?2 quotes, both similar

supply and fit an £ 800 combi
take existing flow and return from airing cupboard (which is directly above
garage)
and fit to new boiler location in garage, flu directly outside of garage
wall.
Powerflush naturally
both quote in excess of £ 2600 !
2 days work = £ 900 per day labour !

don't they want the easy jobs then ?
--
Vass

On 2 Nov, 11:51, "Vass" wrote:
?2 quotes, both similar

supply and fit an £ 800 combi
take existing flow and return from airing cupboard (which is directly above
garage)
and fit to new boiler location in garage, flu directly outside of garage
wall.
Powerflush naturally
both quote in excess of £ 2600 !
2 days work = £ 900 per day labour !

don't they want the easy jobs then ?

indeed. Presumably they are supplying the combi that you know should
cost 800? for more like 1200? and so "only" really charging you £700
per day......

Jim K

On 2 Nov, 11:51, "Vass" wrote:
?2 quotes, both similar

supply and fit an £ 800 combi
take existing flow and return from airing cupboard (which is directly above
garage)
and fit to new boiler location in garage, flu directly outside of garage
wall.
Powerflush naturally
both quote in excess of £ 2600 !
2 days work = £ 900 per day labour !

don't they want the easy jobs then ?
--
Vass

My, the Poles are getting expensive.
They are busy and don't want your work. It's stupid time of year to
be having this work done. Wait until the Summer. School holiday
period & you'll get a better price.

Jim K wrote:
On 2 Nov, 11:51, "Vass" wrote:
?2 quotes, both similar

supply and fit an £ 800 combi
take existing flow and return from airing cupboard (which is
directly above garage)
and fit to new boiler location in garage, flu directly outside of
garage wall.
Powerflush naturally
both quote in excess of £ 2600 !
2 days work = £ 900 per day labour !

don't they want the easy jobs then ?

indeed. Presumably they are supplying the combi that you know should
cost 800? for more like 1200? and so "only" really charging you £700
per day......

Jim K

It was the same when my brother swapped his boiler, I could have done it in
3 hours but he needed a gas cert. Quotes of £500 were given.

--
Adam

ARWadsworth wrote:
Jim K wrote:
On 2 Nov, 11:51, "Vass" wrote:
?2 quotes, both similar

supply and fit an £ 800 combi
take existing flow and return from airing cupboard (which is
directly above garage)
and fit to new boiler location in garage, flu directly outside of
garage wall.
Powerflush naturally
both quote in excess of £ 2600 !
2 days work = £ 900 per day labour !

don't they want the easy jobs then ?

indeed. Presumably they are supplying the combi that you know should
cost 800? for more like 1200? and so "only" really charging you £700
per day......

Jim K

It was the same when my brother swapped his boiler, I could have done
it in 3 hours but he needed a gas cert. Quotes of £500 were given.

That was labour only. He had the boiler.
--
Adam

"harry" wrote in message
...
On 2 Nov, 11:51, "Vass" wrote:
?2 quotes, both similar

supply and fit an £ 800 combi
take existing flow and return from airing cupboard (which is directly
above
garage)
and fit to new boiler location in garage, flu directly outside of garage
wall.
Powerflush naturally
both quote in excess of £ 2600 !
2 days work = £ 900 per day labour !

don't they want the easy jobs then ?
--
Vass

My, the Poles are getting expensive.
They are busy and don't want your work. It's stupid time of year to
be having this work done. Wait until the Summer. School holiday
period & you'll get a better price.

I think you will find when they have plenty of work on their books they
quote silly prices as they dont need the work but good if you want to pay
the inflated price.
Cheaper if looking for work.

I suppose your choice at the end of the day, agree or refuse.

?

"harry" wrote in message
...
It's stupid time of year to be having this work done.

Ah, must tell the boiler it picked the wrong time to blow up then
--
Vass

On Nov 2, 2:25*pm, "Vass" wrote:
?

