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Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers.
Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg The two controllers took me several months to fix up and reassemble: http://i28.tinypic.com/2a6pnid.jpg Others did all the wooden bits! I made a number of mechanical parts that were missing. I've been posting about those for a while. Thanks for the positive suggestions. Parts carved out of blocks of steel: http://i26.tinypic.com/n6f3o0.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/suxesn.jpg and brass: http://i39.tinypic.com/167sg9g.jpg |
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Does http://www.82045.org.uk/ qualify as a very large DIY project?
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On Jul 13, 7:02 pm, 1501 wrote:
Doeshttp://www.82045.org.uk/qualify as a very large DIY project? Yes of course. I'm trying to stay away from steam engines (because I have enough interests already) but we do have one, because it's a tram, which is being reconditioned at the moment http://i44.tinypic.com/wmmufl.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/19bgx1.jpg |
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:31:27 -0700 (PDT), Matty F
wrote: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg Fabulous looking job. Congratulations. Where is it ? Andy C |
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On Jul 13, 8:18 pm, Andy Cap wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:31:27 -0700 (PDT), Matty F wrote: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg Fabulous looking job. Congratulations. Where is it ? It's in Auckland NZ. The last tram set a standard that we now have to maintain. But no problem. If the labour is free, it doesn't really matter how long it takes to finish them. |
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Matty F wrote:
On Jul 13, 8:18 pm, Andy Cap wrote: On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:31:27 -0700 (PDT), Matty F wrote: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg Fabulous looking job. Congratulations. Where is it ? It's in Auckland NZ. The last tram set a standard that we now have to maintain. But no problem. If the labour is free, it doesn't really matter how long it takes to finish them. A thing of beauty to be sure |
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Matty F wrote:
Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. A very fine piece of work. Railway equipment of that vintage can at least be resurrected by means that enthusiasts can master. Just imagine trying to get all the electronics and software in some present day stock to work in 60 years time ;-) Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Matty F saying something like: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg What a magnificent piece of work; well done to all involved. You'll all be able to design and build one from scratch now, surely? |
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In article , Grimly
Curmudgeon scribeth thus We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Matty F saying something like: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg What a magnificent piece of work; well done to all involved. You'll all be able to design and build one from scratch now, surely? JOOI what sort of volts does that run off, and what sort of current would it pull under normal use?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Jul 13, 11:35 pm, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Grimly Curmudgeon scribeth thus We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Matty F saying something like: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg What a magnificent piece of work; well done to all involved. You'll all be able to design and build one from scratch now, surely? I think we could make most parts, except for the motors. The wheels and axles wear out and need to be replaced sometimes, and they are made in NZ by a commercial firm. Our lathe isn't big enough! JOOI what sort of volts does that run off, and what sort of current would it pull under normal use?.. 600 volts DC, and it was using about 60 amps to accelerate on the flat. |
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"Matty F" wrote in message ... Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg The two controllers took me several months to fix up and reassemble: http://i28.tinypic.com/2a6pnid.jpg Others did all the wooden bits! I made a number of mechanical parts that were missing. I've been posting about those for a while. Thanks for the positive suggestions. Parts carved out of blocks of steel: http://i26.tinypic.com/n6f3o0.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/suxesn.jpg and brass: http://i39.tinypic.com/167sg9g.jpg Whereabouts in Auckland? We are likely to be over towards the end of this year or start of next and wouldn't mind a look round some old trams :-) -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. Helmuth von Moltke the Elder |
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"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message ... Matty F wrote: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. A very fine piece of work. Railway equipment of that vintage can at least be resurrected by means that enthusiasts can master. Just imagine trying to get all the electronics and software in some present day stock to work in 60 years time ;-) It's already apparent with the high-voltage EMU stock. I.e. overhead-line powered trains aren't suitable for enthusiasts, and so conversion to battery operation has to take place. Which severely limits the practicality. I think even third rail is somewhat of a no-no for heritage running - so even things like the old Southern Electrics would need battery power for running. |
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"Matty F" wrote in message ... Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. It looks stunning. Bring it over to the UK! ;-) |
