(Sorry orig seems to have gone astray)

Evening,

Thought about getting double glazing fitted in place of old, bad metal
framed stuff.

Looking to replace front and rear doors, 1 full bay window and three
bay windows sitting on walls about 3 ft high (whatever this type are
called) and 3 4ftx 4ft, 1 4ft x 2ft and a 5ft x 4ft ordinary windows.
Cat A rating for frames and glass (Pilkington K3). Good locks and
bolts. All sills replaced and everything taken out taken away.

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

TIA

"Jack" wrote in message
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(Sorry orig seems to have gone astray)

Evening,

Thought about getting double glazing fitted in place of old, bad metal
framed stuff.

Looking to replace front and rear doors, 1 full bay window and three
bay windows sitting on walls about 3 ft high (whatever this type are
called) and 3 4ftx 4ft, 1 4ft x 2ft and a 5ft x 4ft ordinary windows.
Cat A rating for frames and glass (Pilkington K3). Good locks and
bolts. All sills replaced and everything taken out taken away.

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

Looks OTT to me, but it could be the cost of the bays.

Ask for a quote for all windows except the bays to see if that is the
problem

tim

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:16:24 +0000, Jack wrote:
(Sorry orig seems to have gone astray)

Evening,

Thought about getting double glazing fitted in place of old, bad metal
framed stuff.

Looking to replace front and rear doors, 1 full bay window and three
bay windows sitting on walls about 3 ft high (whatever this type are
called) and 3 4ftx 4ft, 1 4ft x 2ft and a 5ft x 4ft ordinary windows.
Cat A rating for frames and glass (Pilkington K3). Good locks and
bolts. All sills replaced and everything taken out taken away.

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

TIA

Sounds high, though you did make the mistake of living in London :-)
Our 3-bed semi got new DG windows (no doors though) about 4 years
ago for £7k which we thought was a little pricey. Quality seems OK.

At this time of year I'd expect *big* discounts, since they wouldn't
exactly have work piling up - but would still have bills to pay.

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At this time of year I'd expect *big* discounts, since they wouldn't
exactly have work piling up - but would still have bills to pay.

Would have thought it'd be the other way around - people are currently
freezing their tits off, which is an added incentive to get the old
draughty windows done.

It's why a firm is coming to do my front door next week - it might as
well not be there 'cos of all the wintry draughts it lets through )

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On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:22:04 GMT, pete
wrote:

At this time of year I'd expect *big* discounts, since they wouldn't
exactly have work piling up - but would still have bills to pay.


This time of 'this' year people are getting jobs done to avoid the VAT
increase in January. The guy who solicits (as it were) for a local
company in the local shopping centre had a fisful of leads in his
pocket when I asked him to get the salesman to call a few weeks ago.
He, the salesman, said that I might have to wait until after Christmas
such is the demand, and they will absorb the VAT if I do. I'm
optimistic that the job will be done before the end of this month but
we'll see.
(My order: 11 windows (Pilkington's K Optiwhite argon filled, the
latest spec apparently) for £3,500. In July the same firm supplied a
composite front door and a back door for £1,300 and two years ago a
pair of French doors for £900.)

On 30/11/2010 in message Jack
wrote:

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to reduce
the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to get. Best
I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by letting them chase me.

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On 30/11/2010 in message
Jack wrote:

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to
reduce the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to
get. Best I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by letting
them chase me.



But you still ended up with everest

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In message , Jeff Gaines
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On 30/11/2010 in message Jack
wrote:

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to reduce
the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to get. Best
I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by letting them chase
me.



But you still ended up with everest

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I have a bay that I need replacing - a lot of cost comes from opening
lights. Reduce them to a min - within the regs and you will save money. If I
racall an fixed light was about £200 and an opening one was £450.
Ask for a cost breakdown and options.

On 30/11/2010 23:12, geoff wrote:
In message , Jeff Gaines
writes
On 30/11/2010 in message
Jack wrote:

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to
reduce the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to
get. Best I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by
letting them chase me.



But you still ended up with everest


I wouldn't buy anything from a firm that tried to rip me off in the
first place, however much "discount" they subsequently applied. Leaves a
nasty taste in the mouth somehow. "Customer's a c**t" company mission
statement.

Round here local firms are very competitive and it seems a handful of
huge manufacturers supply them all with frames and panels. It isn't
economic to manufacture on a small scale, so quality is pretty good
whoever you buy from IME.

Three days (seems reasonable) labour 2 blokes probably £1500 plus online
quote for supply only windows/doors. Easy enough to get a rough idea

On 01/12/2010 in message stuart
noble wrote:

I wouldn't buy anything from a firm that tried to rip me off in the first
place, however much "discount" they subsequently applied. Leaves a nasty
taste in the mouth somehow. "Customer's a c**t" company mission statement.

