Apologies for TOT - am hopeful someone may be able to point me to some
"facts" amongst the usual plethora of "solutions" I'm wading thru on
that t'interweb thing...

Summary:
Plus Net broadband,via Thomson Wireless Router/DSL box.
XP Home SP2 on desktop, XP Home SP3 on EEE notebook,

Both can access internet, emails etc no bother.

Managed to nearly set up a wireless network between two for file and
print sharing - network is visible, each computer can see the other
(ping OK, and seeing each other in XP too)

BUT

File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

Cheers
JimK

On 22/01/2010 19:37, JimK wrote:
Managed to nearly set up a wireless network between two for file and
print sharing - network is visible, each computer can see the other
(ping OK, and seeing each other in XP too)

BUT

File/folder sharing is always denied?!


SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

--
Adrian C

On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian C wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

cheers
JimK

On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

Control panel | Network Connections.

Right click on the wireless connection and choose properties. General
tab, make sure both "Client for Microsoft Networks", and "File and
Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are installed. If not use the
install button to add them.

yup - both installed on each computer


You can also run the network setup wizard to ensure the varius required
buts are installed and the windows firewall has the relevant exceptions
added.

windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...

cheers
JimK

"JimK" wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

Control panel | Network Connections.

Right click on the wireless connection and choose properties. General
tab, make sure both "Client for Microsoft Networks", and "File and
Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are installed. If not use the
install button to add them.

yup - both installed on each computer


You can also run the network setup wizard to ensure the varius required
buts are installed and the windows firewall has the relevant exceptions
added.

windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...

cheers
JimK

Have had Norton do this to me and was only on one of the machines at that.
Could not see any way reconfigure it so uninstalled everything fine then

Tony

On Jan 22, 10:04 pm, "TMC" wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message

...



On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

Control panel | Network Connections.

Right click on the wireless connection and choose properties. General
tab, make sure both "Client for Microsoft Networks", and "File and
Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are installed. If not use the
install button to add them.

yup - both installed on each computer

You can also run the network setup wizard to ensure the varius required
buts are installed and the windows firewall has the relevant exceptions
added.

windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...

cheers
JimK

Have had Norton do this to me and was only on one of the machines at that.
Could not see any way reconfigure it so uninstalled everything fine then

Tony

yes, I suspected the Zonealarm firewall so switched it off on both m/
cs to check what happened - no difference sadly!

Cheers
JimK

JimK wrote:
Apologies for TOT - am hopeful someone may be able to point me to some
"facts" amongst the usual plethora of "solutions" I'm wading thru on
that t'interweb thing...

Summary:
Plus Net broadband,via Thomson Wireless Router/DSL box.
XP Home SP2 on desktop, XP Home SP3 on EEE notebook,

Both can access internet, emails etc no bother.

Managed to nearly set up a wireless network between two for file and
print sharing - network is visible, each computer can see the other
(ping OK, and seeing each other in XP too)

BUT

File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

turn off ****ing windows firewall.

Cheers
JimK

dave wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:15:45 -0800 (PST), JimK
wrote:

On Jan 22, 10:04 pm, "TMC" wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message

...



On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
File/folder sharing is always denied?!
May well be wide of the mark here but afaik there are two flavours of
networking in Windows. Workgroups and Client Server (i.e. a real
network). I guess you are after setting up a Workgroups config rather
that a client server. There's a lot on doing this on google but I
think the main snag is that the Windows file access system (a total
PITA) comes into it. i.e. the networking aspects *and* the host file
permissions have to be correct to make this lot work.


Hi,
As a starter run wireshark on both machines to see where the problems is
http://www.wireshark.org/

On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)


Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow users
to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system folder
that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for instance.
You are not trying to do that, by any chance? - Anyway, the last pane at
the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should indicate the reason
for disabling both selections.

--
Adrian C

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

turn off ****ing windows firewall.

Too many words.

turn off ****ing windows

Better.

Steve Firth wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

turn off ****ing windows firewall.

Too many words.

turn off ****ing windows

Better.
Indeed, but I suspected that was probably beyond the remit.