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On 13/07/2010 14:17, Matty F wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:35 pm, tony wrote: In , Grimly scribeth thus We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Matty saying something like: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg What a magnificent piece of work; well done to all involved. You'll all be able to design and build one from scratch now, surely? I think we could make most parts, except for the motors. The wheels and axles wear out and need to be replaced sometimes, and they are made in NZ by a commercial firm. Our lathe isn't big enough! JOOI what sort of volts does that run off, and what sort of current would it pull under normal use?.. 600 volts DC, and it was using about 60 amps to accelerate on the flat. Is that still available in NZ? If it is, what uses it now? Wife was out there about 2 years ago, but I don't remember her mentioning trams on either island. Dave |
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dave wrote:
Is that still available in NZ? If it is, what uses it now? Wife was out there about 2 years ago, but I don't remember her mentioning trams on either island. This is think MOTAT, and the tram #47. Andy |
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On 13/07/2010 07:31, Matty F wrote:
Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg The two controllers took me several months to fix up and reassemble: http://i28.tinypic.com/2a6pnid.jpg Others did all the wooden bits! I made a number of mechanical parts that were missing. I've been posting about those for a while. Thanks for the positive suggestions. Parts carved out of blocks of steel: http://i26.tinypic.com/n6f3o0.jpg http://i40.tinypic.com/suxesn.jpg and brass: http://i39.tinypic.com/167sg9g.jpg What can we say, but congratulations. Just keep posting here, your posts are inspirational and innovative. Dave |
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"John Whitworth" wrote in message ... "Matty F" wrote in message ... Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. It looks stunning. Bring it over to the UK! ;-) We have something similar-ish - http://www.bclm.co.uk/map3.htm |
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In article , "brass monkey"
wrote: We have something similar-ish - http://www.bclm.co.uk/map3.htm Or one of these: www.tramway.co.uk/our-collections/34/tram-fleet at Crich - they may even be interested in your collection -- John W |
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Matty F
wibbled on Tuesday 13 July 2010 14:17 On Jul 13, 11:35 pm, tony sayer wrote: In article , Grimly Curmudgeon scribeth thus We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Matty F saying something like: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg What a magnificent piece of work; well done to all involved Humble applause Your machinework is of course excellent - but who did the paint work? I'm looking at the detail trim lines (yellow or gold) - it looks fantastic. The whole thing is a major excercise in beauty :) You'll all be able to design and build one from scratch now, surely? I think we could make most parts, except for the motors. The wheels and axles wear out and need to be replaced sometimes, and they are made in NZ by a commercial firm. Our lathe isn't big enough! JOOI what sort of volts does that run off, and what sort of current would it pull under normal use?.. 600 volts DC, and it was using about 60 amps to accelerate on the flat. Curious there - does that mean that someone with a short metal pole (eg umbrella - not unlikely in the rain up top if the bottom is full) could get onto the wire overhead? Is the bodywork earthed or insulated from earth? Not with respect to your tram, but just wondered if in their original deployment people had ever zapped themselves?... -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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In article , John
Weston scribeth thus In article , "brass monkey" wrote: We have something similar-ish - http://www.bclm.co.uk/map3.htm Or one of these: www.tramway.co.uk/our-collections/34/tram-fleet at Crich - they may even be interested in your collection Ummm .. what's the difference between a Trolley bus and a Tram?... -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer
wibbled on Wednesday 14 July 2010 00:01 In article , John Weston scribeth thus In article , "brass monkey" wrote: We have something similar-ish - http://www.bclm.co.uk/map3.htm Or one of these: www.tramway.co.uk/our-collections/34/tram-fleet at Crich - they may even be interested in your collection Ummm .. what's the difference between a Trolley bus and a Tram?... The trolley bus is trackless and runs like a bus on rubber wheels and is steerable, subject to the twin pickup poles being able to reach the wires. I've been on both in Latvia. The trolley busses were prone to the pickup poles coming off the wires (age old problem I believe) - requiring the conductor to run out back and re-position them[1]. [1] I seem to remember the old British way in London was to use a long insulated pole to manipulate the pickup pole. The Latvian busses had the cables coming down onto a pair of spring loaded auto-retractor spools on the back (thing hoover cable rewind) - so the conductor would simple pull the electrical cables as a method to move the poles. -- Tim Watts Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer. |
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On Jul 14, 10:55 am, Tim Watts wrote:
Matty F wibbled on Tuesday 13 July 2010 14:17 On Jul 13, 11:35 pm, tony sayer wrote: In article , Grimly Curmudgeon scribeth thus We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Matty F saying something like: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg What a magnificent piece of work; well done to all involved Humble applause Your machinework is of course excellent - but who did the paint work? I'm looking at the detail trim lines (yellow or gold) - it looks fantastic. The whole thing is a major excercise in beauty :) You'll all be able to design and build one from scratch now, surely? I think we could make most parts, except for the motors. The wheels and axles wear out and need to be replaced sometimes, and they are made in NZ by a commercial firm. Our lathe isn't big enough! JOOI what sort of volts does that run off, and what sort of current would it pull under normal use?.. 600 volts DC, and it was using about 60 amps to accelerate on the flat. Curious there - does that mean that someone with a short metal pole (eg umbrella - not unlikely in the rain up top if the bottom is full) could get onto the wire overhead? Is the bodywork earthed or insulated from earth? Not with respect to your tram, but just wondered if in their original deployment people had ever zapped themselves?... All of the overhead wire needs to be raised before people are allowed on the top deck. When at correct height, a seven foot person would have to stand on a seat and use an umbrella to reach the wire. The bodywork and seats are timber. There's no bare metal up top, but it will be earthed. |
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On Jul 14, 3:17 am, "David WE Roberts"
wrote: Whereabouts in Auckland? We are likely to be over towards the end of this year or start of next and wouldn't mind a look round some old trams :-) MOTAT: Western Springs Tramway: http://www.motat.org.nz/collections/trams.htm Wellington Tramway Museum: http://www.trams.org.nz Christchurch Tramway: http://www.tram.co.nz I thought there was another tramway too but I can't remember it. |
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On 13/07/2010 14:17, Matty F wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:35 pm, tony wrote: In , Grimly scribeth thus We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Matty saying something like: Finished at last after several years hard work by volunteers. Basically stripped down to tens of thousands of component parts, tidied up and reassembled. After its first ride today: http://i27.tinypic.com/25ks8pk.jpg What a magnificent piece of work; well done to all involved. You'll all be able to design and build one from scratch now, surely? I think we could make most parts, except for the motors. The wheels and axles wear out and need to be replaced sometimes, and they are made in NZ by a commercial firm. Our lathe isn't big enough! JOOI what sort of volts does that run off, and what sort of current would it pull under normal use?.. 600 volts DC, and it was using about 60 amps to accelerate on the flat. Is the control method based on a Ward-Leonard system? I first came across it in the Army in the middle 50s, we eckies in REME were supposed to service the thing as fitted on a 40mm ack ack gun. Don |
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On Jul 14, 6:32 pm, Donwill wrote:
Is the control method based on a Ward-Leonard system? I first came across it in the Army in the middle 50s, we eckies in REME were supposed to service the thing as fitted on a 40mm ack ack gun. Basically the two motors are switched to be in series or parallel, and at low speeds the excess power is sent though several large resistances under the tram. They can get red hot if you drive the tram slowly with the brakes on, but why would anyone do that? (Answer, when you are making the rails flat with grinding blocks!) The controller can switch to reverse with the small barrel on the right, and one motor can be disconnected using the levers on the left: http://i43.tinypic.com/n21jj4.jpg |
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Donwill wrote:
Is the control method based on a Ward-Leonard system? I first came across it in the Army in the middle 50s, we eckies in REME were supposed to service the thing as fitted on a 40mm ack ack gun. Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tram_controls and http://www.railway-technical.com/tract-01.shtml Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim Watts saying something like: I was just old enough to encounter tram travel in Glasgow and recall the last tram being run; I had a penny flattened by the last Glasgow tram, as did many others, for years. trolley buses [1] I seem to remember the old British way in London was to use a long insulated pole to manipulate the pickup pole. The pickup springing off was quite common, especially at trailing junctions, and quite frequently the restraining strap broke with the jerk as the pickup shot upwards, rendering the 'bus immobile. Istr the driver switched to battery power and pulled in to the side of the road until a repair crew could get out. |
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"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message ... We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Tim Watts saying something like: I was just old enough to encounter tram travel in Glasgow and recall the last tram being run; I had a penny flattened by the last Glasgow tram, as did many others, for years. trolley buses [1] I seem to remember the old British way in London was to use a long insulated pole to manipulate the pickup pole. The pickup springing off was quite common, especially at trailing junctions, and quite frequently the restraining strap broke with the jerk as the pickup shot upwards, rendering the 'bus immobile. Istr the driver switched to battery power and pulled in to the side of the road until a repair crew could get out. That must have been a Trolley Bus rather than a tram. Trams ran on fixed rails so couldn't pull in anywhere! AWEM |
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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Andrew Mawson" saying something like: That must have been a Trolley Bus rather than a tram. Trams ran on fixed rails so couldn't pull in anywhere! Indeed it was, as I indicated. |
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