Switch off at the socket?
There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy
due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. |
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On Sep 14, 10:43*pm, "alexander.keys1"
wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. NT |
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On Sep 14, 2:43*pm, "alexander.keys1"
wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. Use a rubber-tipped stick and you don't need to bend over. (For the elderly and light-haeded) |
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..com, NT writes There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. Have you ever driven through most towns late at night, the shops are lit up like Blackpool illuminations, and they want us to switch off at the power socket. Mike -- Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners. Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians. Yorkshire Halvard Lange |
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"NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 14, 10:43 pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. I think it depends on how old the appliance is. For example our old CRT Sony television was using almost the same power on standby as it was when turned on. The new LCD HD one uses just 1 watt on standby. |
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On Sep 14, 11:27*pm, SeaWoe wrote:
On Sep 14, 2:43*pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. Use a rubber-tipped stick and you don't need to bend over. (For the elderly and light-haeded) I tend to use my foot to turn off switches. Energy efficient, saves bending over and it keeps my big toe in shape! Mike Hall |
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:19:15 +0100, Ian wrote:
I think it depends on how old the appliance is. For example our old CRT Sony television was using almost the same power on standby as it was when turned on. The new LCD HD one uses just 1 watt on standby. Interesting is our 18 month old Hotpoiunt washing machine. When it finishes a wash, it stops and just leaves a power light on. Our old Hotpoint used nothing more than the mains neon; the new 'electronic' one uses (allegedly) 10 watts... -- Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org |
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"alexander.keys1" wrote in message ... There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! wow, never knew that! try reading the messages posted and do try to keep up. None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. |
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On 15 Sep, 00:19, "Ian" wrote:
"NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 14, 10:43 pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. I think it depends on how old the appliance is. For example our old CRT Sony television was using almost the same power on standby as it was when turned on. The new LCD HD one uses just 1 watt on standby. All my TVs go on standby when not in use, except one. In my main room, next to the plasma and a bit further down, is an old 26" Ferguson 4:3 TV. I only really use it when snooker's on so it sits there quite often on mute so I watch TV on the plasma and keep an eye on the snooker occasionally. However, the snooker's not often on, so there's no point it being on most of the time. Also, when in standby it just comes back on a minute or so later for no particular reason so off it goes properly. It's amazing that some people go, "Ooh, I'm so green that I unplug all of my TVs, PC, Sky- whatever" but if you ask them to unplug their fridge and freezer and nooooooooooooooooooo, they won't. Green, my arse! |
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT), "alexander.keys1"
wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. They can't switch the power stations off overnight, so they may as well power the 1W my TV takes to be in standby. -- Andrew, contact via http://interpleb.googlepages.com Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards, please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text. Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question. |
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"alexander.keys1" wrote in message ... There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. switch off and waste that warranty...na. |
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On 14 Sep, 23:30, Mike Swift wrote:
In article .com, NT writes There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. Have you ever driven through most towns late at night, the shops are lit up like Blackpool illuminations, and they want us to switch off at the power socket. I wonder what the residents of Blackpool use as a comparative reference when they want to comment on levels of illumination? -- Halmyre |
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alexander.keys1 wrote:
There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. From years of having old TV that buzz and smell we always switch off at the plug when we go to bed, same for the PC, various chargers etc as well. It's a habit from years ago and the old fire safety films. Shutting the doors to the lounge , hall etc as well. |
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NT wrote: On Sep 14, 10:43*pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. Indeed. See e.g.: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sustainable/charger/ I did the power meter thing a year or 2 ago - went round the house meansuring everything. The only real surprise was my HP Colour Laser printer. In it's "low-power" idle mode it's sucking 30W. That now gets turned off. Nothing else does because it's not worth the effort. Another eye opener is my freesat (or whatever it's called) box - that sucks 4 watts when on, and ... 4 watts on standby too, so no point even pushing the button on the remote. The newer ones may be better, but I bet they suck more when on (to spin up a hard drive) and the same when off. Gordon |
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:53:43 -0700 (PDT), NT wrote:
On Sep 14, 10:43*pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. NT In somke cases. My TV is 0.9W; the digibox is 9W (with a PF of 0.45!) so well worth switching off. -- Peter. The head of a pin will hold more angels if it's been flattened with an angel-grinder. |
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On 14 Sep 2009 23:50:28 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:19:15 +0100, Ian wrote: I think it depends on how old the appliance is. For example our old CRT Sony television was using almost the same power on standby as it was when turned on. The new LCD HD one uses just 1 watt on standby. Interesting is our 18 month old Hotpoiunt washing machine. When it finishes a wash, it stops and just leaves a power light on. Our old Hotpoint used nothing more than the mains neon; the new 'electronic' one uses (allegedly) 10 watts... A GF's audio stack: 0.5W w/o clock but 11W with clock - how long on an AA cell? -- Peter. The head of a pin will hold more angels if it's been flattened with an angel-grinder. |
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, Mike Hall writes On Sep 14, 11:27*pm, SeaWoe wrote: On Sep 14, 2:43*pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. Use a rubber-tipped stick and you don't need to bend over. (For the elderly and light-haeded) I tend to use my foot to turn off switches. Energy efficient, saves bending over and it keeps my big toe in shape! Tried that. Eventually made a hole in my slippers, and dislocated my big toe. A definite H&S matter! -- Ian |
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"alexander.keys1" wrote in message ... There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. David Mackays book is a good read on this subject: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/w...page_155.shtml You can download the whole thing from he http://www.withouthotair.com/ |
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Vortex4 wrote:
"alexander.keys1" wrote in message ... There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. David Mackays book is a good read on this subject: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/w...page_155.shtml So he says he can save all of 45 watts if he turns everything off instead of leaving it on standby when he's not using it. The equivalent of a very dim lightbulb therefore. Great! However, he ignores the fact that he's also losing 45 watts of heat. To keep his house at exactly the same temperature, an extra 45 watts of heat need to be pumped out by whatever heating system he has, for as much of the year as he needs any heating at all. Admittedly, that may be a bit cheaper if it's gas-fired, but it's still the same amount of energy, so it's unlikely to have a huge impact on climate change. |
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 at 14:43:54, alexander.keys1
wrote in uk.media.tv.misc : There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. Congratulations - you must be the only person in the country who enjoys reprogramming their VCR/DVD recorder every day... :p -- Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett |
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On 15 Sep, 08:54, Gordon Henderson wrote:
I did the power meter thing a year or 2 ago - went round the house meansuring everything. The only real surprise was my HP Colour Laser printer. In it's "low-power" idle mode it's sucking 30W. That now gets turned off. Nothing else does because it's not worth the effort. Be careful with that. Larger copiers and printers have drums that are damaged by moisture and so contain an anti-condensation heater. It may also not be sucking 30W continuously, just intermittently. |
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... Vortex4 wrote: "alexander.keys1" wrote in message ... There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. David Mackays book is a good read on this subject: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/w...page_155.shtml So he says he can save all of 45 watts if he turns everything off instead of leaving it on standby when he's not using it. The equivalent of a very dim lightbulb therefore. Great! However, he ignores the fact that he's also losing 45 watts of heat. To keep his house at exactly the same temperature, an extra 45 watts of heat need to be pumped out by whatever heating system he has, for as much of the year as he needs any heating at all. Admittedly, that may be a bit cheaper if it's gas-fired, but it's still the same amount of energy, so it's unlikely to have a huge impact on climate change. You are assuming that those 45W of electricity are converted to 45W of heat with 100% efficiency which is clearly not true. Z |
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Zimmy wrote:
"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... However, he ignores the fact that he's also losing 45 watts of heat. To keep his house at exactly the same temperature, an extra 45 watts of heat need to be pumped out by whatever heating system he has, for as much of the year as he needs any heating at all. Admittedly, that may be a bit cheaper if it's gas-fired, but it's still the same amount of energy, so it's unlikely to have a huge impact on climate change. You are assuming that those 45W of electricity are converted to 45W of heat with 100% efficiency which is clearly not true. Where else do you think it goes? |
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PeterC wrote:
My TV is 0.9W; the digibox is 9W (with a PF of 0.45!) so well worth switching off. Perhaps manufacturers should be required to specify standy power consumption. I've been surprised how much difference I have found eg between different computer monitors. I'd also like CFL manufacturers to be required to specify the illumination in lumens. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland |
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Andy Dingley wrote: On 15 Sep, 08:54, Gordon Henderson wrote: I did the power meter thing a year or 2 ago - went round the house meansuring everything. The only real surprise was my HP Colour Laser printer. In it's "low-power" idle mode it's sucking 30W. That now gets turned off. Nothing else does because it's not worth the effort. Be careful with that. Larger copiers and printers have drums that are damaged by moisture and so contain an anti-condensation heater. It may also not be sucking 30W continuously, just intermittently. I did leave it for a couple of hours, just in-case it had a "deeper sleep" mode, but didn't see any change. I only noticed it when I'd powered down everything in my office a while back - or thought I had - heard a fan running and traced it to the printer on the other side of the room, even though I knew I'd not done any printing for a few days... Not that bothered about it if it dies - it's now 6 years old and was a freebie anyway! Good workhorse though. Gordon |
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"Paul Hyett" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 at 14:43:54, alexander.keys1 wrote in uk.media.tv.misc : There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. Congratulations - you must be the only person in the country who enjoys reprogramming their VCR/DVD recorder every day... :p Although Paul this is the 21st century, so hopefully stuff such as time and date and even timed programmes should set themselves up automatically, at least they did even on a couple of ancient Panasonic videos I've long since discarded. |
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Norman Wells wrote: You are assuming that those 45W of electricity are converted to 45W of heat with 100% efficiency which is clearly not true. Where else do you think it goes? I suppose those LEDs produce some light? ;-) -- *Husband and cat lost -- reward for cat Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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scribeth thus On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT), "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. They can't switch the power stations off overnight, so they may as well power the 1W my TV takes to be in standby. I seem to remember that some hydro electric plant is powered down and some gas fired .. but coal is rather long winded to slow down and restart.. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Vortex4
scribeth thus "alexander.keys1" wrote in message ... There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. David Mackays book is a good read on this subject: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/w...page_155.shtml You can download the whole thing from he http://www.withouthotair.com/ See he' s some government advisor now so perhaps some sense will prevail;).. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Sep 15, 5:47*am, Andrew wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:43:54 -0700 (PDT), "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. They can't switch the power stations off overnight, so they may as well power the 1W my TV takes to be in standby. This time of year it's useful background heat. MBQ |
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On Sep 15, 10:45*am, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Vortex4 scribeth thus "alexander.keys1" wrote in message .... There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. David Mackays book is a good read on this subject: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/w...page_155.shtml You can download the whole thing from hehttp://www.withouthotair.com/ See he' s some government advisor now so perhaps some sense will prevail;).. No, it's a clever Government ploy. Now he's "one of them" people will assume he's contaminated and ignore or ridicule his book. MBQ |
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On Sep 15, 9:47*am, Paul Hyett wrote:
On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 at 14:43:54, alexander.keys1 wrote in uk.media.tv.misc : There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. Congratulations - you must be the only person in the country who enjoys reprogramming their VCR/DVD recorder every day... :p Explain please. What century was your "VCR/DVD recorder" manufactured in? Does it use wax cyclinders? You could probably save a fortune in energy costs by replacing it with a more modern version. Almost anything from the last 20 years or so should do. MBQ |
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"Norman Wells" wrote in message ... Zimmy wrote: "Norman Wells" wrote in message ... However, he ignores the fact that he's also losing 45 watts of heat. To keep his house at exactly the same temperature, an extra 45 watts of heat need to be pumped out by whatever heating system he has, for as much of the year as he needs any heating at all. Admittedly, that may be a bit cheaper if it's gas-fired, but it's still the same amount of energy, so it's unlikely to have a huge impact on climate change. You are assuming that those 45W of electricity are converted to 45W of heat with 100% efficiency which is clearly not true. Where else do you think it goes? Hmm, maybe powering the standby circuitry, IR receivers, etc? Z |
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On Sep 15, 12:19*am, "Ian" wrote:
"NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 14, 10:43 pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. I think it depends on how old the appliance is. For example our old CRT Sony television was using almost the same power on standby as it was when turned on. The new LCD HD one uses just 1 watt on standby. There's the odd one that does warrant turning off, typically something from the 90s or 00s. But the great majority of appliances are a pretty much a nonissue. NT |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Norman Wells wrote: You are assuming that those 45W of electricity are converted to 45W of heat with 100% efficiency which is clearly not true. Where else do you think it goes? I suppose those LEDs produce some light? ;-) Which then gets absorbed by the various surfaces and gets changed into what? |
Switch off at the socket?
