The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

I'd vote for Firefox - reasonably fast, useful addons,
only slight moan is that it's a bit over-enthusiastic on the cacheing
front, which causes some web-design confusion until you suss it!

Apart from that - not drawbacks.
Only use MSIE here for checking website compatibility

Adrian

Lobster gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox.

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

I'd vote for Firefox - reasonably fast, useful addons,

ditto - wait till you install adblock, it's a NEO moment

On 06/03/2010 18:50, Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

I recommend Firefox. You can download several very useful add-ons such
as Adblock Plus, NoScript and Flashblock all of which make browsing
faster, more secure and more pleasant (I hate adverts especially the big
flashy ones).

I'm wary of Chrome. As I understand it has some privacy issues and sends
details of every web site you visit back to Google. That's one step off
spyware.

--
David in Normandy.
To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.

On 06/03/2010 18:04, Adrian wrote:
gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox.

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

And Flashblock.

--
Rod

Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that
it's really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is
it's apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

David,

I use Firefox with the following Add-Ons to 'kill' some of the irritating
stuff (to me anyway).

Adblock Plus - kills adds and banners
BetterPrivacy - kills non deletable long term tracking cookies
Flashblock - stops Flash animations (these really irritate me)!
No Script - stops JavaScript, Java and Flash
Ghostery - alerts you about 'tracking' web bugs, ad networks and widgets

These can cause the odd problem or two now and again, but if that is the
case, you can easily 'open' any 'blocked' items at will to get things
working as they should - usually with a click or two of the mouse - or even
permanently 'allow' them in your favourite programs.

Cash

Rod gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox.

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

And Flashblock.

FlashBlock/NoScript are very marmite, imho. There's no way I'd recommend
'em straight off-pat, because you can guarantee most users will get
almightily peed off at 'em in seconds flat, and be ready to string you up
for recommending 'em by the end of the day.

On 6 Mar, 17:50, Lobster wrote:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox, and make use of the vast range of extensions for it.
AdBlockers for starters.

Chrome mostly works for me, but about every two days it hangs solid
and I lose whatever was on that page. If you use it for online editing
(inc email), that's a killer.

Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?


I like firefox personally.

YMMV.

Thanks
David

On 06/03/2010 18:27, Adrian wrote:
gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox.

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

And Flashblock.

FlashBlock/NoScript are very marmite, imho. There's no way I'd recommend
'em straight off-pat, because you can guarantee most users will get
almightily peed off at 'em in seconds flat, and be ready to string you up
for recommending 'em by the end of the day.

Certainly understand what you are saying. But, rightly or wrongly, I
think Lobster is an experienced enough user to appreciate the effects
they have.

--
Rod

On 6 Mar 2010 18:04:21 GMT, Adrian wrote:
Lobster gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox.

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.


Which service(s) did you subscribe to, if any?

I couldn't find one that appeared suited to the UK.

Bruce gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox.

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

Which service(s) did you subscribe to, if any?

These days, it's auto-subscribed by default to EasyList - which works
fine. The localisation is more by language than anything else.

Bruce wrote:

On 6 Mar 2010 18:04:21 GMT, wrote:

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

Which service(s) did you subscribe to, if any?
I couldn't find one that appeared suited to the UK.

I moved from the ancient Filterset.G to Easylist-USA, seems fine.

Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

As many others here have said - Firefox, although of late I've been
pee'd off with it's rather large resource grab. Currently trying
Sarafi... quite nice, but I've yet to be sold out-right on it.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:18:39 +0000, Mike Dodd
gently dipped his quill in the best Quink that money could buy:

Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

As many others here have said - Firefox, although of late I've been
pee'd off with it's rather large resource grab. Currently trying
Sarafi... quite nice, but I've yet to be sold out-right on it.

Why do i get this loaded onto my system when I tried FF ...
Spyware.infoTrafficZ ?

Went back to IE.

Mike P the 1st

Mike P the 1st wrote:

Why do i get this loaded onto my system when I tried FF ...
Spyware.infoTrafficZ ?

Did you have any bookmarks in IE for the spywareinfo.com site and allow
FF to import them?

The spywareinfo.com domain used to be a "good guys" site but they
somehow lost the domain and now it's run by "bad guys" ...

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:57:46 +0000, Adrian Brentnall wrote:

Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

I'd vote for Firefox - reasonably fast, useful addons,
only slight moan is that it's a bit over-enthusiastic on the cacheing
front, which causes some web-design confusion until you suss it!

