When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Dave

In article ,
Dave writes:
When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

That would be an excellent question for uk.telecom

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

On 8 Aug,
Dave wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

If it wasn't for their excellent cable broadband (not fibre optic as
advertised, but coaxial cable) I'd leave. The best BT say they can provide on
the twisted pair phone lines here is 3Mb, although other providers say up to
22Mb over the same wires.

At least I get most of the 10Mb I pay for with virgin.

--
B Thumbs
Change lycos to yahoo to reply

"Dave" wrote in message
...
When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get caller
display again?

Dave


I assume you have recently moved to VM? Some of their exchanges cannot
deliver CLI, and some use a different system to BT (there is not, despite
what you may be told, a UK defined standard for delivering CLI)- it depends
where you live and the exchange you are connected to - you may also need to
replace your phone to one that supports both systems and subscribe to their
service if it's available.

Good luck because VM had/have no idea of what phones will work with their
exchanges.

Peter

On 08/08/2010 22:58, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In ,
writes:
When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

That would be an excellent question for uk.telecom

Thanks, I've made a note of it and will joint that ng sometime tomorrow.

Dave

On 08/08/2010 23:10, wrote:
On 8 Aug,
wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

Most of the calls are inbound, so £2 or thereabouts would be fine.

If it wasn't for their excellent cable broadband (not fibre optic as
advertised, but coaxial cable) I'd leave. The best BT say they can provide on
the twisted pair phone lines here is 3Mb, although other providers say up to
22Mb over the same wires.

I'd like to see anyone get 22Mb on twisted pair, unless they lived next
door to the exchange.

Ours is supposed to be fibre optic, so next time I see an engineer in
their box around the corner, I'll ask him

At least I get most of the 10Mb I pay for with virgin.

I am quite happy with the speed, even though I don't do many big
downloads. It was a bit slow Fri and Sat but I put that down to high
demand. Kids at home for 2 weeks and now getting bored with the weather
we are having locally (rain every day, but sporadic and unpredictable.)

Dave

On 08/08/2010 23:42, Peter Andrews wrote:
wrote in message
...
When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get caller
display again?

Dave


I assume you have recently moved to VM? Some of their exchanges cannot
deliver CLI, and some use a different system to BT (there is not, despite
what you may be told, a UK defined standard for delivering CLI)- it depends
where you live and the exchange you are connected to - you may also need to
replace your phone to one that supports both systems and subscribe to their
service if it's available.

Good luck because VM had/have no idea of what phones will work with their
exchanges.

Thanks for that.

Dave

"Peter Andrews" wrote in message
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"Dave" wrote in message
...
When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Dave


I assume you have recently moved to VM? Some of their exchanges cannot
deliver CLI, and some use a different system to BT (there is not, despite
what you may be told, a UK defined standard for delivering CLI)- it
depends where you live and the exchange you are connected to - you may
also need to replace your phone to one that supports both systems and
subscribe to their service if it's available.

Good luck because VM had/have no idea of what phones will work with their
exchanges.

Peter

And they did away with their excellent support news group too. Grrr

S

In article ,
Dave wrote:
When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Pay them an extra 2 quid a month:

http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html...argecalls.html

Used to be issues in some areas with differing standards for it - suspect
with a modern phone it'll not be an issue

Darren

"Dave" wrote in message
...


If it wasn't for their excellent cable broadband (not fibre optic as
advertised, but coaxial cable) I'd leave. The best BT say they can
provide on
the twisted pair phone lines here is 3Mb, although other providers say up
to
22Mb over the same wires.

I'd like to see anyone get 22Mb on twisted pair, unless they lived next
door to the exchange.

I get 18.5Mb and I am about 1.2km from the exchange as the cable flies.

Ours is supposed to be fibre optic, so next time I see an engineer in
their box around the corner, I'll ask him

They are fibre optic in the same way all the others are, some of the network
is fibre.
Some of the customers are fully fibre (except for the cabled bits like gig
ethernet between the routers and head ends, etc.) but not many.

At least I get most of the 10Mb I pay for with virgin.

I am quite happy with the speed, even though I don't do many big
downloads. It was a bit slow Fri and Sat but I put that down to high
demand. Kids at home for 2 weeks and now getting bored with the weather we
are having locally (rain every day, but sporadic and unpredictable.)

