some expensive items outside the container. Just before Christmas I got a call to say that the DVR and cameras had been stolen overnight, not to mention some of the expensive items. If they want it they will find a way. If it had been a networked DVR or IP cameras connected to a broadband (wireless) network you would still have the pictures. Indeed, slight problem in that the nearest civilisation is some miles away, it would have needed to be a wireless link and they weren't willing to pay. Like most of the problems on the site it was an inside job. -- Bill |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 29, 8:51*pm, Jilly wrote:
Cables aren't really much use - always far too easy to cut. Chains are what you need. You also need a good chain: welded links, good alloy, probably trapezoidal section rod rather than round. As to a padlock, then the Abus Diskus is still one of the best. The shackle (weakest point) is short, straight(ish) and well guarded. So Abus are better than Master Lock? *Lots of people seem to be picking them on Youtube. BMW vs. General Motors. First off, locks don't get picked. UK tea leaves just aren't that hard- working. Also we have better padlocks than the Yanks, so picking just never took off here the way it did over there. Don't ask me to explain it - they have some fantastic locks and keying systems, then they put them on houses made of chipboard. Last time I was burgled it was some meathead Geordie who walked through a steel door, probably by chewing it. Our thieves break stuff - they're not this subtle (unless you've annoyed George Smiley). If "lots of people" are picking them on YouTube, that's because they're hard to do and it's impressive if you can pick them. You're hardly going to brag about picking a Chinese three circle or a MasterLock combination. Abus make a range of padlocks. The little ones are no better than they ought to be (still strong though). The mid-range stuff with 6 pins and mushrooms (the longer cylinder is a bulge in the case) is quite good, but they're easy picking if you know the way to do it (it's not the normal technique, and I can't do it unless I can get my hands easily onto the lock). The Diskus Plus is beyond me. "Disk" padlocks are NOT all alike. Some are utter rubbish. There are Chinese ones around that aren't fully welded and you can pop the cases faster than picking. For another thing, don't trust a disk lock that doesn't retain its key when open. I've not had my hands on a Master Excel, their disk range (not particularly planning to), but I have removed many of their other locks. Usually by breaking them, not by picking. I'm thinking about a small version of the T34 tank - welded box, inaccessible padlock, half full of concrete and bolted into bedrock with humungous rock bolts. I've got an interest in an expensive piece of kit that lives in isolation. It's locked by a bar through its frame. I could steal it in half an hour with just a hacksaw, but I'd have to seriously damage the machine (not usable, manufacturer-only fix) in doing so. The "bar" is scaffold pipe, with a good alloy chain in it, also filled with hard aggregate concrete. You need both angle grinder and gas axe to remove it that way. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On 29 Dec 2010 23:09:47 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2010-12-29, Adrian wrote: Jilly gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. It's a battle of wits, an arms race - against a scrote whose whole raison d'etre is nicking anything that they can. You can never win. You can only persuade them to try something easier. Perhaps while dragging the stumps of their legs behind them? The scrotes round here would chew off the stumps of their own legs to escape and thieve again. Derek G |
Are steel security cables choppable?