"harry" wrote in message

...

It's stupid time of year to be having this work done.

Ah, must tell the boiler it picked the wrong time to blow up then

This is what happens when something blows up http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11671916

MBQ

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Nov 2, 2:25 pm, "Vass" wrote:
?

"harry" wrote in message

...

It's stupid time of year to be having this work done.

Ah, must tell the boiler it picked the wrong time to blow up then

This is what happens when something blows up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11671916

MBQ

That is unbelievable - have you seen thier bedroom wallpaper?
--
Adam

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 14:25:49 -0000, Vass wrote:
?

"harry" wrote in message
...
It's stupid time of year to be having this work done.

Ah, must tell the boiler it picked the wrong time to blow up then

It obviously want to do what all its friends are doing. This time
of year is the absolute worst for boiler / CH repairs. You'd be
better off seeing if your existing one can be fixed. The basic
problem is that if a plumber can charge someone £200 to come out
and fix their boiler, and it only takes an hour - why would they
want to spend 2 days of lost £200/hour "emergencies" to install
a new system for someone?

The "season" for boiler emergencies in such numbers is quite
short - typically from the first cold w/e in october through
to the end of Nov. If a boiler hasn't died by then, it'll probably
last through the winter. So plumbers maximise their opportunities
while they can.


--
http://thisreallyismyhost.99k.org/02...3560527939.php

On 2 Nov, 15:17, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:25 pm, "Vass" wrote:
?

"harry" wrote in message

...

It's stupid time of year to be having this work done.

Ah, must tell the boiler it picked the wrong time to blow up then

This is what happens when something blows up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11671916

MBQ

That is unbelievable - have you seen thier bedroom wallpaper?
--
Adam

The key phrase seems to be 'kitchen refurbishment on a housing trust
property' - so can we assume that this was being done by a
(complacent) registered gas
installer ?.

Is this what lenders refer to as 'non-standard' construction' :-)



"pete" wrote in message
...

It obviously want to do what all its friends are doing. This time
of year is the absolute worst for boiler / CH repairs. You'd be
better off seeing if your existing one can be fixed.


Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice
--
Vass

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:39:31 -0000, "Vass"
wrote:

?

"pete" wrote in message
...

It obviously want to do what all its friends are doing. This time
of year is the absolute worst for boiler / CH repairs. You'd be
better off seeing if your existing one can be fixed.


Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

CO alarms do have a finite life and can go faulty.


--

ad wrote:
On 2 Nov, 15:17, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:25 pm, "Vass" wrote:
?
"harry" wrote in message
...
It's stupid time of year to be having this work done.
Ah, must tell the boiler it picked the wrong time to blow up then
This is what happens when something blows up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11671916
MBQ
That is unbelievable - have you seen thier bedroom wallpaper?
--
Adam

The key phrase seems to be 'kitchen refurbishment on a housing trust
property' - so can we assume that this was being done by a
(complacent) registered gas
installer ?.


Nah, al Qaeda. ;-)

Is this what lenders refer to as 'non-standard' construction' :-)

Tell you what, good insurance scam..

"The Other Mike" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:39:31 -0000, "Vass"
wrote:

?

"pete" wrote in message
...

It obviously want to do what all its friends are doing. This time
of year is the absolute worst for boiler / CH repairs. You'd be
better off seeing if your existing one can be fixed.


Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

CO alarms do have a finite life and can go faulty.

agreed, but when the 2nd new alarm went off, and the boiler failed to light
anymore, I scrapped it.
--
Vass

Vass wrote:

Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?
It isnt rocket science, a general understanding of plumbing helps. If
you dont think you are safe connecting the gas, then get someone in to
do that bit. It should be 2 hours work at most connecting a gas supply
to a boiler then testing it all. However, if there is a leak anywhere in
the house piping, then it could get expensive, but that would happen
whether you fitted it yourself or someone else did it.

