Yet more on parcels, and how it can all be good sometimes. The item that I
ordered from China, was delivered to my door at 9 am today - That's less
than 24 hours after it actually left the seller, collected from him by DHL.
Spot on accurate tracking info all the way. How good is that ?

So, I'm now the proud owner of a shiny (well, black actually) new hot air
rework station for surface mount soldering. It has the hot air bit, with
continuously variable settings for temperature and airflow, and a
temperature controlled standard iron as well. Comes with a selection of 5
hot air nozzles, 3 tips for the soldering iron, a stand for the hot air
handpiece, a stand for the iron, a spare element for the hot air handpiece,
and a spare element for the iron. Stout all metal case with carrying handle.
Separate digital displays for both soldering tools' temperature settings.
Automatic cool down cycling after switch off. Air pump is almost silent in
operation, and feeds the air via a good quality heatproof rubber tube.
Solder iron plugs in with a decent ring-lock DIN plug.

And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less sophisticated
model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few weeks, and it does
exactly what it says on the can, and does it well. I know that China is an
emerging economy, but even so, how can they do tools like this for the
money, and what chance does the rest of the world stand ? Now if they can
just get their English a bit better . Printed on the top of the unit --

" CAUTION The pump screw (M5x10,White) offuselage bottom must be
take-offed before the use. Otherwise the serious problem can be caused, Must
affirm the red screw to take-off the fuselage bottom ! Before the
transportation must be good eith the fuselage pump screw (M5x10.White) of
the bottom lock, otherwise can cause the serious problem "

All punctuation - or lack of it - and spellings etc, exactly as they appear
! :-)

Best of it is, there are no white or red screws ! I had to work out that the
two gold screws in the centre of the four rubber bits that came through the
base, were probably holding down the pump base against those bits of rubber,
which were probably the antivibration mounts. And so it proved.

Arfa

And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less sophisticated
model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few weeks, and it does
exactly what it says on the can, and does it well. I know that China is an
emerging economy, but even so, how can they do tools like this for the
money, and what chance does the rest of the world stand ?


I think you'll find the average Chinese will work for a lot less that
what the average Brit will work for. I hear also that they don't have as
much legislative and H&S bollokx that we have..

So I'm told by the manager of a factory where production has shut down
and been moved to .. China.....


Now if they can
just get their English a bit better . Printed on the top of the unit --

" CAUTION The pump screw (M5x10,White) offuselage bottom must be
take-offed before the use. Otherwise the serious problem can be caused, Must
affirm the red screw to take-off the fuselage bottom ! Before the
transportation must be good eith the fuselage pump screw (M5x10.White) of
the bottom lock, otherwise can cause the serious problem "

All punctuation - or lack of it - and spellings etc, exactly as they appear
! :-)

Best of it is, there are no white or red screws ! I had to work out that the
two gold screws in the centre of the four rubber bits that came through the
base, were probably holding down the pump base against those bits of rubber,
which were probably the antivibration mounts. And so it proved.


Well at least we can teach 'em a thing or two about the Queens English
and how she is spoken eh;?...


Arfa


--
Tony Sayer

In message m6j2o.333104$NW.124408@hurricane, Arfa Daily
writes
Yet more on parcels, and how it can all be good sometimes. The item
that I ordered from China, was delivered to my door at 9 am today -
That's less than 24 hours after it actually left the seller, collected
from him by DHL. Spot on accurate tracking info all the way. How good
is that ?

So, I'm now the proud owner of a shiny (well, black actually) new hot
air rework station for surface mount soldering. It has the hot air bit,
with continuously variable settings for temperature and airflow, and a
temperature controlled standard iron as well.

So more hot air than normal then ha ha

Can you email me details - CET so has to have one of those

Comes with a selection of 5 hot air nozzles, 3 tips for the soldering
iron, a stand for the hot air handpiece, a stand for the iron, a spare
element for the hot air handpiece, and a spare element for the iron.
Stout all metal case with carrying handle. Separate digital displays
for both soldering tools' temperature settings. Automatic cool down
cycling after switch off. Air pump is almost silent in operation, and
feeds the air via a good quality heatproof rubber tube. Solder iron
plugs in with a decent ring-lock DIN plug.

And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less
sophisticated model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few
weeks, and it does exactly what it says on the can, and does it well. I
know that China is an emerging economy, but even so, how can they do
tools like this for the money, and what chance does the rest of the
world stand ? Now if they can just get their English a bit better .
Printed on the top of the unit --
" CAUTION The pump screw (M5x10,White) offuselage bottom must be
take-offed before the use. Otherwise the serious problem can be caused,
Must affirm the red screw to take-off the fuselage bottom ! Before the
transportation must be good eith the fuselage pump screw (M5x10.White)
of the bottom lock, otherwise can cause the serious problem "

All punctuation - or lack of it - and spellings etc, exactly as they
appear ! :-)

Best of it is, there are no white or red screws ! I had to work out
that the two gold screws in the centre of the four rubber bits that
came through the base, were probably holding down the pump base against
those bits of rubber, which were probably the antivibration mounts. And
so it proved.