"JimK" wrote in message
...
On Jan 22, 10:04 pm, "TMC" wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message

...



On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on
a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my
head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

Control panel | Network Connections.

Right click on the wireless connection and choose properties. General
tab, make sure both "Client for Microsoft Networks", and "File and
Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are installed. If not use the
install button to add them.

yup - both installed on each computer

You can also run the network setup wizard to ensure the varius
required
buts are installed and the windows firewall has the relevant
exceptions
added.

windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...

cheers
JimK

Have had Norton do this to me and was only on one of the machines at
that.
Could not see any way reconfigure it so uninstalled everything fine then

Tony

yes, I suspected the Zonealarm firewall so switched it off on both m/
cs to check what happened - no difference sadly!

Cheers
JimK

I had to uninstall Norton to resolve the problem, turning it off did not do
the job

Tony

"JimK" wrote in message
...

windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...

Turn zonealarm off and see if it then works, report back.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
JimK wrote:
Apologies for TOT - am hopeful someone may be able to point me to some
"facts" amongst the usual plethora of "solutions" I'm wading thru on
that t'interweb thing...

Summary:
Plus Net broadband,via Thomson Wireless Router/DSL box.
XP Home SP2 on desktop, XP Home SP3 on EEE notebook,

Both can access internet, emails etc no bother.

Managed to nearly set up a wireless network between two for file and
print sharing - network is visible, each computer can see the other
(ping OK, and seeing each other in XP too)

BUT

File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

turn off ****ing windows firewall.

Cheers
JimK

Comodo seems more user friendly than Zone Alarm.

Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)


Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow users
to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system folder
that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for instance.
You are not trying to do that, by any chance? - Anyway, the last pane at
the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should indicate the reason
for disabling both selections.


Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.

Win xp on both machines...
Thanks
Adrian

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Adrian Brentnall wrote:


Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's
warm!) - but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program
Files' folder.
Two possibilities . . .
1. If it insists on storing its data in its installation directory/folder,
you may be able to install it somewhere else, where sharing isn't
restricted. If you remove the program and then re-install it, is there an
'Advanced' or somesuch option, which allows you to specify where to install
it? If so, create an installation folder for it, *not* in Program Files, and
install it there.
2. If that doesn't work, there is probably a Registry key which points to
where the data is stored. If you change that to point to a folder of your
choice, you should be able to share it and access it remotely.

Any program which doesn't give you any choice about (a) where to install it
and (b) where its data is stored is very badly behaved in my view!
--
Cheers,
Roger
______
Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!

Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates
up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)


Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow
users to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system
folder that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for
instance. You are not trying to do that, by any chance? - Anyway, the
last pane at the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should
indicate the reason for disabling both selections.


Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.


Ah..Now on Unix, to escape this sort of issue, we used to put a link
from an exportable directory to the files in question.

Not sure how windows networking works, but try that as a first stab
anyway - i.e. make a link in somewhere you CAN export pointing at the
file you want to export.

IIRC a link is called a 'shortcut' in Micro****Spik.


Win xp on both machines...
Thanks
Adrian

On Jan 22, 11:23 pm, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
JimK wrote:
Apologies for TOT - am hopeful someone may be able to point me to some
"facts" amongst the usual plethora of "solutions" I'm wading thru on
that t'interweb thing...

Summary:
Plus Net broadband,via Thomson Wireless Router/DSL box.
XP Home SP2 on desktop, XP Home SP3 on EEE notebook,

Both can access internet, emails etc no bother.

Managed to nearly set up a wireless network between two for file and
print sharing - network is visible, each computer can see the other
(ping OK, and seeing each other in XP too)

BUT

File/folder sharing is always denied?!

When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??

Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...

Any pointers please?

turn off ****ing windows firewall.

Cheers
JimK

already off - see rest of thread..

JimK

On Jan 23, 8:18 am, "dennis@home"
wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message

...

windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...

Turn zonealarm off and see if it then works, report back.

already done (see thread) no difference...