I did mine 2 years ago, and was a bit daunted by the prospect, but it
all went really well, took me a day to do the swap. I thought the new
would be a straight fit into place, but it wasnt, all 4 pipes at the
back had to be moved. i'm pretty proficient at plumbing, so it wasnt a
problem, apart from time consuming. It helped that I have a good range
of fittings on the van at all times. As a DIYer, this may not be
possible.

Alan.

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In message , Vass
writes
?2 quotes, both similar

supply and fit an £ 800 combi
take existing flow and return from airing cupboard (which is directly
above garage)
and fit to new boiler location in garage, flu directly outside of
garage wall.
Powerflush naturally
both quote in excess of £ 2600 !
2 days work = £ 900 per day labour !

don't they want the easy jobs then ?

Easy jobs?

We've had a minor cold snap, they're raking it and can take the **** -
the easy work is out there


--
geoff

In message
, ad
writes
On 2 Nov, 15:17, "ARWadsworth" wrote:
Man at B&Q wrote:

On Nov 2, 2:25 pm, "Vass" wrote:
?

"harry" wrote in message

...

It's stupid time of year to be having this work done.

Ah, must tell the boiler it picked the wrong time to blow up then

This is what happens when something blows up
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11671916

MBQ

That is unbelievable - have you seen thier bedroom wallpaper?
--
Adam

The key phrase seems to be 'kitchen refurbishment on a housing trust
property' - so can we assume that this was being done by a
(complacent) registered gas
installer ?.

Is this what lenders refer to as 'non-standard' construction' :-)


It is now ...


--
geoff

In message , Vass
writes
0
"pete" wrote in message
...

It obviously want to do what all its friends are doing. This time
of year is the absolute worst for boiler / CH repairs. You'd be
better off seeing if your existing one can be fixed.


Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time

Prolly needed a good hoovering then


Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

--
geoff

In message , Vass
writes


"The Other Mike" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 15:39:31 -0000, "Vass"
wrote:

?

"pete" wrote in message
...

It obviously want to do what all its friends are doing. This time
of year is the absolute worst for boiler / CH repairs. You'd be
better off seeing if your existing one can be fixed.


Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

CO alarms do have a finite life and can go faulty.

agreed, but when the 2nd new alarm went off, and the boiler failed to
light anymore, I scrapped it.


Aah there you go - knee jerk reaction


--
geoff

In message , The
Night Tripper writes
A.Lee wrote:

Vass wrote:

Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?
It isnt rocket science
[...]

Agreed - the first major bit of D-I-Y plumbing I did (twenty years ago) was
fitting my own Central Heating. I did everything except connecting and
commissioning the boiler. I got a corgi-registered 'good egg' to do that ...
from memory he charged me 50 quid ;-).

What, you let a CORGI near a boiler ?


--
geoff

A.Lee wrote:

Vass wrote:

Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?
It isnt rocket science
[...]

Agreed - the first major bit of D-I-Y plumbing I did (twenty years ago) was
fitting my own Central Heating. I did everything except connecting and
commissioning the boiler. I got a corgi-registered 'good egg' to do that ...
from memory he charged me 50 quid ;-).

jon N

Wickes 40, setting off the Carbon Monoxide alarm all the time
Was on the skip saturday, pikey knicked it sunday morning
Empty Airing cupboard.
= Fix not really possible but thanks for your advice

CO alarms do have a finite life and can go faulty.

agreed, but when the 2nd new alarm went off, and the boiler failed to
light anymore, I scrapped it.
--

I am relieved to hear that; I've just had an alarm fail by going into alarm.
Notional replacement date on it is June 2011. The only reason I *knew* it
wasn't the boiler is that the boiler had died first.....

On Nov 2, 10:36*pm, "newshound" wrote:
I am relieved to hear that; I've just had an alarm fail by going into alarm.
Notional replacement date on it is June 2011. The only reason I *knew* it
wasn't the boiler is that the boiler had died first.....

