Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental
nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it
checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards,
but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you
can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have
been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no
wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two
cupboards?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 9 Sep, 20:58, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental
nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it
checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards,
but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you
can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have
been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. *Even stranger, there is no
wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two
cupboards?

--
Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk

They had some blocks but no timber to hand and it was Friday P.M.....?

Adam

The Medway Handyman wrote:
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental
nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it
checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards,
but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you
can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have
been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no
wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two
cupboards?


cos all they had was blocks and mortar?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between
two landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a
dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her
to get it checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent
cupboards, but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but
you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling
must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even
stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to
divide two cupboards?


cos all they had was blocks and mortar?

The Natural Philosopher, the reply is for TMH, as I have followed others
leads and blocked his posts.

And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are more
than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are trimmed or trimming
joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the standard joists so that floor
openings [such as for the stairs) can be accommodated.

Cash

On 9 Sep, 21:52, "Cash" wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between
two landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a
dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her
to get it checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent
cupboards, but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but
you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling
must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. *Even
stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to
divide two cupboards?

cos all they had was blocks and mortar?

The Natural Philosopher, the reply is for TMH, as I have followed others
leads and blocked his posts.

And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are more
than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are trimmed or trimming
joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the standard joists so that floor
openings [such as for the stairs) can be accommodated.

Cash


I'm not sure that your definition of trimmed and trimming joists is
accurate; perhaps because I am initiated.

And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are
more than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are
trimmed or trimming joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the
standard joists so that floor openings [such as for the stairs) can
be accommodated.

Cash


I'm not sure that your definition of trimmed and trimming joists is
accurate; perhaps because I am initiated.

I'm glad you commented as (being a SOG) I'd consulted the OED and found
only:

"trimmed joist, a joist which is tenoned into a trimmer (sense 4); cf.
trimming-joist "

whence

"trimming-joist, a joist into which the end of a trimmer (sense 4) is
fitted"

and so finally to

"trimmer 4. Arch. A short beam framed across an opening (as a stair-well
or hearth) to carry the ends of those joists which cannot be extended
across the opening;"

That last fits with what I was told when I enlarged our loft hatch - ie
to fit new "trimnmers".

--
R

Limey Lurker wrote:
On 9 Sep, 21:52, "Cash" wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between
two landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a
dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her
to get it checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent
cupboards, but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall,
but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the
ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected.
Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to
divide two cupboards?

cos all they had was blocks and mortar?

The Natural Philosopher, the reply is for TMH, as I have followed
others leads and blocked his posts.

And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are
more than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are
trimmed or trimming joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the
standard joists so that floor openings [such as for the stairs) can
be accommodated.

Cash


I'm not sure that your definition of trimmed and trimming joists is
accurate; perhaps because I am initiated.


Limey Lurker,


Yep, and I'm also "initiated". Have a look at a good text book and you will
see for example if you have a 8" x 2" floor joists and you want to insert a
'hole' to accommodate a stairway you will find that you will need to cut
some of the aforesaid floor joists for that and you will have to support
those 'cut' ends.

So, what you then do to support that is to introduce an 8" x 3" joist (the
trimmer) between the 'uncut joists on either side of the opening either by
A) using a tusk tenon or B) using a joist hanger and then support the ends
of the previously cut 8" x 2" joists (the trimmed joists) using either
methods A or B to the trimmer.

And in the context of the OP, if that no-load bearing brick wall *was*
resting on top of a trimmer joist, then that will more than carry the
weight - as will the standard joists

Bloody hell, now it's time for a cuppa! :-)


Cash

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental
nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it
checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent
cupboards,
but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you
can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have
been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is
no
wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Nothing under, nothing over so it is not structural just get on and knock it
out.

It is not unusual to block up from floor to ceiling, cheaper than timber,
plasterboard/lath & plaster plus chippies time.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide
two
cupboards?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental
nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it
checked out by a structural engineer.