"Bill" wrote in message ... Indeed, slight problem in that the nearest civilisation is some miles away, it would have needed to be a wireless link and they weren't willing to pay. Like most of the problems on the site it was an inside job. It frequently is, most shop lifting is the staff too. Some companies are slowly beginning to realise this and are using hidden cameras in staff areas. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 30, 9:51 am, Jilly wrote:
Unfortunately the neighbours are a mile away. I've tried pretty much every technique at several sites. What has worked when there are no near neighbours is a "screamer" alarm on the roof that carries for 2 km. Otherwise sensor lights do scare most thieves away. People are worried by fake CCTV cameras. I've had two of them stolen, while the hidden real cameras video the thief. However the police are seldom interested in photos and video footage, even if I get car rego numbers. It's better to scare the crims off. When we had padlocks, they were regularly cut with bolt cutters. When I put steel sheet over the door and had flush locks nobody got in again. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message ... On Dec 29, 8:51 pm, Jilly wrote: Cables aren't really much use - always far too easy to cut. Chains are what you need. You also need a good chain: welded links, good alloy, probably trapezoidal section rod rather than round. As to a padlock, then the Abus Diskus is still one of the best. The shackle (weakest point) is short, straight(ish) and well guarded. So Abus are better than Master Lock? Lots of people seem to be picking them on Youtube. BMW vs. General Motors. First off, locks don't get picked. UK tea leaves just aren't that hard- working. Also we have better padlocks than the Yanks, so picking just never took off here the way it did over there. Don't ask me to explain it - they have some fantastic locks and keying systems, then they put them on houses made of chipboard. Last time I was burgled it was some meathead Geordie who walked through a steel door, probably by chewing it. Our thieves break stuff - they're not this subtle (unless you've annoyed George Smiley). If "lots of people" are picking them on YouTube, that's because they're hard to do and it's impressive if you can pick them. You're hardly going to brag about picking a Chinese three circle or a MasterLock combination. Abus make a range of padlocks. The little ones are no better than they ought to be (still strong though). The mid-range stuff with 6 pins and mushrooms (the longer cylinder is a bulge in the case) is quite good, but they're easy picking if you know the way to do it (it's not the normal technique, and I can't do it unless I can get my hands easily onto the lock). The Diskus Plus is beyond me. "Disk" padlocks are NOT all alike. Some are utter rubbish. There are Chinese ones around that aren't fully welded and you can pop the cases faster than picking. For another thing, don't trust a disk lock that doesn't retain its key when open. I've not had my hands on a Master Excel, their disk range (not particularly planning to), but I have removed many of their other locks. Usually by breaking them, not by picking. Disc padlocks suffer from having curved shackles. This makes it hard to put a freely rotating hardened pin through them to make cutting more difficult like they do on good mortise locks. Not that it matters if you use an angle grinder to cut through the body anyway. I'm thinking about a small version of the T34 tank - welded box, inaccessible padlock, half full of concrete and bolted into bedrock with humungous rock bolts. I've got an interest in an expensive piece of kit that lives in isolation. It's locked by a bar through its frame. I could steal it in half an hour with just a hacksaw, but I'd have to seriously damage the machine (not usable, manufacturer-only fix) in doing so. The "bar" is scaffold pipe, with a good alloy chain in it, also filled with hard aggregate concrete. You need both angle grinder and gas axe to remove it that way. Or some thermite. It should only take 60 seconds or so to remove such a pole if you can mould clay. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On 29/12/2010 20:51, Jilly wrote:
Cables aren't really much use - always far too easy to cut. Chains are what you need. You also need a good chain: welded links, good alloy, probably trapezoidal section rod rather than round. As to a padlock, then the Abus Diskus is still one of the best. The shackle (weakest point) is short, straight(ish) and well guarded. So Abus are better than Master Lock? Lots of people seem to be picking them on Youtube. Almax, who make the undisputed king of chains:- http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ recommend the Squire SS65CS Stronghold Lock |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 29, 6:58*pm, Jilly wrote:
I've had a generator stolen by someone with a large felling axe who bust the padlock. I can get a bigger padlock, but then they would probably go for the chain/steel cable instead. A cable (eg Master Lock 15mm braided steel cable) would be much easier to use than a chain - but are they any good, or will a serious axe (against a concrete floor) or hacksaw attack just chop through them? Has anyone any experience? Thanks Jilly Nothing is safe now with the advent of battery angle grinders etc. |
Are steel security cables choppable?