Ar
fa

--
geoff

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
news:m6j2o.333104$NW.124408@hurricane...

And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less
sophisticated model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few weeks,
and it does exactly what it says on the can, and does it well. I know that
China is an emerging economy, but even so, how can they do tools like this
for the money, and what chance does the rest of the world stand ?

Production costs are much lower, also China wants/needs the influx of
Western currency.
There is some tendency towards loss leading that gives the dollar, or pound,
benefit to their economy.

May 2010 I purchased from a local supplier some German manufactured ball
joints @ £55per.
I have used the same local supplier for about 30 years.
This month I repeated the order. Supplier says you'll be happy to know the
price has gone down to £21per.
Goods arrived and they were def substandard. Threads & taper correct but
poorly done, body construction had been severely reduced, which would have
dire effects on the strength and rigidity of the ball joint.
Didn't accept the delivery and returned them to supplier.
Turns out these ball joints are chinese copies or knockoffs.
They are sh1t and could cause serious harm if put into use.

I hope your gadget works well for you and is long lasting.

Nick.

In article m6j2o.333104$NW.124408@hurricane,
Arfa Daily wrote:
And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less
sophisticated model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few
weeks, and it does exactly what it says on the can, and does it well.

I bought one - hot air only, and no displays, from CPC a few years ago for
about that price. It's given good service. A bit noisy, though.

--
*Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 23/07/2010 17:06, Arfa Daily wrote:
Yet more on parcels, and how it can all be good sometimes. The item
that I ordered from China, was delivered to my door at 9 am today -
That's less than 24 hours after it actually left the seller, collected
from him by DHL. Spot on accurate tracking info all the way. How good
is that ?

So, I'm now the proud owner of a shiny (well, black actually) new hot
air rework station for surface mount soldering. It has the hot air
bit, with continuously variable settings for temperature and airflow,
and a temperature controlled standard iron as well. Comes with a
selection of 5 hot air nozzles, 3 tips for the soldering iron, a stand
for the hot air handpiece, a stand for the iron, a spare element for
the hot air handpiece, and a spare element for the iron. Stout all
metal case with carrying handle. Separate digital displays for both
soldering tools' temperature settings. Automatic cool down cycling
after switch off. Air pump is almost silent in operation, and feeds
the air via a good quality heatproof rubber tube. Solder iron plugs in
with a decent ring-lock DIN plug.

And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good
quality unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less
sophisticated model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few
weeks, and it does exactly what it says on the can, and does it well.
I know that China is an emerging economy, but even so, how can they do
tools like this for the money, and what chance does the rest of the
world stand ? Now if they can just get their English a bit better .
Printed on the top of the unit --
" CAUTION The pump screw (M5x10,White) offuselage bottom must be
take-offed before the use. Otherwise the serious problem can be
caused, Must affirm the red screw to take-off the fuselage bottom !
Before the transportation must be good eith the fuselage pump screw
(M5x10.White) of the bottom lock, otherwise can cause the serious
problem "

All punctuation - or lack of it - and spellings etc, exactly as they
appear ! :-)

Best of it is, there are no white or red screws ! I had to work out
that the two gold screws in the centre of the four rubber bits that
came through the base, were probably holding down the pump base
against those bits of rubber, which were probably the antivibration
mounts. And so it proved.

Arfa
It sounds very interesting, so, apart from soldering surface mount
devices, are there any other uses you have found that it can be used
for,e.g, welding PVC or other plastics? What temperature does it go up
to? can you feed it with an inert gas to prevent oxidation?
It sounds like a must have :-) .
Don

On 2010-07-23, tony sayer wrote:
And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less sophisticated
model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few weeks, and it does
exactly what it says on the can, and does it well. I know that China is an
emerging economy, but even so, how can they do tools like this for the
money, and what chance does the rest of the world stand ?


I think you'll find the average Chinese will work for a lot less that
what the average Brit will work for.

Which probably means that the average Brit wants too much
and the average Chinese doesn't realise how poor they are.

I hear also that they don't have as much legislative and
H&S bollokx that we have..

Which is to say that while British workers have gone from
being exploited to being well (perhaps over-) protected,
Chinese workers may still be subject to Dickensian
conditions.