Apart from that - not drawbacks.
Only use MSIE here for checking website compatibility

Adrian

Yes, FF is probably the easiest to change to. I prefer Opera, but use FF
occasionally.
For a bit leaner version of FF, Pale Moon is very good:

http://www.palemoon.org/
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:07:26 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

On 06/03/2010 18:50, Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

I recommend Firefox. You can download several very useful add-ons such
as Adblock Plus, NoScript and Flashblock all of which make browsing
faster, more secure and more pleasant (I hate adverts especially the big
flashy ones).

I'm wary of Chrome. As I understand it has some privacy issues and sends
details of every web site you visit back to Google. That's one step off
spyware.

Yes. I've tried it a couple of times and it does do some dubious things and
takes a bit of hacking out.
Comodo does a version without some of the nasty bits, but it's still in the
early stages. I did see a 'sanitised' version somewhere; there is a
portable version.
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:07:26 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:

On 06/03/2010 18:50, Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

I recommend Firefox. You can download several very useful add-ons such
as Adblock Plus, NoScript and Flashblock all of which make browsing
faster, more secure and more pleasant (I hate adverts especially the big
flashy ones).

I'm wary of Chrome. As I understand it has some privacy issues and sends
details of every web site you visit back to Google. That's one step off
spyware.

Yes. I've tried it a couple of times and it does do some dubious things and
takes a bit of hacking out.
Comodo does a version without some of the nasty bits, but it's still in the
early stages. I did see a 'sanitised' version somewhere; there is a
portable version.

Ah, got the wibble:

http://www.comodo.com/home/internet-...ty/browser.php
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

On 6 Mar 2010 19:10:33 GMT, Adrian wrote:

Bruce gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

But which browser to swap to...?

Firefox.

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

Which service(s) did you subscribe to, if any?

These days, it's auto-subscribed by default to EasyList - which works
fine. The localisation is more by language than anything else.


Thanks Adrian. Sorted. ;-)

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:16:08 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Bruce wrote:

On 6 Mar 2010 18:04:21 GMT, wrote:

Get the AdBlockPlus plugin on there, too.

Which service(s) did you subscribe to, if any?
I couldn't find one that appeared suited to the UK.

I moved from the ancient Filterset.G to Easylist-USA, seems fine.


Thanks Andy.

On Mar 6, 7:54*pm, PeterC wrote:
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:07:26 +0100, David in Normandy wrote:
On 06/03/2010 18:50, Lobster wrote:
The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David

I recommend Firefox. You can download several very useful add-ons such
as Adblock Plus, NoScript and Flashblock all of which make browsing
faster, more secure and more pleasant (I hate adverts especially the big
flashy ones).

I'm wary of Chrome. As I understand it has some privacy issues and sends
details of every web site you visit back to Google. That's one step off
spyware.

Yes. I've tried it a couple of times and it does do some dubious things and
takes a bit of hacking out.
Comodo does a version without some of the nasty bits, but it's still in the
early stages. I did see a 'sanitised' version somewhere; there is a
portable version.
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

I use opera 95% of the time, ff 5 and at work its useless IE.
opera because of
personal bar
can right click and search whatever I've installed before, eg screwfix

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:46:14 +0000, Andy Burns
gently dipped his quill in the best
Quink that money could buy:

Mike P the 1st wrote:

Why do i get this loaded onto my system when I tried FF ...
Spyware.infoTrafficZ ?

Did you have any bookmarks in IE for the spywareinfo.com site and allow
FF to import them?

The spywareinfo.com domain used to be a "good guys" site but they
somehow lost the domain and now it's run by "bad guys" ...

Y'know ............... you could be right :-)

I will try again ... thanx

Mike P the 1st

Mike P the 1st wrote:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:46:14 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

The spywareinfo.com domain used to be a "good guys" site but they
somehow lost the domain and now it's run by "bad guys" ...

Y'know ............... you could be right :-)
I will try again ... thanx

Rather than delete the bookmarks, you can try updating them to
www.spywareinfoforum.com

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:23:20 +0000, Andy Burns
gently dipped his quill in the best
Quink that money could buy:

Mike P the 1st wrote:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:46:14 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

The spywareinfo.com domain used to be a "good guys" site but they
somehow lost the domain and now it's run by "bad guys" ...