You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and
ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy!
Funny how you slag people off when it's you that doesn't have a clue really.
She might only be employed as a Dental Nurse but you have no idea what
she is qualified in. She is probably far more intelligent than you.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent
cupboards, but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you
can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have
been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is
no wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide
two cupboards?



Why not, depends what looks good or what alterations have been made
elsewhere.

--
Dave - The Medway Cowboy!
www.medwayhandycowboy!.co.uk

Roger wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in
message om...
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between
two landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a
dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her
to get it checked out by a structural engineer.


You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here
and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy!

Ah, its ****wit Roger again. You don't have a clue do you? 'Every time I
get a job'? I do more DIY in a month than you do in a year halfwit. And if
I were a cowboy, I'd go ahead and knock down walls without checking.

Take a look at the positive contribution I make to this NG - far greater
than your pathetic posts. That's because I share the experience I've gained
doing DIY tasks 6 days a week.

I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute ****
all to them.

If you had the brains to read a post and actually comprehend it, you would
realise I wasn't asking for advice on a particular job - I had already told
the client to get a structural engineer. I was simply wondering about why
such a wall would have been built.

Its called natural curiosity. Recognised as a sign of intelligence. You
however appear to be mercifully free from the burdens of intelligence.

Funny how you slag people off when it's you that doesn't have a clue
really. She might only be employed as a Dental Nurse but you have no
idea what she is qualified in. She is probably far more intelligent than
you.

First of all ****wit, I wasn't slaging her off, just commenting that dental
nurses aren't trained in structural engineering - which should be obvious
even to an idiot like you. I've already made the correct decision &
recommended a structural engineer. A 100% professional response.

So, do you have any advice to give? Do you have any specialised knowledge
which would benefit the NG? Or are you just a ****** who likes to snipe at
people?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On 10 Sep, 01:25, "The Medway Handyman" wrote:

....

Ah, its ****wit Roger
....

I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute ****
all to them.

....

First of all ****wit,
....


....

*Or are you just a ******



Um. Is this how you talk to your customers?

Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine).

Mary.

wrote in message
...
On 10 Sep, 01:25, "The Medway Handyman" wrote:

....

Ah, its ****wit Roger
....

I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute
****
all to them.

....

First of all ****wit,
....


....

Or are you just a ******



Um. Is this how you talk to your customers?

Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine).

Mary.


I am training TMH up in customer relations.

Adam

Or are you just a wxxxx



Um. Is this how you talk to your customers?

Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine).


I guess he says 'yes sir no sir yes maam'
and buttons his mouth until he gets home
then lets it out on us lot..

I was going to nominate TMH to the Queen for a knighthood
for services to DIYers but I wont now!

[g]

PS
(yes the neighbour's ****ed me off again
and as she's a copper i'm letting of steam here!)

wrote in message
...
On 10 Sep, 01:25, "The Medway Handyman" wrote:

....

Ah, its ****wit Roger
....

I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute
****
all to them.

....

First of all ****wit,
....


....

Or are you just a ******



Um. Is this how you talk to your customers?



What a stupid question?

Adam

wrote:
On 10 Sep, 01:25, "The Medway Handyman" wrote:

...

Ah, its ****wit Roger
...

I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you
contribute **** all to them.

...

First of all ****wit,
...


...

Or are you just a ******



Um. Is this how you talk to your customers?

Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine).

Mary.

You appear to be confusing me with someone who cares what you think.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

Roger wrote:

You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and
ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy!

He'd be some handyman if his knowledge covered every aspect of building.

"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
m...
Roger wrote:

You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and
ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy!

He'd be some handyman if his knowledge covered every aspect of building.

As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK.
Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't
have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance
doesn't cover.

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they
decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a
clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance
doesn't cover.

Err, how do you know what his insurance covers?

Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY
task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by
a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble
under the floors...

Only those who have a self inflated sense of their importance think it's
wrong to seek advice.

--
*One of us is thinking about sex... OK, it's me.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they
decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a
clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance
doesn't cover.