Had two Kidde fail, round one last year and oval-blob type thing, both
LCD display type (they show 999 and will not reset requiring the
batteries to be removed). From Amazon reviews a not uncommon failure,
but I think the Argos reviews do not indicate such failures the last
time I looked. No idea what Screwfix reviews say.

Replaced by an Ei Aico unit which lacks a display but is absolutely
b@st@rd frighteningly loud!!

Typo: not a common failure.

Probably infant mortality as neither were very old (less than a year,
batteries fresh).

?

"A.Lee" wrote in message
.. .
If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?
It isnt rocket science, a general understanding of plumbing helps. If
you dont think you are safe connecting the gas, then get someone in to
do that bit. It should be 2 hours work at most connecting a gas supply
to a boiler then testing it all. However, if there is a leak anywhere in
the house piping, then it could get expensive, but that would happen
whether you fitted it yourself or someone else did it.

I did mine 2 years ago, and was a bit daunted by the prospect, but it
all went really well, took me a day to do the swap. I thought the new
would be a straight fit into place, but it wasnt, all 4 pipes at the
back had to be moved. i'm pretty proficient at plumbing, so it wasnt a
problem, apart from time consuming. It helped that I have a good range
of fittings on the van at all times. As a DIYer, this may not be
possible.


its the option I'm going down now
but my friendly plumber whose happy to commission wants to dig a soak away
for the condenser waste
(2 litres per hour? really?)
the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which is not
foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.
Alpha CD32C or Worcester 30CDdi are the two on the quotes, both approx £ 900
delivered.
both get extended warranty if installed by their registered installers so
I'll miss this extra piece of mind I guess
--
Vass

?

"Vass" wrote in message
. uk...

its the option I'm going down now

as a footnote
I tend to use elbows, not bend pipe, will this cause me issues?
Gas meter is 2 mtrs from new boiler position
Flow and Return original location is 3 mtrs away (airing cupboard above
garage)
Same for HW
TIA
--
Vass

Vass wrote:

"A.Lee" wrote in message
If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?

its the option I'm going down now
but my friendly plumber whose happy to commission wants to dig a soak away
for the condenser waste
(2 litres per hour? really?)

Doubtful. Worst case scenario maybe, but in real life, 100ml each
morning on start up?

the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which is not
foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.

I was under the impression that it should go to the foul waste outlet.
I have seen it pushed into a drainpipe before.

Alpha CD32C or Worcester 30CDdi are the two on the quotes, both approx £ 900
delivered.
both get extended warranty if installed by their registered installers so
I'll miss this extra piece of mind I guess

I had an Alpha for 10 years. It gave up as the heat exchanger was caked
in debris from the CH system, and a lack of inhibitor. Other than that,
it worked fine. The fault could be traced back to the original sloppy
fitment which didnt fit any filtration, flushing out, or inhibitor into
the system when the new combi was plumbed into the old back boiler
system.
That why I DIY my own now - I know I'm doing it right then.
It would be a good time to fit a filter, something like a Magnaclean.

Elbows rather than bends are fine, though I'd go for soldered fittings.
Personal preference - cheaper, neater, and dont tend to leak at all when
done correctly.

Alan.
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Vass wrote:
?

"Vass" wrote in message
. uk...

its the option I'm going down now

as a footnote
I tend to use elbows, not bend pipe, will this cause me issues?
Gas meter is 2 mtrs from new boiler position
Flow and Return original location is 3 mtrs away (airing cupboard
above garage)
Same for HW
TIA

It will not make any difference. The pipe benders only tend to get used for
asthetics or unusual routes.

--
Adam

?

"A.Lee" wrote in message
...