The Medway Handyman :
On Dec 29, 8:59*pm, Jilly wrote: *a trail camera with night-vision and a year of battery life for less than a hundred quid now). Sounds the business - where from? *Does it have a motion sensor? You might like the Guard Cam http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TSGC.html That looks good - has anyone used one? It's not clear to me from the documentation whether it's possible to have it operating in the mode I'd want: * light off in daylight and under PIR control in darkness * light override 'on' by separate live mains input (many PIR floodlights have a connection for this even if it's not a 'feature') * camera under PIR control 24 hours * audio always off And what's the picture quality like? -- Mike Barnes |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On Dec 30, 8:36*am, nicknoxx
wrote: On 29/12/2010 20:51, Jilly wrote: Cables aren't really much use - always far too easy to cut. Chains are what you need. You also need a good chain: welded links, good alloy, probably trapezoidal section rod rather than round. As to a padlock, then the Abus Diskus is still one of the best. The shackle (weakest point) is short, straight(ish) and well guarded. So Abus are better than Master Lock? *Lots of people seem to be picking them on Youtube. Almax, who make the undisputed king of chains:-http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/ recommend the Squire SS65CS Stronghold Lock Squire SS65, Ingersoll 10 disc or Abloy 362 or above , Abus(!?) watch the Almax videos... Cheers Adam |
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On Dec 30, 8:10*am, "dennis@home"
wrote: Or some thermite. It should only take 60 seconds or so to remove such a pole if you can mould clay. But wouldn't that be _Dangerous_ Dennis? What would Nanny say? (Apart from Thermite being rubbish at cutting anything more than an inch wide) |
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On Dec 30, 2:20 am, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 29, 8:51 pm, Jilly wrote: Cables aren't really much use - always far too easy to cut. Chains are what you need. You also need a good chain: welded links, good alloy, probably trapezoidal section rod rather than round. As to a padlock, then the Abus Diskus is still one of the best. The shackle (weakest point) is short, straight(ish) and well guarded. So Abus are better than Master Lock? Lots of people seem to be picking them on Youtube. BMW vs. General Motors. First off, locks don't get picked. UK tea leaves just aren't that hard- working. Also we have better padlocks than the Yanks, so picking just never took off here the way it did over there. Don't ask me to explain it - they have some fantastic locks and keying systems, then they put them on houses made of chipboard. Last time I was burgled it was some meathead Geordie who walked through a steel door, probably by chewing it. Our thieves break stuff - they're not this subtle (unless you've annoyed George Smiley). If "lots of people" are picking them on YouTube, that's because they're hard to do and it's impressive if you can pick them. You're hardly going to brag about picking a Chinese three circle or a MasterLock combination. Abus make a range of padlocks. The little ones are no better than they ought to be (still strong though). The mid-range stuff with 6 pins and mushrooms (the longer cylinder is a bulge in the case) is quite good, but they're easy picking if you know the way to do it (it's not the normal technique, and I can't do it unless I can get my hands easily onto the lock). The Diskus Plus is beyond me. "Disk" padlocks are NOT all alike. Some are utter rubbish. There are Chinese ones around that aren't fully welded and you can pop the cases faster than picking. For another thing, don't trust a disk lock that doesn't retain its key when open. I've not had my hands on a Master Excel, their disk range (not particularly planning to), but I have removed many of their other locks. Usually by breaking them, not by picking. I'm thinking about a small version of the T34 tank - welded box, inaccessible padlock, half full of concrete and bolted into bedrock with humungous rock bolts. I've got an interest in an expensive piece of kit that lives in isolation. It's locked by a bar through its frame. I could steal it in half an hour with just a hacksaw, but I'd have to seriously damage the machine (not usable, manufacturer-only fix) in doing so. The "bar" is scaffold pipe, with a good alloy chain in it, also filled with hard aggregate concrete. You need both angle grinder and gas axe to remove it that way. ? why the gas axe? Jim K |
Are steel security cables choppable?