Virgin traffic shape, if you do try to use it a lot they slow you down.
They slow you down for a long time to punish you for daring to use it at
peak times.
they could just slow you down for the peak time but they choose to punish
you for longer so you don't do it often.

I'm with sky and get full speed most of the time and they do not restrict
you at all.

Dave

wrote in message ...
On 8 Aug,
Dave wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

If it wasn't for their excellent cable broadband (not fibre optic as
advertised, but coaxial cable) I'd leave. The best BT say they can provide
on
the twisted pair phone lines here is 3Mb, although other providers say up
to
22Mb over the same wires.

At least I get most of the 10Mb I pay for with virgin.

--
B Thumbs
Change lycos to yahoo to reply


It is fibre optic on all their trunks, and through their main switches. It
is converted to coax at the street level cabs. The coax section does not
slow anything down. It just eases the final delivery phase of your
connection. Calling it fibre optic for the purposes of advertising, is not a
lie exactly, because the bulk of the delivery network actually *is*, it
just isn't fibre optic for *quite* all the way.

Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On 8 Aug,
Dave wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

If it wasn't for their excellent cable broadband (not fibre optic as
advertised, but coaxial cable) I'd leave. The best BT say they can
provide on
the twisted pair phone lines here is 3Mb, although other providers say up
to
22Mb over the same wires.

At least I get most of the 10Mb I pay for with virgin.

--
B Thumbs
Change lycos to yahoo to reply


It is fibre optic on all their trunks, and through their main switches.
It is converted to coax at the street level cabs. The coax section does
not slow anything down. It just eases the final delivery phase of your
connection. Calling it fibre optic for the purposes of advertising, is not
a lie exactly, because the bulk of the delivery network actually *is*, it
just isn't fibre optic for *quite* all the way.

Arfa

So the connection between the last piece of equipment and the customer is
not fibre, but the rest is...

A like ADSL then, where the uplinks from the telephone exchange are fibre?

Toby...

"Toby" wrote in message
...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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wrote in message
...
On 8 Aug,
Dave wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

If it wasn't for their excellent cable broadband (not fibre optic as
advertised, but coaxial cable) I'd leave. The best BT say they can
provide on
the twisted pair phone lines here is 3Mb, although other providers say
up to
22Mb over the same wires.

At least I get most of the 10Mb I pay for with virgin.

--
B Thumbs
Change lycos to yahoo to reply


It is fibre optic on all their trunks, and through their main switches.
It is converted to coax at the street level cabs. The coax section does
not slow anything down. It just eases the final delivery phase of your
connection. Calling it fibre optic for the purposes of advertising, is
not a lie exactly, because the bulk of the delivery network actually
*is*, it just isn't fibre optic for *quite* all the way.

Arfa

So the connection between the last piece of equipment and the customer is
not fibre, but the rest is...

A like ADSL then, where the uplinks from the telephone exchange are fibre?

Toby...

That's what I have always understood from my mate who works for them on this
stuff, yes. I will give him a call, and check.

Arfa

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:

Ours is supposed to be fibre optic, so next time I see an engineer in
their box around the corner, I'll ask him

They are fibre optic in the same way all the others are, some of the network
is fibre.

Fibre goes a fair way to the cabs - not to all but the active ones have
fibre to them AIUI. Coax from there to the house.

Some of the customers are fully fibre (except for the cabled bits like gig
ethernet between the routers and head ends, etc.) but not many.

Really? Fibre to the house? Not sure there is much point given I'd imagine
the transcievers are quite a bit more expensive.

Virgin traffic shape, if you do try to use it a lot they slow you down.

Not on their top tier service

They slow you down for a long time to punish you for daring to use it at
peak times.

Not on their top tier service

they could just slow you down for the peak time but they choose to punish
you for longer so you don't do it often.

Not on their top tier service


I'm with sky and get full speed most of the time and they do not restrict
you at all.

I quite like the way VM are upfront about their shaping - instead of
hiding it away. Also means you can run "flat out" if wanted without worrying
about falling foul of some limit you can't easily measure. It's just the
speed of "flat out" that varies.