On Sep 15, 1:23*am, DVDfever wrote:
On 15 Sep, 00:19, "Ian" wrote: "NT" wrote in message ... On Sep 14, 10:43 pm, "alexander.keys1" wrote: There have been a lot of comments recently about the waste of energy due to appliances being left on standby, and various gizmo's that are on offer to turn them off automatically, or otherwise purporting to save energy. What everybody seems to be forgetting is that an energy- saving device comes with most UK socket outlets, it's called a 'switch', and when put into the 'off' position, power cosumption is zero! None of my appliances, including computers, digital TV receivers, etc. have come to harm through this practice, I always switch off at the wall, back in the day when there were fewer appliances this was standard procedure to avoid fire risk. The phantom power issue is much over stated. In most cases it isn't worth getting up to switch things off. I think it depends on how old the appliance is. For example our old CRT Sony television was using almost the same power on standby as it was when turned on. The new LCD HD one uses just 1 watt on standby. All my TVs go on standby when not in use, except one. In my main room, next to the plasma and a bit further down, is an old 26" Ferguson 4:3 TV. I only really use it when snooker's on so it sits there quite often on mute so I watch TV on the plasma and keep an eye on the snooker occasionally. However, the snooker's not often on, so there's no point it being on most of the time. Also, when in standby it just comes back on a minute or so later for no particular reason so off it goes properly. It's amazing that some people go, "Ooh, I'm so green that I unplug all of my TVs, PC, Sky- whatever" but if you ask them to unplug their fridge and freezer and nooooooooooooooooooo, they won't. Green, my arse! If they did they'd have more green than they bargained for once that mould sets in..... |
Switch off at the socket?
"Timothy Murphy" wrote in message
... PeterC wrote: My TV is 0.9W; the digibox is 9W (with a PF of 0.45!) so well worth switching off. Perhaps manufacturers should be required to specify standy power consumption. I've been surprised how much difference I have found eg between different computer monitors. They usually do these days. But some only quote for the ultra power saving mode that has limited capability - for example STBs not allowing RF or SCART passthrough (e.g. Humax 9150/9300). Some don't say what they mean by standby - for a printer does that mean that it is visibly on but not actually printing - or just that the unit is connected to the mains? Hi-fi amplifiers should quote the quiescent consumption as well as the full power consumption as they will very rarely be peaking. -- Max Demian |
Switch off at the socket?
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, Man at B&Q wrote: Congratulations - you must be the only person in the country who enjoys reprogramming their VCR/DVD recorder every day... :p Explain please. What century was your "VCR/DVD recorder" manufactured in? Does it use wax cyclinders? You could probably save a fortune in energy costs by replacing it with a more modern version. Almost anything from the last 20 years or so should do. You know of a VCR etc which can do a pre-programmed recording when powered down at the socket? -- Is the hardness of the butter proportional to the softness of the bread?* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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