It's standard practice in double glazing, you just need to be aware of it.
I asked a relation who is a d/g salesman why they do it and he said some
people just accept the first quote.

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stuart noble wrote:
On 30/11/2010 23:12, geoff wrote:
In message , Jeff Gaines
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On 30/11/2010 in message
Jack wrote:

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to
reduce the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard
to get. Best I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by
letting them chase me.



But you still ended up with everest


I wouldn't buy anything from a firm that tried to rip me off in the
first place, however much "discount" they subsequently applied.
Leaves a nasty taste in the mouth somehow. "Customer's a c**t"
company mission statement.

Quite agree.

The reverse is when I estimate for women of a particular ethnic origin. If
you quote £85 they will always ask if you can do it for £70. If I did so,
I'd be guilty of the 'double glasing discount' as well - so I don't accept
the job.


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www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to reduce
the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to get. Best
I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by letting them chase
me.

I've just had a quote from Everest for 2x 6-window bays (with 6 small fixed
light ones at the top including 2x openers) and a ~4' square window.....
£21,500! The price reduced to £10,500 with various discounts before the
salesman left but is still waaay too much in my opinion. I'm waiting for
that call from their office...!

I already have an Everest conservatory which is well built, so have no
complains about the product, only the price.

On 01/12/2010 in message
AlanD wrote:


Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to reduce
the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to get. Best
I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by letting them chase
me.

I've just had a quote from Everest for 2x 6-window bays (with 6 small
fixed light ones at the top including 2x openers) and a ~4' square
window..... £21,500! The price reduced to £10,500 with various discounts
before the salesman left but is still waaay too much in my opinion. I'm
waiting for that call from their office...!

I already have an Everest conservatory which is well built, so have no
complains about the product, only the price.

I may have been lucky and caught them at a slow sales time. In my case it
was secondary double glazing for 3 x double windows and 2 x treble windows
- each nearly 10 feet high (the rooms are 13' 6" high). They fitted 12
aluminium windows, which were effectively patio doors, using hardwood
frames and hardwood trim. I am very pleased with the work (they are
virtually invisible against the oak window frames) but I reckon they lost
a fortune on the job.

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On 01/12/2010 in message
AlanD wrote:


Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to reduce
the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to get.
Best I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by letting
them chase me.

I've just had a quote from Everest for 2x 6-window bays (with 6 small
fixed light ones at the top including 2x openers) and a ~4' square
window..... £21,500! The price reduced to £10,500 with various
discounts before the salesman left but is still waaay too much in my
opinion. I'm waiting for that call from their office...!

I already have an Everest conservatory which is well built, so have no
complains about the product, only the price.

I may have been lucky and caught them at a slow sales time.

Or, that's what they told you



In my case it was secondary double glazing for 3 x double windows and 2
x treble windows - each nearly 10 feet high (the rooms are 13' 6"
high). They fitted 12 aluminium windows, which were effectively patio
doors, using hardwood frames and hardwood trim. I am very pleased with
the work (they are virtually invisible against the oak window frames)
but I reckon they lost a fortune on the job.

Doubt it


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On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 09:59:56 -0000, AlanD wrote:

Have you waited for the inevitable call from the office offering to reduce
the price? There's enormous scope for discounts so play hard to get. Best
I did was £24K down to just under £6K from Everest by letting them chase
me.

I've just had a quote from Everest for 2x 6-window bays (with 6 small fixed
light ones at the top including 2x openers) and a ~4' square window.....
£21,500! The price reduced to £10,500 with various discounts before the
salesman left but is still waaay too much in my opinion. I'm waiting for
that call from their office...!

I already have an Everest conservatory which is well built, so have no
complains about the product, only the price.

The best time to get a sensible offer is just before the end of
their sales period (usually quarterly). Unless the salesperson
is particularly good, or lucky, they'll be very willing to get
a sale on the books at practially any price. Or at least at a
substantially lower price than they'd normally be willing to
offer.


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On Nov 30, 9:16*pm, Jack wrote:
(Sorry orig seems to have gone astray)

Evening,

Thought about getting double glazing fitted in place of old, bad metal
framed stuff. *

Looking to replace front and rear doors, 1 full bay window and three
bay windows sitting on walls about 3 ft high (whatever this type are
called) and 3 4ftx 4ft, 1 4ft x 2ft and a 5ft x 4ft ordinary windows.
Cat A rating for frames and glass (Pilkington K3). Good locks and
bolts. All sills replaced and everything taken out taken away.