JimK

On 23 Jan, 09:18, Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian *wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)

Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow users
to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system folder
that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for instance.
You are not trying to do that, by any chance? - Anyway, the last pane at
the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should indicate the reason
for disabling both selections.

Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.

Win xp on both machines...
Thanks
Adrian

Create a batch file to copy the files from program files to somewhere
in My docs that you can access, and use a scheduler to run it every
whatever minutes?
Al

On Jan 22, 11:42 pm, Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:

On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)

ah now you tell me ! - oh well.........



Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow users
to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system folder
that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for instance.
You are not trying to do that, by any chance? -

no trying to share a user directory (my docs)

Anyway, the last pane at
the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should indicate the reason
for disabling both selections.

interesting - on the eee (i.e. now) the bottom of the sharing tab just
has a "i" icon (presume helpful info should appear here - but
nothing....)

JimK

On Jan 22, 11:28 pm, James Salisbury nntp.dsl.pipex.com wrote:
dave wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:15:45 -0800 (PST), JimK
wrote:

On Jan 22, 10:04 pm, "TMC" wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message

...

On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
File/folder sharing is always denied?!
May well be wide of the mark here but afaik there are two flavours of
networking in Windows. Workgroups and Client Server (i.e. a real
network). I guess you are after setting up a Workgroups config rather
that a client server. There's a lot on doing this on google but I
think the main snag is that the Windows file access system (a total
PITA) comes into it. i.e. the networking aspects *and* the host file
permissions have to be correct to make this lot work.

Hi,
As a starter run wireshark on both machines to see where the problems is
http://www.wireshark.org/

OK downloaded this and straightaway it can't intercept packets off the
eee's wireless adaptor?

"The capture session could not be initiated (failed to set hardware
filter to promiscuous mode)" etc

is it straightforward to get working?
Without a possibly huge investment of time I'm wondering what this
will add (once working)?? Can you elaborate a bit please? i.e. is it
worth it?

Cheers
JimK

In article ,
Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.

Not an expert by any means, but my DIY car engine management software does
this too if left to its own devices. However, if you do a manual save
(save as) to a directory of your choice it then uses that.

--
*Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2010-01-23, Adrian Brentnall wrote:

Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g

Run a real operating system that does what *you* want?

Nice thought, but for most all the latest media type readers, plug ins and
add ons etc appear on Windose first, so you'll likely need it anyway.
So fine if you're happy with two operating systems.

--
*Too many clicks spoil the browse *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 23/01/2010 10:11, JimK wrote:
On Jan 23, 8:18 am,
wrote:
wrote in message

...

windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...

Turn zonealarm off and see if it then works, report back.

already done (see thread) no difference...

JimK


I had no end of problems networking whilst ZoneAlarm was installed, and
it required a complete removal (including the use of their 'Clean-up'
tool) before file & printer sharing was fully restored. It may depend on
the version of ZA you are using, as I believe not all flavours were as
problematic as some. However, I cannot recall now which versions did
what to whom and where.

hth

Roger Mills wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Adrian Brentnall wrote:

Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's
warm!) - but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program
Files' folder.
Two possibilities . . .
1. If it insists on storing its data in its installation directory/folder,
you may be able to install it somewhere else, where sharing isn't
restricted. If you remove the program and then re-install it, is there an
'Advanced' or somesuch option, which allows you to specify where to install
it? If so, create an installation folder for it, *not* in Program Files, and
install it there.
2. If that doesn't work, there is probably a Registry key which points to
where the data is stored. If you change that to point to a folder of your
choice, you should be able to share it and access it remotely.

Any program which doesn't give you any choice about (a) where to install it
and (b) where its data is stored is very badly behaved in my view!

Both good thoughts - I believe there's a new version of the s/w that
will be a little more flexible about what it stores & where -
must find a few minutes to download it & see....

Thanks

On Jan 23, 10:05 am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates
up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)

Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow
users to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system
folder that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for
instance. You are not trying to do that, by any chance? - Anyway, the
last pane at the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should
indicate the reason for disabling both selections.

Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.

Ah..Now on Unix, to escape this sort of issue, we used to put a link
from an exportable directory to the files in question.