Alpha CD32C or Worcester 30CDdi are the two on the quotes, both approx £
900
delivered.
both get extended warranty if installed by their registered installers so
I'll miss this extra piece of mind I guess

I had an Alpha for 10 years. It gave up as the heat exchanger was caked
in debris from the CH system, and a lack of inhibitor. Other than that,
it worked fine. The fault could be traced back to the original sloppy
fitment which didnt fit any filtration, flushing out, or inhibitor into
the system when the new combi was plumbed into the old back boiler
system.
That why I DIY my own now - I know I'm doing it right then.
It would be a good time to fit a filter, something like a Magnaclean.

Elbows rather than bends are fine, though I'd go for soldered fittings.
Personal preference - cheaper, neater, and dont tend to leak at all when
done correctly.

Alan.


thanks Alan, yes all yorkshires, I'm currently removing the plastic pushfits
just to remove any
doubt with it being a pressurised system soon.
Ta for tips and advice.
--
Vass

"A.Lee" wrote in message
...
Vass wrote:

"A.Lee" wrote in message
If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?

its the option I'm going down now
but my friendly plumber whose happy to commission wants to dig a soak
away
for the condenser waste
(2 litres per hour? really?)

Doubtful. Worst case scenario maybe, but in real life, 100ml each
morning on start up?

the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which is not
foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.

I was under the impression that it should go to the foul waste outlet.

Why. It's condensed water vapour, how can it be "dirty"?

tim

On Nov 3, 10:38 am, "tim...." wrote:
"A.Lee" wrote in message

...



Vass wrote:

"A.Lee" wrote in message
If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?

its the option I'm going down now
but my friendly plumber whose happy to commission wants to dig a soak
away
for the condenser waste
(2 litres per hour? really?)

Doubtful. Worst case scenario maybe, but in real life, 100ml each
morning on start up?

the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which is not
foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.

I was under the impression that it should go to the foul waste outlet.

Why. It's condensed water vapour, how can it be "dirty"?

mmm not water - actually acid - pH 2.9-4 nitric acid solution, (and
sulphuric acid too if oil fired boiler)

deserves thinking about where to shove it

Jim K

tim.... wrote:

"A.Lee" wrote in message

the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which is not
foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.

I was under the impression that it should go to the foul waste outlet.

Why. It's condensed water vapour, how can it be "dirty"?

It is slightly acidic, hence the need to have it going to the waste/soil
pipe, rather then the drainpipe which in many houses runs straight off
to a local river/stream.

I'm pretty sure this is in one of the Regs, as my mate will not fit one
into a drain pipe, as he's a stickler for the rules.

Alan.


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geoff wrote:

In message , The
Night Tripper writes

Agreed - the first major bit of D-I-Y plumbing I did (twenty years ago)
was fitting my own Central Heating. I did everything except connecting and
commissioning the boiler. I got a corgi-registered 'good egg' to do that
... from memory he charged me 50 quid ;-).

What, you let a CORGI near a boiler ?

Actually, wot I rote was a bit of shorthand. He actually taught plumbing &
Gas installation etc. at the local college, and was the son of my next-door-
neighbour, so I hoped had a vested interest in a safe installation. I
*assumed* he was Corgi registered, but it wasn't my criteria for selecting
him ;-).

J^n

Vass wrote:
?

"A.Lee" wrote in message
.. .
If you have already taken out the old one, why not fit the new one
yourself?
It isnt rocket science, a general understanding of plumbing helps. If
you dont think you are safe connecting the gas, then get someone in
to do that bit. It should be 2 hours work at most connecting a gas
supply to a boiler then testing it all. However, if there is a leak
anywhere in the house piping, then it could get expensive, but that
would happen whether you fitted it yourself or someone else did it.

