All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is superb.
The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years. Constitutionally they
got rid of hereditary Lords. The average person has little idea of what this
means - it paves the way to Land Value Taxation and a more truer democracy.
Also the zero unemployment with over a million migrant workers to fuel the
booming economy.

Under Blair/Brown since 1997. Magnificent Facts.......

* The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history.
* The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
* The pound has been almighty strong.
* 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened
here.
* Massive investment in schools and unis. More schools were built under them
than at any other time.
* Massive investment in health. More hospitals were built under them than at
any other time.
* Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
* Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented. The parents are now
made responsible for their children's conduct.
* The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern Europeans and still not
have an unemployment problem.
* Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since the
1600s, removing a self-interst group of large land owners, paving the way
for Land Value Taxation.
* Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the
skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
* Rail infrastructure is being greatly improved - electrification projects.
Tram schemes in many cities. High Speed Rail Networks are planned.
* etc.

The Tories have no intention of changing the current privileged ruling class
Eton/Harrow/Oxbridge system. They are just shuffling deckchairs on the
Titanic.

Look at the appalling Tory record:

* Cardboard cities - and they didn't care, blaming the victims
* Mass unemployment - Horrendous levels.
* Devastation of industry - One fifth of industry went under Thatcher and
Major.
* Devastation of economic growth creating infrastructure - It was
privatized. E.g., Thatcher said the railways and mines were losing money.
They were not as they were a part of the wealth creating process. She was so
dumb her and her party could not see that.
* Private Profit and Socialised Debts - Thatcher privatized the rail tracks
creating Railtrack and of course it went bust having to be replaced by a
Network Rail and non-profit organisation setup by Tony Blair. Small
investors were ripped off and taxpayer picking up the bill yet again.
privatized profits and socialized debts when they have creamed off and ran.
* North Sea Oil Wasted - A total wasting of the greatest legacy left to us -
North Sea Oil. The revenue from the oil was not invested into the country,
in education, training and industry, just used for dole money in failed
economic theories.
* Failed Economic Theories -Implementing the silly Thatcher neo-capitalism
that was bound to fail and did with the Credit Crunch.
* etc
* etc
* etc

Within months of Blair coming to power the cardboard cities were gone. Only
when the world-wide Credit Crunch came in from abroad did it stall. Brown
put together the world-wide rescue plan at the G20 meeting in London.

In these difficult economic times we need hard nosed experience to steer us
out with Brown having that. We do not need a bunch of Hurray Henry's all
from a few schools - like they have in banana republics.

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

Built on sand, you idiot.

"Grimly Curmudgeon" wrote in message
...
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The
pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

Built on sand, you idiot.

Another amateur economist. You can't bluff a strong economy for 12 years.

LOOK AT FACTS, not 1/4 baked opinions.

On 27 Apr, 00:01, Grimly Curmudgeon
wrote:
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Doctor Drivel"
saying something like:

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. They took the country from a basket
case under the Tories into one of the world's strongest economies. The pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

Built on sand, you idiot.

Because the

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:25:16 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

Inflation has been around 2 or 3% for some years before Blair took over.
And the first thing they did was a raid on Pensions, then Brown sold a
lot of our gold at rock bottom prices, etc etc.

The pensions raid was a utter disaster and he was warned about the dire
consequences for both individual's pensions and investment. Nearly all final
schemes have since closed, finsihing off what was the finest scheme in the world
and transferred a huge future liability to the State. Oh and all this was done
in secret. The man is an incompetent and dillusional fool. That said, it's
difficult to find anyone you can have more confidence in. UK politics is in a
dire state.

Andy C

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:25:16 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

Inflation has been around 2 or 3% for some years before Blair took over.
And the first thing they did was a raid on Pensions, then Brown sold a
lot of our gold at rock bottom prices, etc etc.

Inflation was completely out of control under the Tories for almost
all of their reign - despite huge oil revenues and selling off the
family silver they ****ed it against the wall in a truly spectacular
way. The "raid on pensions" is close to immaterial. If your pension
failed to meet expectations then blame the rampant inflation of the
Tories, the lack of growth in the economy, the lack of investment in
infrastructure during the years of massive oil wealth when
unemployment was deemed acceptable for a whole generation.