Not sure how windows networking works, but try that as a first stab
anyway - i.e. make a link in somewhere you CAN export pointing at the
file you want to export.


Hat off to you NP -
I finally discovered that the "Shared Documents" folder can indeed be
shared and seen/interacted with by remote m/c, one Shortcut added in
that folder et voila! access to the other folders it wouldn't let
anyone (on a networked m/c) access before!!!

How good/**** is that!!??

I never once saw this "Shared Docs" folder mentioned in any of the
"solution" ****e I was wading thru online prior to this thread..

Result! Very many thanks - you may claim your £5 anon

JimK

On Jan 23, 5:00 pm, JimK wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:05 am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates
up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)

Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow
users to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system
folder that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for
instance. You are not trying to do that, by any chance? - Anyway, the
last pane at the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should
indicate the reason for disabling both selections.

Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.

Ah..Now on Unix, to escape this sort of issue, we used to put a link
from an exportable directory to the files in question.

Not sure how windows networking works, but try that as a first stab
anyway - i.e. make a link in somewhere you CAN export pointing at the
file you want to export.

Hat off to you NP -
I finally discovered that the "Shared Documents" folder can indeed be
shared and seen/interacted with by remote m/c, one Shortcut added in
that folder et voila! access to the other folders it wouldn't let
anyone (on a networked m/c) access before!!!


removes foot from gob - er.... no it doesn;t clicking on the
Shortcut takes me to the "My documents" folder of the local
machine.....not the distant one.... curses

Any further thoughts anyone?
I can now share the Shared Docs folders & contents on each m/c with
each other m/c but would ideally like to share files from their
"proper" pre-ordained location - rather than move them around all the
time.....

JimK

JimK wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:00 pm, JimK wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:05 am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:
SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.
the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on both...
http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm
BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows updates
up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.
OK I'll update it
Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)
Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.
The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and "allow
users to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a system
folder that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files' for
instance. You are not trying to do that, by any chance? - Anyway, the
last pane at the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab should
indicate the reason for disabling both selections.
Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.
Ah..Now on Unix, to escape this sort of issue, we used to put a link
from an exportable directory to the files in question.
Not sure how windows networking works, but try that as a first stab
anyway - i.e. make a link in somewhere you CAN export pointing at the
file you want to export.
Hat off to you NP -
I finally discovered that the "Shared Documents" folder can indeed be
shared and seen/interacted with by remote m/c, one Shortcut added in
that folder et voila! access to the other folders it wouldn't let
anyone (on a networked m/c) access before!!!


removes foot from gob - er.... no it doesn;t clicking on the
Shortcut takes me to the "My documents" folder of the local
machine.....not the distant one.... curses


eh? is the link on the distant machine, or the local one?

It SHOULD work if you do it on the distant one..

Any further thoughts anyone?
I can now share the Shared Docs folders & contents on each m/c with
each other m/c but would ideally like to share files from their
"proper" pre-ordained location - rather than move them around all the
time.....

May be a way..surely..you can 'export' a specific folder?

on the remote machine, right click teh directory you want an look under
'properties

I think yiou can then do something to export (share) it, provided its
all networked


JimK

Adrian Brentnall wrote:

Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files' folder.

Win xp on both machines...

Use FreeVNC to remotely view the other desktop. PoP

In article
,
JimK wrote:
I can now share the Shared Docs folders & contents on each m/c with
each other m/c but would ideally like to share files from their
"proper" pre-ordained location - rather than move them around all the
time.....

Think you need a 'better' version of XP for this. It might be possible to
upgrade cheaply now that 7 is out.

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JimK wrote:
On Jan 23, 5:00 pm, JimK wrote:
On Jan 23, 10:05 am, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:



Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Adrian C wrote:
On 22/01/2010 19:54, JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, Adrian wrote:

SP2 firewall is blocking the sharing.

the windows firewall is disabled tho? am using zonealarm on
both...

http://ecross.mvps.org/howto/firewall.htm

BTW, you should be doing the most to make sure all windows
updates
up to
current are installed. SP2 is ancient for your desktop.