Huge wrote:
Mmm. I think you might find that the law regards snares, man-traps and landmines a snidge inadvisable for protecting property against theft. I know. A position I disapprove of. However, an inspection pit with a flimsy cover cannot be regarded as a "man trap" can it? Shame that I use mine for storing sharpened bamboo stakes that accidentally became smeared with dog excrement. |
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"Jim K" wrote in message ... I've got an interest in an expensive piece of kit that lives in isolation. It's locked by a bar through its frame. I could steal it in half an hour with just a hacksaw, but I'd have to seriously damage the machine (not usable, manufacturer-only fix) in doing so. The "bar" is scaffold pipe, with a good alloy chain in it, also filled with hard aggregate concrete. You need both angle grinder and gas axe to remove it that way. ? why the gas axe? Because he forgets that you can get angle grinder blades that will go through all the materials he mentioned? Anyway if you are taking a gas axe then some welding wire and a length of 15 mm copper pipe will make a thermic(al) lance that will go through the lot in a few seconds and you only need the oxygen cylinder to save weight. |
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On Dec 30, 1:12*pm, (Steve Firth) wrote:
However, an inspection pit with a flimsy cover cannot be regarded as a "man trap" can it? Probably not, but it's still regarded as an unguarded hazard and the landowner or tenant will be regarded as legally liable for injurires due to it. This is still the case even if you have to trespass to get to it (there is case law on this) and thus such a pit on the perimeter is a problem. Fortunately warning signs are seen as a defence against such claims, in the peanut-sized minds of the Dennises who control such things. I have such a pit on the corner of my land (sans stakes as yet, but still an adequate drop for an oubliette). As I've already had council dealings in relation to it (they're adjacent to its edge), I do have to make sure it's suitably signed. |
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On Dec 30, 1:05*pm, Jim K wrote:
? why the gas axe? Because it's a composite. You won't cut boron steel chain with a diamond or grit stone blade (it's hard enough with a steel cutting disk) and there's enough aggregate packed around the chain to stop you getting a suitable steel disk onto it. You could do it with just a grinder, but you'd have to take a great wedge out to expose the chain, not just a quick slice. Best example I've seen of this was a locking bike rack that used gas turbine blades packed into the mix. Those are a right swine to cut, as they just don't soften when you heat them. For safes it's fairly common to use tungsten carbide as an aggregate in a cement layer. Both of these are quite cheap, if you have the right access to scrap. |
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On Dec 30, 11:24*am, Adam Aglionby wrote:
Squire SS65, Ingersoll 10 disc or Abloy 362 or above , Abus(!?) watch the Almax videos... Their chains don't hold up, but then they didn't use a Diskus lock in the tests, let alone attack it. I'm unimpressed by the Abus Granite series (although I've not attacked the close shackle padlock), but I still like the Diskus. For typical "vaguely good" padlock and chain the chain is weaker, because there's so much more of it. Typical people will pay money to get a padlock shackle made of decent alloy, but unless you're a biker, few will pay to have a whole chain made of it. My pushbikes are locked with old Squire U locks, not Abus (and certainly not Kryptonite). |
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On Dec 30, 2:44 pm, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 30, 1:05 pm, Jim K wrote: ? why the gas axe? Because it's a composite. You won't cut boron steel chain with a diamond or grit stone blade (it's hard enough with a steel cutting disk) and there's enough aggregate packed around the chain to stop you getting a suitable steel disk onto it. You could do it with just a grinder, but you'd have to take a great wedge out to expose the chain, not just a quick slice. ? anyone tested this? or is it just "theory"? Jim K |
Are steel security cables choppable?
On 30/12/2010 15:06, Andy Dingley wrote:
On Dec 30, 11:24 am, Adam wrote: Squire SS65, Ingersoll 10 disc or Abloy 362 or above , Abus(!?) watch the Almax videos... Their chains don't hold up, but then they didn't use a Diskus lock in the tests, let alone attack it. I'm unimpressed by the Abus Granite series (although I've not attacked the close shackle padlock), but I still like the Diskus. For typical "vaguely good" padlock and chain the chain is weaker, because there's so much more of it. Typical people will pay money to get a padlock shackle made of decent alloy, but unless you're a biker, few will pay to have a whole chain made of it. My pushbikes are locked with old Squire U locks, not Abus (and certainly not Kryptonite). My bicycle is worth twice as much as my motorbike. |
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