The sale of gold might have been mistimed, but the government
shouldn't be speculating in precious metals. Gold in the bank does
sweet **** all to improve the prosperity of the country. It doesn't
feed people, or provide them with jobs, or new schools, or new
hospitals or anything worthwhile.

Going back to RPI

13 years of Labour
RPI increase for 1997-2010 36%

Last 10 years of Tory rule
RPI increase 1987-1997 55%

17 years of Tory rule
RPI increase for 1980-1997 236%

Last 13 years of Tory rule
RPI increase for 1984-1997 77%

Source ONS
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBas....asp?vlnk=7172

But don't let facts get in the way of your rabidly misguided views.


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On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:25:16 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

Inflation has been around 2 or 3% for some years before Blair took over.
And the first thing they did was a raid on Pensions, then Brown sold a
lot of our gold at rock bottom prices, etc etc.

Inflation was completely out of control under the Tories for almost
all of their reign - despite huge oil revenues and selling off the
family silver they ****ed it against the wall in a truly spectacular
way. The "raid on pensions" is close to immaterial. If your pension
failed to meet expectations then blame the rampant inflation of the
Tories, the lack of growth in the economy, the lack of investment in
infrastructure during the years of massive oil wealth when
unemployment was deemed acceptable for a whole generation.

The sale of gold might have been mistimed, but the government
shouldn't be speculating in precious metals. Gold in the bank does
sweet **** all to improve the prosperity of the country. It doesn't
feed people, or provide them with jobs, or new schools, or new
hospitals or anything worthwhile.

Going back to RPI

13 years of Labour
RPI increase for 1997-2010 36%

Last 10 years of Tory rule
RPI increase 1987-1997 55%

17 years of Tory rule
RPI increase for 1980-1997 236%

Last 13 years of Tory rule
RPI increase for 1984-1997 77%

Source ONS
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBas....asp?vlnk=7172

But don't let facts get in the way of your rabidly misguided views.

Realistically Labour just about got over the massive Tory mess they
inherited when the Credit Crunch hit us.

On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:15:29 +0100 Doctor Drivel wrote :
The pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

Pound to Australian dollar 3.00 c.2001 now 1.66

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"Tony Bryer" wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:15:29 +0100 Doctor Drivel wrote :
The pound
was the world strongest currency for about 10 years.

Pound to Australian dollar 3.00 c.2001 now 1.66

Please pay attention the FACTS I gave were from 1997 to the world-wide tidal
wave Credit Crunch, which took all. The country is recovering right now
under a world-wide rescue plan put together by Gordon Brown.

FACT!!!!!

In message , Doctor Drivel
writes
Please pay attention the FACTS I gave were from 1997 to the world-wide
tidal wave Credit Crunch, which took all. The country is recovering
right now under a world-wide rescue plan put together by Gordon Brown.

FACT!!!!!

In message , Doctor Drivel
writes

1. Which party took us into Europe
2. Which chancellor came out of No 10 downing street
3. Which government was it, that if you wanted to speak
4. Which prime minister was it who
snip... etc etc etc loads of opinion.

Now, for a real fact, rather than opinion. Which Chancellor was one of
the major proponents of the Basel II agreement, and later became a
signatory of the same?

The agreement which reduced the fractional reserve requirements in some
cases to zero.

I don't for one moment expect you to understand why that's important,
but to give you a clue its called 'fractional reserve banking' and has
underpinned our economic and financial systems for hundreds of years. Or
at least it did, until about ten years ago when some **** decided he
knew better.

I don't for one moment expect you to read the Basel II agreement, and if
you possibly ever did, I wouldn't expect you to actually understand it.

I also wouldn't for one moment expect you to look up and attempt to
understand 'Fractional Reserve Banking' or how the reduction of a 14 -
20% reserve to (in some cases) a zero reserve could ever possibly be
conducive to a good economy. Heavens forbid it could fuel an unfunded
credit boom or something!

We have lived for many, many years in times of a 'Fiat Currency' (no, I
don't expect you to read or understand that either) but simply put it
means the citizens places trust in government to ensure our paper money
has a value that actually resembles the effort that went into producing
it, and hopefully will do so again tomorrow.