Each to their own. Now if only they could sort out their offshore call
centres :-/

Darren

In message , D.M.Chapman
writes
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:

Ours is supposed to be fibre optic, so next time I see an engineer in
their box around the corner, I'll ask him

They are fibre optic in the same way all the others are, some of the network
is fibre.

Fibre goes a fair way to the cabs - not to all but the active ones have
fibre to them AIUI. Coax from there to the house.

Some of the customers are fully fibre (except for the cabled bits like gig
ethernet between the routers and head ends, etc.) but not many.

Really? Fibre to the house? Not sure there is much point given I'd imagine
the transcievers are quite a bit more expensive.

Virgin traffic shape, if you do try to use it a lot they slow you down.

Not on their top tier service

They slow you down for a long time to punish you for daring to use it at
peak times.

Not on their top tier service

they could just slow you down for the peak time but they choose to punish
you for longer so you don't do it often.

Not on their top tier service

C'mon, this is dennis





I'm with sky and get full speed most of the time and they do not restrict
you at all.

I quite like the way VM are upfront about their shaping - instead of
hiding it away. Also means you can run "flat out" if wanted without worrying
about falling foul of some limit you can't easily measure. It's just the
speed of "flat out" that varies.


And not at all as bad as Demon who, if you exceed their rolling limit
clamp you for a month

Be there are better than the lot. No shaping and a very reliable
service (well in the past 12 months, anyway)


--
geoff

In article , geoff wrote:

Be there are better than the lot. No shaping and a very reliable
service (well in the past 12 months, anyway)

I've been happy with VM - I get a pretty constant 50Mbit when ever I've
tested it. Service is fine as long as you avoid their offshore call centres
which can be a bit painful :-(

Darren

In message , D.M.Chapman
writes
In article , geoff wrote:

Be there are better than the lot. No shaping and a very reliable
service (well in the past 12 months, anyway)

I've been happy with VM - I get a pretty constant 50Mbit when ever I've
tested it. Service is fine as long as you avoid their offshore call centres
which can be a bit painful :-(

Yes - I'm on VM here at home

I have the L package I don't need the faster uncapped package

I use Be There at work and they knock spots off Demon, aren't shaped,
I've never experienced a downtime, Bulgarian (?) support who will help
you with almost anything and significantly cheaper


--
geoff

In article , geoff
scribeth thus
In message , D.M.Chapman
writes
In article , geoff wrote:

Be there are better than the lot. No shaping and a very reliable
service (well in the past 12 months, anyway)

I've been happy with VM - I get a pretty constant 50Mbit when ever I've
tested it. Service is fine as long as you avoid their offshore call centres
which can be a bit painful :-(

Yes - I'm on VM here at home

I have the L package I don't need the faster uncapped package

Fine here too 'tho the web's been a bit tardy of late..

I use Be There at work and they knock spots off Demon, aren't shaped,

Is that knocked spots off meaning they are faster, don't cap or throttle
you, or they dont fall over as often as Demon?...


I've never experienced a downtime, Bulgarian (?) support who will help
you with almost anything and significantly cheaper



--
Tony Sayer

On 08/08/2010 23:10, wrote:
On 8 Aug,
wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

Thank, I've just got off the phone to them and it should be up and
running this time tomorrow.

Dave

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 08/08/2010 23:10, wrote:
On 8 Aug,
wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

Thank, I've just got off the phone to them and it should be up and running
this time tomorrow.

Dave

Just a quick note. When I asked Virgin for caller ID it seemed not to work.
When I called them to find out why it turns out that you have to personally
activate it once they have turned it on at their computer. I cannot
remember the activation code you dial to do this, but I am sure a quick
google and you will find it.

Cheers

Adam

In message , tony sayer
writes
In article , geoff
scribeth thus
In message , D.M.Chapman
writes
In article , geoff wrote:

Be there are better than the lot. No shaping and a very reliable
service (well in the past 12 months, anyway)

I've been happy with VM - I get a pretty constant 50Mbit when ever I've
tested it. Service is fine as long as you avoid their offshore call centres
which can be a bit painful :-(

Yes - I'm on VM here at home

I have the L package I don't need the faster uncapped package

Fine here too 'tho the web's been a bit tardy of late..

