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"Non-Association" Cable
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s.
Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz |
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Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Perhaps to do with a group of manufacturers who produced an identical product - and at the same price? -- *Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Non-Association" Cable
On 3 Nov, 13:18, Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Google turned up this - don't know if it's relevant given the time difference: http://www.info4fire.com/news-conten...able-suppliers Jonathan |
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"Non-Association" Cable
On 3 Nov, 13:49, Jonathan wrote:
On 3 Nov, 13:18, Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Google turned up this - don't know if it's relevant given the time difference: http://www.info4fire.com/news-conten...name-and-shame... Jonathan curious why the presumably dubious sparky/builder left the labels lying around? Jim K |
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"Non-Association" Cable
Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Interesting snippet at http://www.stbryde.co.uk/right%20angle/news_2004.htm As the building neared completion relations between the Lodge and Architect became strained. The building had been wired in non-association cable instead of association cable as specified. The mistake was made by the foreman and a rebate of £2 17/- was offered or the job rewired to comply with the main cable run by the Clyde Valley Power Company. The decision was that the Hall would be rewired. Remarkable, even more so, when you consider that this took place two weeks before the consecration ceremony on 9th. September 1924 So it looks as though it was some sort of cable standard, whose use was at the discretion of the specifier. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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"Non-Association" Cable
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:18:57 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? Rubber cable pre about 1948 was largely made by a group of companies who formed the CMA (Cable Manufacturers Association) and fixed prices, standards and supply quantities. Cable from non members was a cheaper and lower quality "Nonazo" (non-Association) cable which was only considered to be good enough for "ordinary" installations. Both CMA and Nonazo were superceeded during WW2 by "war emergency cable" and I believe production of Nonazo stopped in about 1948. http://www.competition-commission.or....../004c07.pdf |
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"Non-Association" Cable
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On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:18:57 +0000, Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? Rubber cable pre about 1948 was largely made by a group of companies who formed the CMA (Cable Manufacturers Association) and fixed prices, standards and supply quantities. Cable from non members was a cheaper and lower quality "Nonazo" (non-Association) cable which was only considered to be good enough for "ordinary" installations. Both CMA and Nonazo were superceeded during WW2 by "war emergency cable" and I believe production of Nonazo stopped in about 1948. http://www.competition-commission.or....../004c07.pdf One wonders whether Nonazo was really of lower quality, or just cheaper because it wasn't as overpriced as the market leaders. Much in the same way as a non-Heinz baked bean is cheaper than but not necessarily inferior to a Heinz one. |
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"Non-Association" Cable
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Chris J Dixon saying something like: Interesting snippet at http://www.stbryde.co.uk/right%20angle/news_2004.htm Good grief, I probably know some o' they buggers. |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
Dave Osborne wrote:
Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question. http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant section on how to light a house. HTH -- Adam |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
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Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question. http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg Quick point. Only the last scan mentions the Non-Association cable but I showed all three pages for those who may be interested -- Adam |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
ARWadsworth wrote:
Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question. http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant section on how to light a house. HTH Perfick. Thanks Adam. |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:14:29 -0000, "ARWadsworth"
wrote: Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question. http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant section on how to light a house. HTH My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made. There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F, and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure. The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade. All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification. -- Frank Erskine |
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"Non-Association" Cable
On 03/11/2010 15:47, Ronald Raygun wrote:
Peter Parry wrote: On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:18:57 +0000, Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? Rubber cable pre about 1948 was largely made by a group of companies who formed the CMA (Cable Manufacturers Association) and fixed prices, standards and supply quantities. Cable from non members was a cheaper and lower quality "Nonazo" (non-Association) cable which was only considered to be good enough for "ordinary" installations. Both CMA and Nonazo were superceeded during WW2 by "war emergency cable" and I believe production of Nonazo stopped in about 1948. http://www.competition-commission.or....../004c07.pdf One wonders whether Nonazo was really of lower quality, or just cheaper because it wasn't as overpriced as the market leaders. Manufacturer's associations set up to maintain product quality were not uncommon before the establishment of British Standards. They followed in the tradition of the medieval Guilds. As with British Standards, you could be sure that association products met a certain minimum standard. Non-association products would be cheaper because they were not inspected or tested to the same standard and, therefore, there was no guarantee of the quality. Much in the same way as a non-Heinz baked bean is cheaper than but not necessarily inferior to a Heinz one. I've never found one that was not. Colin Bignell |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:14:29 -0000, "ARWadsworth" wrote: Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question. http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant section on how to light a house. HTH My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made. There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F, and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure. The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade. All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification. CTS is here http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img013.jpg -- Adam |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:14:29 -0000, "ARWadsworth" wrote: Dave Osborne wrote: Found under the floorboards of a house built in the late '50s or early '60s. Anybody shed any light on what "Non-association" might mean? http://i55.tinypic.com/29bbzo8.jpg here's the other side: - http://i53.tinypic.com/11rzv6f.jpg Cheers, DaveyOz Okay so the book is dated 1931. These scans might answer the question. http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img010.jpg http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img011.jpg There other sections covering steel conduit, lead covered wiring and wood casing that I can scan if anyone is interested. There is also a brilliant section on how to light a house. HTH My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made. There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F, and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure. The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade. All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification. Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder? |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:56:15 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made. There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F, and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure. The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade. All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification. Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder? Yes. -- Frank Erskine |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
Frank Erskine wrote:
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:56:15 +0000, Dave Osborne wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made. There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F, and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure. The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade. All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification. Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder? Yes. So was it a gland made out of CTS or a gland for CTS cable? |
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"Non-Association" Cable- 1931 book scans
On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 21:03:57 +0000, Dave Osborne
wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:56:15 +0000, Dave Osborne wrote: Frank Erskine wrote: My 1936 "Sunco" trade catalogue lists their VIR cable as "Association Quality", and their Cab Tyre Sheath (CTS) merely as British Made. There are two types of VIR listed - "S.C.V." 600 Megohm grade rated test pressure 1,000 volts after 24 hours immersion in water at 60F, and "S.C.X." 2,500 Megohm grade with similar test pressure. The CTS is merely shown as 600 Megohm grade. All are allegedly made to I.E.E. specification. Is this where the expression "CTS gland" comes from, I wonder? Yes. So was it a gland made out of CTS or a gland for CTS cable? It was made for CTS cable. -- Frank Erskine |
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http://s428.photobucket.com/albums/q...ent=img009.jpg 2nd para. Pure copper possesses the highest electrical conductivity of all the metals. I_beg_to_differ. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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