Y'know ............... you could be right :-)
I will try again ... thanx

Rather than delete the bookmarks, you can try updating them to
www.spywareinfoforum.com

Ok .. done that now

Mike P the 1st

"Mike P the 1st" wrote in
message ...
On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:23:20 +0000, Andy Burns
gently dipped his quill in the best
Quink that money could buy:

Mike P the 1st wrote:

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:46:14 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

The spywareinfo.com domain used to be a "good guys" site but they
somehow lost the domain and now it's run by "bad guys" ...

Y'know ............... you could be right :-)
I will try again ... thanx

Rather than delete the bookmarks, you can try updating them to
www.spywareinfoforum.com

Ok .. done that now

Mike P the 1st

I have just gone over to using Opera. It seems to be pretty fast, certainly
compared to IE6. IE8 just kept bombing my PC and I got fed up of
reformatting ....
FireFox also has some issues but I much prefer Opera
Jim

On Sat, 06 Mar 2010 17:50:30 +0000
Lobster wrote:

The current massive plugging of Google Chrome has reminded me that it's
really time I got round to dumping IE - my only axe to grind is it's
apparent susceptibilty to cyber-attack.

But which browser to swap to...?

Thanks
David


Chrome is fast, but the open source version Chromium is faster (and
less buggy). Firefox with a few add-ons if you are scared of Gogle
spying on you. Both are best under Linux, of course.

R.

PeterC wrote:
[Google Chrome]
Yes. I've tried it a couple of times and it does do some dubious things and
takes a bit of hacking out.
Comodo does a version without some of the nasty bits, but it's still in the
early stages. I did see a 'sanitised' version somewhere; there is a
portable version.

Chromium is the open-source version of Chrome supposedly without the
Google-phoning-home stuff. I haven't tried it.

Theo

I'm happy with Firefox, but I do keep getting annoyed by the resource
issue.

I tend to leave the basic internet machine on 24/7 and open tabs and
leave them open because I'm still working on whatever it was. Currently
I seem to have 47 tabs open.

To get ram usage back down from the 2.15 gigs to the 'ticking over' 1.0
gigs, I'll just close FF and reopen. But should I have to do this?
--
Bill

In message ,
the_constructor wrote
I have just gone over to using Opera. It seems to be pretty fast, certainly
compared to IE6. IE8 just kept bombing my PC and I got fed up of
reformatting ....
FireFox also has some issues but I much prefer Opera

I was running Opera for years until the late Version9/Early version 10
when they completely lost the plot and on my computer, running Windows
XP, it froze on a regular basis.

I changed to Firefox and find it OK.

--
Alan$
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:08:14 +0000 Alan wrote :
I was running Opera for years until the late Version9/Early version 10
when they completely lost the plot and on my computer, running Windows
XP, it froze on a regular basis.

I changed to Firefox and find it OK.

I'm running Opera 10.10 on my Windows 7-64 box and it runs just fine. For
a few sites I have to use Firefox, reverting to IE only when really
necessary.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on' Melbourne, Australia
www.superbeam.co.uk www.superbeam.com www.greentram.com

Tony Bryer wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:08:14 +0000 Alan wrote :
I was running Opera for years until the late Version9/Early version 10
when they completely lost the plot and on my computer, running Windows
XP, it froze on a regular basis.

I changed to Firefox and find it OK.

I'm running Opera 10.10 on my Windows 7-64 box and it runs just fine. For
a few sites I have to use Firefox, reverting to IE only when really
necessary.

Thanks for all the replies: looks like Firefox wins by a long margin!

So, as someone who's only ever used IE in anger, how often is it
'necessary' to revert to it FF fails to work? I presume it's advisable
to keep IE installed but set the default browser as FF, and only use IE
when 'necessary' - is that a pain (in other words, if I change the
family PC to FF, am I going to get grief from SWMBO et al who of course
see no problem with using IE in the first place...?)

David

On 3/7/2010 9:39 AM, Lobster wrote:

So, as someone who's only ever used IE in anger, how often is it
'necessary' to revert to it FF fails to work? I presume it's advisable
to keep IE installed but set the default browser as FF, and only use IE
when 'necessary' - is that a pain (in other words, if I change the
family PC to FF, am I going to get grief from SWMBO et al who of course
see no problem with using IE in the first place...?)


I rarely need to switch from FireFox to IE - the last time, was when
trying to use the Highland Council website.
And I _really_ like the add-ons!