With that in mind, as chancellor, would you even consider repealing
Section 6 of the Bank Charter Act 1844? That is the section which made
it a legal requirement for all banks and financial institutions to
report their bottom line, real money (ie capital ratios) on a weekly
basis. Oh, hang on, that very same Chancellor did exactly that on the
quiet and yet he now claims that its all the fault of the banks.

That same Chancellor claims to you and I that he alone fixed the global
crisis. I claim that he caused it.

On a personal note, and just my opinion, I don't give a toss whether one
particular government spends a bit more or a bit less than the other. I
believe in democracy which means I believe in the will of the majority
even if I disagree with them. However, I do give a toss when one
government screws the economy over so bad that we'll all be paying for
it for the next 30 or 40 years.

Look at Greece, sovereign debt now reduced to junk (oh yeah, sovereign
debt at 0% fractional reserve requirements was one of the Chancellors
achievements). Their cost to borrow (even if they could) will go through
the roof. Civil unrest on the streets right now - how long before the
Greek government can't pay the police (cos they can't borrow) and that
unrest becomes full on anarchy?

There is only one major, developed economy with a worse bottom line than
Greece. Yeah, you and me live in it. Are we next? I hope not, but I fear
we could be.
Someone

somebody wrote:


There is only one major, developed economy with a worse bottom line than
Greece. Yeah, you and me live in it. Are we next? I hope not, but I fear
we could be.


Thats not fair. We are in fact marginally better than Greece. We wont
see riots until AFTER May 6th.

The election no one wants to win.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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The election no one wants to win.

Then why are the privileged class Tories running?

"somebody" wrote in message
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I wouldn't expect you to actually understand it.

I understand all the warped opinion you prattle. What you are saying is that
Brown and the rest of the world foresaw the Credit Crunch. WRONG!!!!

Note, the bits below.

1. Professor Sir Charles Woodhart, served on the Bank of England monetary
policy committee, he now admits that standard forecast economic models are
"effectively pretty useless".

2. According to the British governments Property Valuation office in Jan
2008,
land values will continue to rise until 2013.

3. The Daddy of all central bankers was Alan Greenspan, of the US Federal
Reserve. He said,
"the models do not forecast recession because the parameters are dominated
by what happens in normal times when the economy is growing".

As the economy crumbled, He said to the US congress,
"I discovered a flaw in the model which I perceived as a critical function
structure which defines how the world works, I was shocked".

_________

Vested Interests Rigged The Economy

The 1929 and 2008 crashes were fuelled by land prices spiralling out of
control.

The Queen Could not be Told the Truth

When the Queen of England visited the London School of Economics. She asked
a simple question about the looming economic disaster,

"why did no one notice it coming?".

Professor Garicano replied,

"at every stage everyone was relying on someone else, and all thought they
were doing the right thing".

As modern economists use a collection of mangled economics the Queen could
not be told the truth.

Economists 100 Years Ago Colluded to Distort Economics

A century ago a group of influential economists: John Bates Clark, Frank
Knight, Francis Walker, Edward Seligan and Richard Ely, colluded to
manipulate the building blocks of classical economics. They had an
ideological agenda. The future they shaped is our reality. Their mission was
clear to protect the vital interests of the privileged few. To so they had
to conceal the unique qualities of the classical factors of production -
LAND.

A century of economic disasters followed that literally messed with our
lives. Economics has been a tool for contorting our collective
consciousness. The current economic crisis as an example to the pathetic
state to which economics has been reduced.

Modern Economist are Confused

We handsomely reward economists to fine tune to the economy to keep it
stable. When boom turns to bust they escape into mysticism. They claim,

"occasional slow downs are natural and necessary features of a market
economy".

The people we trust to keep the economy on an even keel have no idea what
makes an economy explode. Take the central bankers, they pontificated,
moving interest rates up and and manipulating the money supply. They didn't
know what they were doing - it was all an illusion.

The problem lies in some of the theories invented by encomists. They do not
reflect the real world. They are fictions invented to explain an imaginary
market economy. When the economy overheats the imaginary equations turn out
to be useless.

Economists Admit Their Economic Models Do Not Work

The Daddy of all central bankers was Alan Greenspan, of the US Federal
Reserve. He said,

"the models do not forecast recession because the parameters are dominated
by what happens in normal times when the economy is growing".