I did mine 2 years ago, and was a bit daunted by the prospect, but it
all went really well, took me a day to do the swap. I thought the new
would be a straight fit into place, but it wasnt, all 4 pipes at the
back had to be moved. i'm pretty proficient at plumbing, so it wasnt
a problem, apart from time consuming. It helped that I have a good
range of fittings on the van at all times. As a DIYer, this may not
be possible.


its the option I'm going down now
but my friendly plumber whose happy to commission wants to dig a soak
away for the condenser waste
(2 litres per hour? really?)
the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which is
not foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.
Alpha CD32C or Worcester 30CDdi are the two on the quotes, both
approx £ 900 delivered.
both get extended warranty if installed by their registered
installers so I'll miss this extra piece of mind I guess

We've had an Alpha CD32C for about 5 years now and it's been brilliant, no
problems whatsoever. They come with a 3-year warranty as standard and can be
extended to 5 years if you use the "Premier Pack" backplate/jig-type thingy.
This is because it has a cyclone device on there that collects crud and
stops it circulating around the system.

The cyclone used to be integral to the boiler (as ours is) but for some
reason they decided to mount it on the backplate instead, making it an
optional extra. Don't know if the backplate is available to DIYers or just
trade.

?

"Bill Payer" wrote in message
...
Vass wrote:
?



its the option I'm going down now
but my friendly plumber whose happy to commission wants to dig a soak
away for the condenser waste
(2 litres per hour? really?)
the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which is
not foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.
Alpha CD32C or Worcester 30CDdi are the two on the quotes, both
approx £ 900 delivered.
both get extended warranty if installed by their registered
installers so I'll miss this extra piece of mind I guess

We've had an Alpha CD32C for about 5 years now and it's been brilliant, no
problems whatsoever. They come with a 3-year warranty as standard and can
be extended to 5 years if you use the "Premier Pack" backplate/jig-type
thingy. This is because it has a cyclone device on there that collects
crud and stops it circulating around the system.

The cyclone used to be integral to the boiler (as ours is) but for some
reason they decided to mount it on the backplate instead, making it an
optional extra. Don't know if the backplate is available to DIYers or just
trade.
yeh saw that, £ 150 extra, my plumber said not to bother, use a magnet
thingy instead?
--
Vass

Vass wrote:
?

"Bill Payer" wrote in message
...
Vass wrote:
?



its the option I'm going down now
but my friendly plumber whose happy to commission wants to dig a
soak away for the condenser waste
(2 litres per hour? really?)
the other quote I had was going to plumb into the drainpipe (which
is not foul waste)
so I'm confused by conflicting requirements.
Alpha CD32C or Worcester 30CDdi are the two on the quotes, both
approx £ 900 delivered.
both get extended warranty if installed by their registered
installers so I'll miss this extra piece of mind I guess

We've had an Alpha CD32C for about 5 years now and it's been
brilliant, no problems whatsoever. They come with a 3-year warranty
as standard and can be extended to 5 years if you use the "Premier
Pack" backplate/jig-type thingy. This is because it has a cyclone
device on there that collects crud and stops it circulating around
the system. The cyclone used to be integral to the boiler (as ours is)
but for
some reason they decided to mount it on the backplate instead,
making it an optional extra. Don't know if the backplate is
available to DIYers or just trade.
yeh saw that, £ 150 extra, my plumber said not to bother, use a magnet
thingy instead?

Well, I'm not a plumber and don't know about 'magnet thingies' (copper swarf
isn't magnetic is it?) but I can say that the cyclone really works. It was
because of the cyclone that Alpha were offering 3-year warranties when other
manufacturers like WB or whoever were a standard 1-year, I believe - and
don't forget that it extends the warranty for a further two years making 5
in all.

On Nov 3, 10:38*am, "tim...." wrote:

Why. *It's condensed water vapour, how can it be "dirty"?

It's acidic. Acidic enough to do a number on any concrete or mortar it
might encounter, until well diluted. Sticking it straight into an
older drain with any cement near it really is asking for trouble.

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"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 10:38 am, "tim...." wrote:

Why. It's condensed water vapour, how can it be "dirty"?

It's acidic. Acidic enough to do a number on any concrete or mortar it
might encounter, until well diluted. Sticking it straight into an
older drain with any cement near it really is asking for trouble.

oh, fook!