OK I'll update it

Perhaps, though later when all this is sorted ;-)

Just been to look at a 'Windows XP Home' machine.

The only time I get both the "share folder on network" and
"allow
users to change files" grayed out, is when I attempt to share a
system
folder that windows doesn't want to share, like 'Program Files'
for
instance. You are not trying to do that, by any chance? -
Anyway, the
last pane at the bottom of the "sharing and security" tab
should
indicate the reason for disabling both selections.

Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
The 'outside' machine here runs the weather station software -
which insists on storing its data under Program Files. It'd be
nice to
be able to access this data from _inside_ the house (where it's
warm!) -
but the outside machine won't let me into its 'Program Files'
folder.

Ah..Now on Unix, to escape this sort of issue, we used to put a
link
from an exportable directory to the files in question.

Not sure how windows networking works, but try that as a first
stab
anyway - i.e. make a link in somewhere you CAN export pointing at
the
file you want to export.

Hat off to you NP -
I finally discovered that the "Shared Documents" folder can indeed
be
shared and seen/interacted with by remote m/c, one Shortcut added in
that folder et voila! access to the other folders it wouldn't let
anyone (on a networked m/c) access before!!!


removes foot from gob - er.... no it doesn;t clicking on the
Shortcut takes me to the "My documents" folder of the local
machine.....not the distant one.... curses

Any further thoughts anyone?
I can now share the Shared Docs folders & contents on each m/c with
each other m/c but would ideally like to share files from their
"proper" pre-ordained location - rather than move them around all the
time.....

JimK

If you have administrator access (I.e. A username and password for an
account on the PC with full admin rights) then you should be able to
access *anything* over the network by using the system share for the
drive. To do this, on the remote machine use the patth:

\\ip address\c$\program files

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Richard Conway wrote:


If you have administrator access (I.e. A username and password for an
account on the PC with full admin rights) then you should be able to
access *anything* over the network by using the system share for the
drive. To do this, on the remote machine use the patth:

\\ip address\c$\program files


What is the significance of the $ - or did you mean to type a colon?
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On 24/01/2010 10:42, Roger Mills wrote:
In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Richard wrote:


If you have administrator access (I.e. A username and password for an
account on the PC with full admin rights) then you should be able to
access *anything* over the network by using the system share for the
drive. To do this, on the remote machine use the patth:

\\ip address\c$\program files


What is the significance of the $ - or did you mean to type a colon?

It is the administrative share for the C drive - not a typo. If you have
sufficient permissions, you can access it (the drive and anything on it)
using that way of identifying the drive - without needing to know or
care about any actual share names that may or may not exist.

--
Rod

Roger Mills wrote:

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Richard wrote:

\\ip address\c$\program files

What is the significance of the $ - or did you mean to type a colon?

The dollar indicates an administrative share that is automatically
created (unless turned off by registry setting) it allows *only*
administrators of the remote machine to access all its drives without
requiring individual shares to be manually created for them, so that

\\machine\c$\xxx

is the same as C:\xxx locally on the machine.

Note that some versions of windows don't accept the

\\ip.ad.dr.es\share\path

notation, they will only respond if you use their actual machine name
instead of the ip address or an alias (again unless configured in the
registry).

On Jan 24, 1:19 am, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
On Jan 22, 10:04 pm, "TMC" wrote:
"JimK" wrote in message

...

On Jan 22, 7:44 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
File/folder sharing is always denied?!
When trying to share folders (from either computer) - rightclick on a
folder, "sharing and security", the "share folder on network" and
"allow users to change files" checkboxes are greyed out??
Suspect this is down to NTFS file permissions but now banging my head
how to to proceed...
Any pointers please?
Control panel | Network Connections.
Right click on the wireless connection and choose properties. General
tab, make sure both "Client for Microsoft Networks", and "File and
Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" are installed. If not use the
install button to add them.
yup - both installed on each computer
You can also run the network setup wizard to ensure the varius required
buts are installed and the windows firewall has the relevant exceptions
added.
windows firewall is disabled - am using zonealarm on each...
cheers
JimK
Have had Norton do this to me and was only on one of the machines at that.
Could not see any way reconfigure it so uninstalled everything fine then

Tony

yes, I suspected the Zonealarm firewall so switched it off on both m/
cs to check what happened - no difference sadly!

ok, a couple more things to check. I can certainly share program files
on my XP systems, and I don't think it is a restriction explicitly
introduced into Home (I run a mixture of Pro and Media centre).