As the economy crumbled, He said to the US congress,

"I discovered a flaw in the model which I perceived as a critical function
structure which defines how the world works, I was shocked".

Greenspan's victims are more than shocked, they are traumatised losing their
homes and jobs.

In failing to raise the warning flags, Greenspan was not alone, economists
at the Bank of England also failed to forecast the end of the business
cycle. They confessed their economic models break down when the going
gets tough. Rachel Lomax, deputy governor of the Bank of England confessed,

"When it comes to quantifying the changes in credit conditions, our
workhorse economic models still cannot help us very much".

If you were caught by surprise when the bottom fell out of the credit
market, don't worry, you were in good company. Leading economist at places
like the LSE were also shocked. Professor Sir Charles Woodhart, served on
the Bank of England monetary policy committee, he now admits that standard
forecast economic models are

"effectively pretty useless".

Here is an example of the nonsense that can be produced by economic theory.
According to the British governments Property Valuation office in Jan 2008,
land values will continue to rise until 2013. Six months later the economy
had broken down. The graph has been erased from their web site.

Land Speculators Are the Biggest Gainers

Who gains from this intellectual mess? One groups of people reap spectacular
rewards, property developers, land speculators all reap windfall gains from
one asset that sustains us all, LAND.

In the good times when people go mad buying and selling properties, we
lionise these developers. Yet all they are doing is cashing in the on the
land values others create. Take the case of a cluster of flats adjacent to a
prime brownfields site. Their presence gives value to the adjacent site, yet
the thousands of residents of the flats will not share in the increased
values they help create.

Banks Fuelled The Property/Land Bubble

Bankers around the world played their part in the economic crisis pumping up
credit to fuel the property bubble. As land values rose bankers even created
more money. This was a self inflated bubble of hot air. It had to burst.

Economists Who Know The Answers Are Supressed

For the past century economist have messed with our minds. All is not lost.
A few economists have been stewards of the precious knowledge of how the
economy works. The Nobel prize winning economist Bill Vickry and the
California professor, Mason Gaffney in the USA and Fred Harrison in the UK.
All voices of reason that have been suppressed.

We Need To Force Through ChangeTo Eliminate Vested Interests

With all the global crisis's converging, mass unemployment, poverty,
terrorism. It is time to make up our minds and stop playing the game that
was rigged 100 years ago. If we do not challenge the vested interests that
exploit people, all of us, the environment and future generations will pay
the ultimate price.

Doctor Drivel wrote:

snip

Vested Interests Rigged The Economy

That's how financiers make their money. In other words gambling with
loaded dice.

The 1929 and 2008 crashes were fuelled by land prices spiralling out of
control.

Not according to anyone else bar Dribble and presumably his fellow
nutters who see taxation of land as a panacea for everything.

The 1929 crash was a direct result of investors being allowed to buy on
margin. Borrowing to gamble is always a dangerous business.

The 2008 crash had much the same root cause. House buyers this time
encouraged to take out loans they couldn't support.

snip

Where does Dribble get all the rubbish he posts? It looks for all the
world like a straight copy and paste.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:36:11 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:


"somebody" wrote in message
...

I wouldn't expect you to actually understand it.

I understand all the warped opinion you prattle. What you are saying is that
Brown and the rest of the world foresaw the Credit Crunch. WRONG!!!!

A lot of people foresaw the credit crunch. They just could not say
/when/ it was happen. It's hard to predict when a house of cards will
collapse.

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On 26/04/2010 22:15, Doctor Drivel wrote:
All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record. snipped
The rest is DRIVEL.
Congratulations, first in the killfile in uk.d-i-y.
Don

"Donwill" wrote in message
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On 26/04/2010 22:15, Doctor Drivel wrote:
All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record. snipped The
rest is DRIVEL.
Congratulations, first in the killfile in uk.d-i-y.
Don

Another Sycophant!!!

In message , Donwill
writes
On 26/04/2010 22:15, Doctor Drivel wrote:
All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record. snipped
The rest is DRIVEL.
Congratulations, first in the killfile in uk.d-i-y.
Don

You can't boot the cabaret ...

The only downside if this thread is that I find myself having to agree
with dennis

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geoff

"geoff" wrote in message
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The only downside if this thread is that I find myself having to agree
with dennis

Maxie, you need therapy QUICK! You cannot do this. Sit down in one of your
frocks and relax.

Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown.

Poor old Drivel. Have your meds been delayed due to the recent air flight
groundings? If you're not careful, they'll be forced to use electro-shock
therapy for this level of insanity.

--
Tim Watts

Managers, politicians and environmentalists: Nature's carbon buffer.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
schools.

Hi Group
When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got poorer,
it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think they should
be called New Tories not New Labour.
Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote for a
gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking after
themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie

Roberts wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
schools.

Hi Group
When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got poorer,
it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think they should
be called New Tories not New Labour.
Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote for a
gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking after
themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie



If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for
a few years so that they can't actually change anything.

"stuart noble" wrote in message
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Roberts wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
few
schools.

Hi Group
When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think
they should be called New Tories not New Labour.
Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote for
a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking after
themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie

If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
few years so that they can't actually change anything.

I can't wait for the election to finish then we can get down to the serious
and important issues of the day such as the SA World Cup finals and a summer
holiday with the girlfriend.

Adam

..

"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
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"stuart noble" wrote in message
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Roberts wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
few
schools.

Hi Group
When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think
they should be called New Tories not New Labour.
Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote
for a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking after
themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie

If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
few years so that they can't actually change anything.

I can't wait for the election to finish then we can get down to the
serious and important issues of the day such as the SA World Cup finals
and a summer holiday with the girlfriend.

...and Gordon Brown still in charge. Remember we won the world cup under a
Labour government.

"stuart noble" wrote in message
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Roberts wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
few schools.

Hi Group

When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go.

You missed it. The poorer are richer - far more. The difference between is
wider. All boats, rich and poor rise on the same rising tide.

We could all be richer if we adopted Land Value Taxation, which Hong Kong
and Singapore use to great economic success. That is what we need . The Labs
and Libs have LVT presure groups. The Tories? NONE!

Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote for
a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking after
themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie

That is my experience of the twits. I have worked with many of them. The
shadow cabinet is literally public schoolie twits. In this day and age - the
21st Century? People want them to rule us?

If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
few years so that they can't actually change anything.

There is something in that. A Lab/Lib pact will stop the Tories doing
further harm. Their first acts will be to cut public spending which harms
the poor and reduce inheritance tax for the rich. And people vote for them?
We need people with experience who have been there and done it. Brown was
the longest serving chancellor in history...and the most successful in the
flawed economic model the western world use.

Lab will give hard nosed economic experience and LibDems push through
election and constitution reform. A good combination.

Personally it is best to vote Labour and get Brown back to pulling us out of
the Credit Crunch. Labours record is impeccable indeed. That experience
and record cannot be thrown away. Labour did say they would introduce
election reform. Of all those eligible to vote only about 25% only ever
voted for Thatcher, yet she had total control and was devastating in her
recklessness creating mass poverty. A clear case of the minority controlling
the majority.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:20:32 +0100, "Doctor Drivel"
wrote:

Personally it is best to vote Labour and get Brown back to pulling us out of
the Credit Crunch.

The record of this government speaks for itself and it stinks. They
have been in the pockets of the city gamblers and have never
represented the ordinary "man on the clapham omnibus".

Labours record is impeccable indeed. That experience
and record cannot be thrown away. Labour did say they would introduce
election reform.

Ha Ha. They said they would look at electoral reform in their 1997
manifesto. It never happened. Why would anyone believe them now?

Of all those eligible to vote only about 25% only ever
voted for Thatcher, yet she had total control and was devastating in her
recklessness creating mass poverty. A clear case of the minority controlling
the majority.

It's been the same under a Labour government. Our whole political
system is undemocratic and broken. A major overhaul is necessary.
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Doctor Drivel wrote:

Personally it is best to vote Labour and get Brown back to pulling us
out of the Credit Crunch. Labours record is impeccable indeed. That
experience and record cannot be thrown away. Labour did say they would
introduce election reform. Of all those eligible to vote only about 25%
only ever voted for Thatcher, yet she had total control and was
devastating in her recklessness creating mass poverty. A clear case of
the minority controlling the majority.

I have only just noticed this.