On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 21:52:40 +1100, Tony Bryer wrote:

On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:08:14 +0000 Alan wrote :
I was running Opera for years until the late Version9/Early version 10
when they completely lost the plot and on my computer, running Windows
XP, it froze on a regular basis.

I changed to Firefox and find it OK.

I'm running Opera 10.10 on my Windows 7-64 box and it runs just fine. For
a few sites I have to use Firefox, reverting to IE only when really
necessary.

FF for 'emergencies'; Opera 10.10 currently; slowly changing over to Opera
10.50 (I have Opera so highly modified that it takes some time to get
everything right).

IE is blocked by the firewall - that thing's not allowed out.
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 12:04:30 -0800 (PST), misterroy wrote:

I use opera 95% of the time, ff 5 and at work its useless IE.
opera because of
personal bar
can right click and search whatever I've installed before, eg screwfix

I've set sf for Screwfix, ts for - guess what, etc., so 2 or 3 letters in
the address bar, hit Enter and there's the site.

FF is set up to be as like Opera as possible - most of it works but a bit
sluggishly.
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

On 07 Mar 2010 00:27:28 +0000 (GMT), Theo Markettos wrote:

PeterC wrote:
[Google Chrome]
Yes. I've tried it a couple of times and it does do some dubious things and
takes a bit of hacking out.
Comodo does a version without some of the nasty bits, but it's still in the
early stages. I did see a 'sanitised' version somewhere; there is a
portable version.

Chromium is the open-source version of Chrome supposedly without the
Google-phoning-home stuff. I haven't tried it.

Theo

That's the one!
--
Peter.
2x4 - thick plank; 4x4 - two of 'em.

Lobster gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

So, as someone who's only ever used IE in anger, how often is it
'necessary' to revert to it FF fails to work?

Not so much FF failing to work, but encountering sites where the
designers have failed to account for browsers other than IE. And, these
days, that's very rarely. The odd site might "look a bit funny", but
usually you wouldn't know unless you looked at 'em back to back. Even
they're getting scarce - designers have realised that there's a lot of
people turning away from IE.

If you/your missus uses Outlook Web Access to get to your work email,
you'll find that works a lot better in IE - odd, that - but works fine in
FF and others, too. Even Microsoft have realised the world is not a
monopoly.

Some online banking sites - RBS, for one - resolutely refuse to play with
anything but IE. Can't see that lasting much longer, though.

Others - FD, for one - are fine in FF.

I presume it's advisable to keep IE installed

If you're on Windows, you have no choice.

(in other words, if I change the family PC to FF, am I going to get
grief from SWMBO et al who of course see no problem with using IE in
the first place...?)

Just tell her it's a new version of IE.

Adrian wrote:
Lobster gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

So, as someone who's only ever used IE in anger, how often is it
'necessary' to revert to it FF fails to work?

Not so much FF failing to work, but encountering sites where the
designers have failed to account for browsers other than IE.

OK, but in SWMBO-speak, that's the same thing...

If you/your missus uses Outlook Web Access to get to your work email,
you'll find that works a lot better in IE - odd, that - but works fine in
FF and others, too. Even Microsoft have realised the world is not a
monopoly.

The plot thickens - yes, *she* does use OWA :-(

Some online banking sites - RBS, for one - resolutely refuse to play with
anything but IE. Can't see that lasting much longer, though.

....and in fact we are both regular RBS online users :-(

Just tell her it's a new version of IE.

I like it...!

David

Lobster gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

So, as someone who's only ever used IE in anger, how often is it
'necessary' to revert to it FF fails to work?

Not so much FF failing to work, but encountering sites where the
designers have failed to account for browsers other than IE.

OK, but in SWMBO-speak, that's the same thing...

sigh
IKWYM.

If you/your missus uses Outlook Web Access to get to your work email,
you'll find that works a lot better in IE - odd, that - but works fine
in FF and others, too. Even Microsoft have realised the world is not a
monopoly.

The plot thickens - yes, *she* does use OWA :-(

Some online banking sites - RBS, for one - resolutely refuse to play
with anything but IE. Can't see that lasting much longer, though.

...and in fact we are both regular RBS online users :-(

There's always the IE Tab plugin - uses IE to render pages within a tab
in FF - and can, IIRC, be set to do so automagically for certain domain
names.
quick google The original IE Tab seems to have stagnated, since the
original dev has apparently moved to Linux, but there appears to be a
fork - "Coral IE Tab" - which is live, as well as another plugin - IE
View.