Had a quote for around £11K. *(This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top. *

TIA

Bay windows are expensive to do because there may be structural work
to do. There are steel posts in the corners of the bay & everything
has to be propped up to let the work be done.
The quality of the various windows varies hugely. There is some real
crap out there. Especially the hinges, locks etc. But also in
manufacturing techniques.
You have picked a bad time to get this work done. Everyone is trying
to beat the 20% VAT thing. You might actually be better waiting 'til
the weather's warm & then getting several quotes. They always charge
more at this time of year.

harry wrote:

On Nov 30, 9:16 pm, Jack wrote:
snip double glazing quotes.

You have picked a bad time to get this work done. Everyone is trying
to beat the 20% VAT thing. You might actually be better waiting 'til
the weather's warm & then getting several quotes. They always charge
more at this time of year.

Now I'd disagree with this.
I myself am self-employed, and I know an whole lot more who I meet
through work or at the pub.
No-one I know charges any more for winter/summer work.
It is the same all year round.
If you are already busy, you cannot take any more work on, so you just
tell the customer that you cannot do it. Doubling the price would not
make any difference, you just dont take it on as you are already booked
up.
If they want it doing that evening ( a boiler fault/burst pipe etc),
then myself and the people I know would go out, and charge them a little
more, but it would be more like £20 rather than double the price -
£40-50 usually, maybe £60-70 if in the evening.

Clearly workers with no morals could try it on, but IME there are very
few people who would do that, apart from the big Companies (BG spring to
mind) who require credit card details before you even get a quote, then
charge £150 just to look at something.

Alan.
[And, as an aside, I've been to a job today, man rang me up, " I have a
leaking pipe" I get there, and the leak must have happened 3 months ago,
as it was totally dry on arrival, just a brown stain on the ceiling.
Further checking, and it seems rainwater had run into the open
fireplace, then down through the floorboards, then onto the downstairs
ceiling.
He then asked about the radiators not getting warm, so I went round,
made sure all valves were open, and all bled. It appears the pipes are
sludged up, so I put him onto a mate who does boilers/heating.
I was there for maybe half an hour, 20 minute drive there and back.
Charge - nothing. I could have said that's a £50 call out charge, but
no, I gave him some of my cards, and he'll be recommending me to
everyone he knows as I didnt bull**** him, and reassured him that there
were no leaks, and his radiators are easily sorted.]
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"Jack" wrote in message
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(Sorry orig seems to have gone astray)

Evening,

Thought about getting double glazing fitted in place of old, bad metal
framed stuff.

Looking to replace front and rear doors, 1 full bay window and three
bay windows sitting on walls about 3 ft high (whatever this type are
called) and 3 4ftx 4ft, 1 4ft x 2ft and a 5ft x 4ft ordinary windows.
Cat A rating for frames and glass (Pilkington K3). Good locks and
bolts. All sills replaced and everything taken out taken away.

Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.


Get them to measure up.
Obtain copy of all spec.
Punt several more local firms.
If you are a D.I.Y er do all the straight fit stuff yourself and get a
company or builder to fit the bay ones.
(Unless you are worried about the guarantee etc)

7 straight type with top & bottom openers, fitted by me in cottage over 4
days £3200 3 yrs ago.
1 x DG top half glazed last year, £175 inc frame

Not a job I'd do in the snow

Jack wrote:

Thought about getting double glazing fitted in place of old, bad metal
framed stuff.
Looking to replace front and rear doors, 1 full bay window and three
bay windows sitting on walls about 3 ft high (whatever this type are
called) and 3 4ftx 4ft, 1 4ft x 2ft and a 5ft x 4ft ordinary windows.
Cat A rating for frames and glass (Pilkington K3). Good locks and
bolts. All sills replaced and everything taken out taken away.
Had a quote for around £11K. (This is for a property in London). 3
days to do the job.

Is this reasonable? Or way over the top.

£11k seems rather too much to me. Bays are expensive though, Get a few
more quotes to compare.
Also, make sure they are aware that the bays are supported on the window
frames, and the price includes any extra work if the bay collapes. 2
houses down the road from me had their bays collapse - 1 was put in by
cowboys who didnt support it, the other was done by a reputable Company
who didnt support it in the right place.

I've just quoted for a window - 1180 x 750. 1 side opener, 1 fixed pane.
£175 inclusive for supply to me, I'll charge £75-100 to fit it.
Remember, these companies make in-house, and are able to significantly
reduce the cost of frames, so the £175 to me, probably costs them £125,
or less. Glass is £40ish for the 2 pieces, £85 for 6metres of upvc
frame? Plenty of scope to reduce the prices I think.

Alan.
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