It is a well known fact that Dribble has trouble with numbers. He
usually avoids being precise but the 25% above is rather out of keeping
for him being closer to reality that is usual. (Not particularly close
but closer than expected). Those 'eligible to vote' is of course not the
figure that matters. It appears that in 1979 on a turnout of 76% the
Tories under Thatcher gained 43.9% of the vote. Both those figures are a
good deal higher than Labour under Blair/Brown have achieved.

stuart noble wrote:
Roberts wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
few
schools.

Hi Group
When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think
they should be called New Tories not New Labour.
Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote
for a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking
after themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie


If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for
a few years so that they can't actually change anything.

ten years ago I would have said yes, but right now I think we need some
pretty rapid action.

The recession aint over, It has not really begun yet.

If we don't dismantle the nanny state in pretty short order and demolish
ten years of bureaucratic legislation, the country will sink under the
weight of its bureaucracy.


The only difference a hung parliament will make, is that nothing will be
possible: If you consider that the way things are today, over regulated
with a huge public sector that doesn't really deliver and a punitive tax
regime, is what you want, then go hung. What will happen is that all
attempts to cut public spending will be resisted until there simply
isn't any money, and then it will be tear gas on the streets as the
whole public sector comes out because it hasn't been paid. And Britain
will simply be marked as bad risk and go bust.

meanwhile we wont be allowed to do what needs to be done ourselves, as
it will be against some regulation or other than hasn't been replaced,
either.

Gordon has blown it for labour, Cleggy is a tosser who is just Labour
with a different and even loonier name and policy set.

Cameron is not the most attractive duck on the pond, but at least the
policies stack up: dismantle the stupidity of the Nanny state, and get
the country to sort it self out, and preserve as much of it that is
useful and necessary as funds will allow. At least you wont be penalised
for hard work, productivity and savings, which the others will trash to
pay to keep bureaucrats in jobs.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
few years so that they can't actually change anything.

ten years ago I would have said yes, but right now I think we need some
pretty rapid action.

WRONG!! We need stability and hard people to steer us out of the Credit
Crunch.

Lets us see what what this sycophantic snotty uni one now says....

Cameron is not the most attractive duck on the pond,

What a surprise!! This one would welcome mass unemployment and devastation
yet again. I always wonder what world they live in.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:23:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

stuart noble wrote:
Roberts wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
few
schools.

Hi Group
When it is announced that the rich have got richer and the poor got
poorer, it is time for this so-called Labour government to go. I think
they should be called New Tories not New Labour.
Having been in the Army under Eton educated officers I could not vote
for a gang of useless twits who were almost incapeable of looking
after themselves - the senior NCOs had to step in and run things
Robbie


If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for
a few years so that they can't actually change anything.

ten years ago I would have said yes, but right now I think we need some
pretty rapid action.

The recession aint over, It has not really begun yet.

Agreed.

If we don't dismantle the nanny state in pretty short order and demolish
ten years of bureaucratic legislation, the country will sink under the
weight of its bureaucracy.

It's a good way to make cuts too. Get rid ID cards, tax credits (to
be replaced by fairer taxation), reform public sector pensions, do not
renew trident etc....

The only difference a hung parliament will make, is that nothing will be
possible: If you consider that the way things are today, over regulated
with a huge public sector that doesn't really deliver and a punitive tax
regime, is what you want, then go hung. What will happen is that all
attempts to cut public spending will be resisted until there simply
isn't any money, and then it will be tear gas on the streets as the
whole public sector comes out because it hasn't been paid. And Britain
will simply be marked as bad risk and go bust.

This is just tory scare mongering. The financial markets have been
fairly stable now a hung parliament is likely.

meanwhile we wont be allowed to do what needs to be done ourselves, as
it will be against some regulation or other than hasn't been replaced,
either.

Gordon has blown it for labour, Cleggy is a tosser who is just Labour
with a different and even loonier name and policy set.

Agree with the first part but the Lib Dems are very different from
Labour. Labour and the tories seem to have the most in common
nowadays.

Cameron is not the most attractive duck on the pond, but at least the
policies stack up: dismantle the stupidity of the Nanny state, and get
the country to sort it self out, and preserve as much of it that is
useful and necessary as funds will allow. At least you wont be penalised
for hard work, productivity and savings, which the others will trash to
pay to keep bureaucrats in jobs.

