We are going to replace the carpet in our hall stairs and landing which
are a fairly large area.

Existing carpet is hessian? backed on Uniroyal Tredaire Oben underlay
which to my untutored eyes looks to be in good condition.

I suspect most of the carpet retailers make most of their profits out of
underlay. Anyone knowledgeable about the need to replace underlay?

TIA for any advice.

In article ,
Invisible Man wrote:
We are going to replace the carpet in our hall stairs and landing which
are a fairly large area.

Existing carpet is hessian? backed on Uniroyal Tredaire Oben underlay
which to my untutored eyes looks to be in good condition.

I suspect most of the carpet retailers make most of their profits out of
underlay. Anyone knowledgeable about the need to replace underlay?

TIA for any advice.

My experience with decent carpets is that Tredair type underlay expires
long before the carpet is worn out. Especially in heavily used areas.
I've just re-done the hall and stairs with Cloud 9 (same carpet) and it
seems great. Only time will tell if it lasts.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:17:21 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Invisible Man wrote:
We are going to replace the carpet in our hall stairs and landing which
are a fairly large area.

Existing carpet is hessian? backed on Uniroyal Tredaire Oben underlay
which to my untutored eyes looks to be in good condition.

I suspect most of the carpet retailers make most of their profits out of
underlay. Anyone knowledgeable about the need to replace underlay?

TIA for any advice.

My experience with decent carpets is that Tredair type underlay expires
long before the carpet is worn out. Especially in heavily used areas.
I've just re-done the hall and stairs with Cloud 9 (same carpet) and it
seems great. Only time will tell if it lasts.

We just used Blue Heaven, same makers as Cloud 9 but with a "silent"
backing. Tredair products are good for lining the rabbit's hutch.

My experience with decent carpets is that Tredair type underlay expires
long before the carpet is worn out. Especially in heavily used areas.
I've just re-done the hall and stairs with Cloud 9 (same carpet) and it
seems great. Only time will tell if it lasts.

I was going to go with Cloud 9, but the vendors' site also had a
"what's best" page which suggests Tredaire Dreamwalk 11mm - it's a
foam just like Cloud 9, and sod all price difference, so we went with
that.

It seems pretty good so far (only laid a few weeks ago) - everyone
who's been to the house since has commented on how nice it is (i've
forgotten what carpet felt like so i'm not the best judge atm).

"Colin Wilson" wrote


I was going to go with Cloud 9, but the vendors' site also had a
"what's best" page which suggests Tredaire Dreamwalk 11mm - it's a
foam just like Cloud 9, and sod all price difference, so we went with
that.

It seems pretty good so far (only laid a few weeks ago) - everyone
who's been to the house since has commented on how nice it is (i've
forgotten what carpet felt like so i'm not the best judge atm).

We had some 11mm Cloud 9 in the dining room, but it was just too thick and
spongy.
Furniture disappears in the stuff, causes horrendous indentations and it
feels just too much like walking across a matress!

Phil

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TheScullster wrote:
We had some 11mm Cloud 9 in the dining room, but it was just too thick
and spongy. Furniture disappears in the stuff, causes horrendous
indentations and it feels just too much like walking across a matress!

I can see that. But it's great on the stairs.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:01:48 +0100, TheScullster wrote:

We had some 11mm Cloud 9 in the dining room, but it was just too thick
and spongy. Furniture disappears in the stuff, causes horrendous
indentations and it feels just too much like walking across a matress!

11mm is to thick for a living/dining/used room, it's intended for
bedrooms and the like. 9mm would have been better or maybe as thin as
7mm but it does depend on the carpet as well.

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Cheers
Dave.

We had some 11mm Cloud 9 in the dining room, but it was just too thick
and spongy. Furniture disappears in the stuff, causes horrendous
indentations and it feels just too much like walking across a matress!

Yeah, kinda know what you mean there...

11mm is to thick for a living/dining/used room, it's intended for
bedrooms and the like. 9mm would have been better or maybe as thin as
7mm but it does depend on the carpet as well.

Ours is only going to be for the upstairs (2 bedrooms, stairs and
landing)

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:18:50 +0100, Invisible Man
wrote:

We are going to replace the carpet in our hall stairs and landing which
are a fairly large area.

Existing carpet is hessian? backed on Uniroyal Tredaire Oben underlay
which to my untutored eyes looks to be in good condition.

I suspect most of the carpet retailers make most of their profits out of
underlay. Anyone knowledgeable about the need to replace underlay?

TIA for any advice.

Underlay usually reveals its condition on examination.

The foam stuff turns to dust. Tredaire has a very long life. If it
looks and feels ok, go with whatever gut feeling you have.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:36:51 GMT, wrote:

Underlay usually reveals its condition on examination.

Aye. I'd replace any rubber based underlay when replacing carpet.
It's cheap enough, a whole roll of underlay is just a couple of
square meters of decent carpet. And the life of the carpet is highly
dependant on the underlay.

The foam stuff turns to dust.

By "foam stuff" I take it you mean the rubber based foam/crumb
underlays rather than the more recent polyurethane foam based
underlays.

The rubber based things turn to dust in 10 years or less, particulary
in areas carrying any sort of traffic. Like halls and stairs.

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Cheers
Dave.

Other benefits...
Tog rating - foam stuff tends to have quite a high figure which can
help comfort on uninsulated floors (concrete or wood variety).

Floorboard gaps - ripper/crumb rubber disintegrate quickly, foam might
be more tolerant.

Door clearance - 11mm will expose any doors that need the bottom
trimming, so back off any suspect hinge screws in advance :-)


The bounciness soon fades, it just feels "softer on joints" after a
few weeks. Furniture does wobble on 11mm, which might make things
irritating if say a desk or table with touch sensitive equipment on it
(you'll be poking and fighting the underlay).