--
Jón Fairbairn
http://www.chaos.org.uk/~jf/Stuff-I-dont-want.html (updated 2009-01-31)

"Donwill" wrote in message
...
On 23/07/2010 17:06, Arfa Daily wrote:
Yet more on parcels, and how it can all be good sometimes. The item that
I ordered from China, was delivered to my door at 9 am today - That's
less than 24 hours after it actually left the seller, collected from him
by DHL. Spot on accurate tracking info all the way. How good is that ?

So, I'm now the proud owner of a shiny (well, black actually) new hot air
rework station for surface mount soldering. It has the hot air bit, with
continuously variable settings for temperature and airflow, and a
temperature controlled standard iron as well. Comes with a selection of 5
hot air nozzles, 3 tips for the soldering iron, a stand for the hot air
handpiece, a stand for the iron, a spare element for the hot air
handpiece, and a spare element for the iron. Stout all metal case with
carrying handle. Separate digital displays for both soldering tools'
temperature settings. Automatic cool down cycling after switch off. Air
pump is almost silent in operation, and feeds the air via a good quality
heatproof rubber tube. Solder iron plugs in with a decent ring-lock DIN
plug.

And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less
sophisticated model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few
weeks, and it does exactly what it says on the can, and does it well. I
know that China is an emerging economy, but even so, how can they do
tools like this for the money, and what chance does the rest of the world
stand ? Now if they can just get their English a bit better . Printed on
the top of the unit --
" CAUTION The pump screw (M5x10,White) offuselage bottom must be
take-offed before the use. Otherwise the serious problem can be caused,
Must affirm the red screw to take-off the fuselage bottom ! Before the
transportation must be good eith the fuselage pump screw (M5x10.White) of
the bottom lock, otherwise can cause the serious problem "

All punctuation - or lack of it - and spellings etc, exactly as they
appear ! :-)

Best of it is, there are no white or red screws ! I had to work out that
the two gold screws in the centre of the four rubber bits that came
through the base, were probably holding down the pump base against those
bits of rubber, which were probably the antivibration mounts. And so it
proved.

Arfa
It sounds very interesting, so, apart from soldering surface mount
devices, are there any other uses you have found that it can be used
for,e.g, welding PVC or other plastics? What temperature does it go up to?
can you feed it with an inert gas to prevent oxidation?
It sounds like a must have :-) .
Don

Hi Don

Temperature goes to 480 deg C. I have used it for working with heatshrink
tubing, but have not tried thermal welding of plastic, although at that
temperature, I'm sure that it would. Five different size tubular section
nozzles come with it, ranging from about 2.5mm up to 8mm or so, and of
course you could use it without any nozzle, I suppose, if you wanted large
area hot air. As to whether you could feed it with an inert gas, I guess you
could, if you took the cover off to get access to the air pump intake pipe.
I got this unit from a FleaBay trader called dragondirectmall. If you look
it up on there by it's model which is KADA 852D+, you should find their
site, if you follow the one with the £55 price tag. On their site is a video
of one of the units being built from start to finish, so you can get an idea
of its quality, I guess, but you also get to see the air pump module being
fitted, so that might give you an idea as to whether you could connect its
inlet to a gas supply, rather than just leaving it open to the air. I
actually found them very helpful on questions - if you can cope with the
Chinese English ok - so you could perhaps ask them ?

Arfa

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Jón Fairbairn
saying something like:

Which probably means that the average Brit wants too much
and the average Chinese doesn't realise how poor they are.

Oh, I think they know, all right. It's relative to local cost of living.
Many young Chinese leave their villages to work in the factories and
send their wages back, enduring dormitory living, regimented workplace
practices and some fairly awful conditions.

I hear also that they don't have as much legislative and
H&S bollokx that we have..

Which is to say that while British workers have gone from
being exploited to being well (perhaps over-) protected,
Chinese workers may still be subject to Dickensian
conditions.

Definitely. This particular Great Leap Forward is built on the exploited
blood and sweat of the millions of factory fodder in the Chinese cities.

In article , Jón Fairbairn
scribeth thus
On 2010-07-23, tony sayer wrote:
And how much for all this ? 55 quid ! I know that it's a good quality
unit, as I have been using the almost identical slightly less sophisticated
model, that is owned by a colleague, for the last few weeks, and it does
exactly what it says on the can, and does it well. I know that China is an
emerging economy, but even so, how can they do tools like this for the
money, and what chance does the rest of the world stand ?


I think you'll find the average Chinese will work for a lot less that
what the average Brit will work for.

Which probably means that the average Brit wants too much
and the average Chinese doesn't realise how poor they are.


Yes...

I hear also that they don't have as much legislative and
H&S bollokx that we have..



Which is to say that while British workers have gone from
being exploited to being well (perhaps over-) protected,
Chinese workers may still be subject to Dickensian
conditions.


And Yes...
--
Tony Sayer