Cameron is very two faced. He says one thing and other tories say
something totally different. Underneath I don't think anything has
changed there.
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"stuart noble" wrote in message
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If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
few years so that they can't actually change anything.

This may be a good idea after a government has put the UK on a good course
but not ATM with the mess its in.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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"stuart noble" wrote in message
...


If the Thatcher/Blair years have taught us anything, it should be that a
hung parliament is the way to go. Let them squabble and horse trade for a
few years so that they can't actually change anything.

This may be a good idea after a government
has put the UK on a good course but not ATM with the mess its in.

You are right it has to be Brown. He has world respect fro his role in
formulating the world recovery plan. We need people who know that are doing
in these dangerous times, not a bunch of Hurray Henry's all from one school,
like you see in a banana republic.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
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Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. FACT!!! FACT!!!

What bunch of brainwashed sycophantic fools. Not one has the ability to put
together the facts from 1997 to the Credit Crunch and recognise that Brown
is pulling us out.

In message , Doctor Drivel
writes

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same few
schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. FACT!!! FACT!!!

What bunch of brainwashed sycophantic fools. Not one has the ability
to put together the facts from 1997 to the Credit Crunch and recognise
that Brown is pulling us out.

So you didn't notice that the rest of the world (except Greece) is
already out ?

--
geoff

geoff wrote:
In message , Doctor Drivel
writes

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
few
schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. FACT!!! FACT!!!

What bunch of brainwashed sycophantic fools. Not one has the ability
to put together the facts from 1997 to the Credit Crunch and recognise
that Brown is pulling us out.

So you didn't notice that the rest of the world (except Greece) is
already out ?

No, the real issue is that no one is out. WE have just bought time at an
enormous expense.

Greece is the first of many. Portugal Ireland, Spain, Iceland UK..and
the USA.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

So you didn't notice that the rest of the world (except Greece) is
already out ?

No, the real issue is that no one is out. WE have just bought time at an
enormous expense.

Greece is the first of many. Portugal Ireland, Spain, Iceland UK..and the
USA.

Land Valuation Tax will pay back the debts, which raises the economy and the
bank's value's. Then the government can sell their shares of the banks which
goes back into public coffers. Most of the debt is buying shares of the
banks.

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:29:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

geoff wrote:
In message , Doctor Drivel
writes

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
Doctor Drivel
wibbled on Monday 26 April 2010 22:15

All Labour have to do is tell the facts about their record, which is
superb. The Hurray Henry Tories shadow cabinet are all from the same
few
schools.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown.

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. FACT!!! FACT!!!

What bunch of brainwashed sycophantic fools. Not one has the ability
to put together the facts from 1997 to the Credit Crunch and recognise
that Brown is pulling us out.

So you didn't notice that the rest of the world (except Greece) is
already out ?

No, the real issue is that no one is out. WE have just bought time at an
enormous expense.

By trying to "re-inflate" the credit bubble things will actually be
much worse in the long run. We should have left the banks go under
IMHO and then nationalise what was left. The taxpayer should /never/
have bailed them out.

Greece is the first of many. Portugal Ireland, Spain, Iceland UK..and
the USA.
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"geoff" wrote in message
...

The best we have had is Blair/Brown. FACT!!! FACT!!!

What bunch of brainwashed sycophantic fools. Not one has the ability to
put together the facts from 1997 to the Credit Crunch and recognise that
Brown is pulling us out.

So you didn't notice that the rest of the world (except Greece) is
already out ?

Maxie what are they out of?

On 27 Apr, 08:21, Tim Watts wrote:

Poor old Drivel. Have your meds been delayed due to the recent air flight
groundings? If you're not careful, they'll be forced to use electro-shock
therapy for this level of insanity.

nah angle grinder, pressure washer, Makita Li-ion Combi drill on
special..... erm..... is that enough? do I win a prize?

JimK

"JimK" wrote in message
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On 27 Apr, 08:21, Tim Watts wrote:

Poor old Drivel. Have your meds been delayed due to the recent air flight
groundings? If you're not careful, they'll be forced to use electro-shock
therapy for this level of insanity.

nah angle grinder, pressure washer, Makita Li-ion Combi drill on
special..... erm..... is that enough? do I win a prize?

JimK

No. You missed off insulation and CFLs.

Plese try again for your £5:-)

Adam