For experimentation, I would actually uninstall ZA - it gets a very
effective lock on its files and the directories containing them. That
may be enough to impose restrictions on the Program Files folder
(assuming that is where it is installed).

OK both ZAs uninstalled (without internet access!) same problems..

Then on an open window, open Folder Options from the Tools Menu. Click
the View tab, and ensure that:

Hide protected operating system files is unchecked
Use simple file sharing is unchecked (if you have the option in Home)

No option...

I also usually uncheck Hide extensions for known file types (a dangerous
default!)
and check display full path in title bar to ease navigation.

Finally I would ensure both machines are running SP3 - in case this is a
glitch in SP2.

yup both on SP3

Both can still see each other, still see the shares in both directions
but still only the "Shared Documents" folders are truly shared.
Other folders can now be set to Shared on their host m/c's (that in
itself is a minor improvement) BUT these folders cannot be accessed by
the remote m/c.....

bah
JimK!

Huge wrote:
On 2010-01-23, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2010-01-23, Adrian Brentnall wrote:
Is there any way round that particular annoyance ? g
Run a real operating system that does what *you* want?
Nice thought, but for most all the latest media type readers, plug ins and
add ons etc appear on Windose first, so you'll likely need it anyway.
So fine if you're happy with two operating systems.

I run all the untrustworthy stuff in VMs under Linux, so get the best
of both worlds.


same here.

Linux does 50% of what I need far far better than anything else,
including a Mac..and the other 50% goes in virtual XP. Which of course
needs rebooting every time I need to do anything with it. But that's XP.

Essentially the only programs running on XP are two CAD and one bitmap
program, and IE6 which I need to ensure that websites actually work with
broken browser designs.

On Jan 24, 6:53 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
For experimentation, I would actually uninstall ZA - it gets a very
effective lock on its files and the directories containing them. That
may be enough to impose restrictions on the Program Files folder
(assuming that is where it is installed).

OK both ZAs uninstalled (without internet access!) same problems..

If your internet access is via NAT router, then you are not adding that
much risk without a software firewall.


mmm er how would I know if i've got a NAT router...

Have you got the guest account enabled on both machines (required for a
network login if the users on each network machine are not using the
same username and credentials)?


er well I didn't but just have and no difference....
(NB bit (more) confused :)( if guest ac's are required, how come the
shared "Shared Docs" folders work like I want them to without guest
ac's being enabled?)

PS switched to COMODO firewalls now...

Cheers
Jim

JimK wrote:
On Jan 24, 6:53 pm, John Rumm wrote:
JimK wrote:
For experimentation, I would actually uninstall ZA - it gets a very
effective lock on its files and the directories containing them. That
may be enough to impose restrictions on the Program Files folder
(assuming that is where it is installed).
OK both ZAs uninstalled (without internet access!) same problems..
If your internet access is via NAT router, then you are not adding that
much risk without a software firewall.


mmm er how would I know if i've got a NAT router...

If you have a router at all, its a NAT router.

If you have more than one machine that can access the internet, and you
didn't set up a public block of IP addresses and build a custom
firewall, you have a NAT router.


Have you got the guest account enabled on both machines (required for a
network login if the users on each network machine are not using the
same username and credentials)?


er well I didn't but just have and no difference....
(NB bit (more) confused :)( if guest ac's are required, how come the
shared "Shared Docs" folders work like I want them to without guest
ac's being enabled?)

PS switched to COMODO firewalls now...


Seriously, if you can control all the machines behind the router on your
local network switch of ALL firewalls till you get this working.

The risk is minimal

Cheers
Jim