I use Be There at work and they knock spots off Demon, aren't shaped,

Is that knocked spots off meaning they are faster, don't cap or throttle
you, or they dont fall over as often as Demon?...


All of the above

Well impressed with them


I've never experienced a downtime, Bulgarian (?) support who will help
you with almost anything and significantly cheaper




--
geoff

On 10/08/2010 17:41, ARWadsworth wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 08/08/2010 23:10, wrote:
On 8 Aug,
wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

Thank, I've just got off the phone to them and it should be up and running
this time tomorrow.

Dave

Just a quick note. When I asked Virgin for caller ID it seemed not to work.
When I called them to find out why it turns out that you have to personally
activate it once they have turned it on at their computer. I cannot
remember the activation code you dial to do this, but I am sure a quick
google and you will find it.

Thanks for the warning Adam. I'll ring them Thursday and find out what
it is. A quick google didn't turn much up and I have other priorities on
my mind now.

Just found out about 2 hours ago, the rug rats are not going home until
2 weeks after I thought they were, so I have to forward plan a whole new
set of menu's.

Dave

Toby wrote:
So the connection between the last piece of equipment and the customer is
not fibre, but the rest is...

A like ADSL then, where the uplinks from the telephone exchange are fibre?

Pretty much. But the street cab is usually a lot closer than the BT
exchange. Also they won't connect you if there's going to be any
degradation from the coax run, so the coax isn't the bottleneck. ADSL, on
the other hand, will connect you on almost any cable run but with
significant speed degradation even on short runs. You don't get to find out
your ADSL speed until you have subscribed, while for Virgin if you can get
any connection it'll be at the full advertised speed (for the local
connection anyway - routing to the internet is entirely another question,
for any ISP).

Theo

On 10/08/2010 17:41, ARWadsworth wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 08/08/2010 23:10, wrote:
On 8 Aug,
wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's left of
the crap after the telephone preference service had had a go.

These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a month for
caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call charges.

Thank, I've just got off the phone to them and it should be up and running
this time tomorrow.

Dave

Just a quick note. When I asked Virgin for caller ID it seemed not to work.
When I called them to find out why it turns out that you have to personally
activate it once they have turned it on at their computer. I cannot
remember the activation code you dial to do this, but I am sure a quick
google and you will find it.

Phoned them up 24 hours later for the code and telephone number to call
to activate it and they told me it was up and running :-))

Dave

Dave wrote:
On 10/08/2010 17:41, ARWadsworth wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 08/08/2010 23:10, wrote:
On 8 Aug,
wrote:

When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's
left of the crap after the telephone preference service had had a
go. These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to
get caller display again?

Unfortunately you need to pay them another £2 or thereabouts a
month for caller display. That's on top of their exorbitant call
charges.

Thank, I've just got off the phone to them and it should be up and
running this time tomorrow.

Dave

Just a quick note. When I asked Virgin for caller ID it seemed not
to work. When I called them to find out why it turns out that you
have to personally activate it once they have turned it on at their
computer. I cannot remember the activation code you dial to do
this, but I am sure a quick google and you will find it.

Phoned them up 24 hours later for the code and telephone number to
call to activate it and they told me it was up and running :-))

Dave

They must do it automatically now then. Probably sick of people ringing up
and asking why it was not working:-)
--
Adam

Spamlet wrote:
"Peter Andrews" wrote in message
news:0pG7o.46967$7Z3.36717@hurricane...

"Dave" wrote in message
...
When we were with BT we had caller display to filter out what's
left of the crap after the telephone preference service had had a
go. These days, all we get on the phone display is CALL. Any way to get
caller display again?

Dave


I assume you have recently moved to VM? Some of their exchanges
cannot deliver CLI, and some use a different system to BT (there is
not, despite what you may be told, a UK defined standard for
delivering CLI)- it depends where you live and the exchange you are
connected to - you may also need to replace your phone to one that
supports both systems and subscribe to their service if it's
available. Good luck because VM had/have no idea of what phones will work
with
their exchanges.

Peter

And they did away with their excellent support news group too. Grrr

Too true. That was helpful.