Err, how do you know what his insurance covers?

Who's?

Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY
task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by
a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble
under the floors...

I have also taken down internal walls, without supervision, but I could tell
the difference between the load bearing and none load bearing walls.

Only those who have a self inflated sense of their importance think it's
wrong to seek advice.

I agree with some of that, but there are also idiots that don't seek advice.

dennis@home wrote:
"Stuart Noble" wrote in message
m...
Roger wrote:

You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here
and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy!

He'd be some handyman if his knowledge covered every aspect of
building.

As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK.
Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they
don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff
their insurance doesn't cover.

Like knocking down walls without knowing what you are doing?


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

In article ,
Roger wrote:
You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and
ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy!

Most would think asking advice on something they're not sure about
commendable. Rather than the cowboy builder approach of not giving a stuff
and bodging.
Are you a cowboy since you think it's losing face to ask for advice?

--
*Can atheists get insurance for acts of God? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Roger wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental
nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it
checked out by a structural engineer.


You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and
ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy!

*plonk*

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:58:07 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two
cupboards?

Victorian or Edwardian house presumably? It's not uncommon to see stud
walls with brickwork between. They're usually not load-bearing.

I don't know why they did it. For sound insulation, maybe?

Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not
load-bearing. And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't
mean it's not structural. Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat
checked with our Building Control whether he could remove a stud wall
in her flat. After checking that it didn't affect fire safety, the
surveyor said it was OK. The next we hear is from the occupant of the
upstairs flat wondering why her floors had dropped by several inches.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

Hugo Nebula wrote:

Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not
load-bearing.

Yes, fine.

And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not
structural.

What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural"
in this particular context? (Presumably this is a specialised usage,
like "tax avoidance" vs "tax evasion".)

Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat checked with our Building
Control whether he could remove a stud wall in her flat. After checking
that it didn't affect fire safety, the surveyor said it was OK. The
next we hear is from the occupant of the upstairs flat wondering why
her floors had dropped by several inches.

That example seems to be more about "Just because it's a stud wal..."


--
Ian White

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Hugo Nebula wrote:

And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not
structural.

What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural"
in this particular context?

Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud
walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also
buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations
where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Hugo Nebula wrote:

And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not
structural.

What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural"
in this particular context?

Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud
walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also
buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations
where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress.

Thanks - that would have been my guess, but it's better to see it
spelled out by a professional.


--
Ian White

On Sep 10, 5:14*pm, Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Hugo Nebula wrote:
And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not
structural.
What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural"
in this particular context?

Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud
walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also
buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations
where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress.

A buttress is load bearing.

Isn't it more that common usage has come to interpret "load bearing"
as supporting something above rather than supporting something to the
side?

MBQ

Man at B&Q wrote:
On Sep 10, 5:14 pm, Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Hugo Nebula wrote:
And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not
structural.
What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural"
in this particular context?
Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud
walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also
buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations
where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress.

A buttress is load bearing.

Isn't it more that common usage has come to interpret "load bearing"
as supporting something above rather than supporting something to the
side?


it may be common usage, but it aint correct.

Load bearing means bearing loads from other parts of the structure than
itself.

MBQ

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 02:07:50 -0700 (PDT), a certain chimpanzee, "Man
at B&Q" randomly hit the keyboard and
produced:

A buttress is load bearing.

Isn't it more that common usage has come to interpret "load bearing"
as supporting something above rather than supporting something to the
side?

In the sense that load = a force acting on an object, then yes, a
buttress is load bearing. However, I did want to point out that a
structural member does more than react to gravitational forces.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

In article ,
Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not
load-bearing. And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't
mean it's not structural. Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat
checked with our Building Control whether he could remove a stud wall
in her flat. After checking that it didn't affect fire safety, the
surveyor said it was OK. The next we hear is from the occupant of the
upstairs flat wondering why her floors had dropped by several inches.

Absolutely. Wood in compression - as in a stud wall - can take enormous
loads. Think pit props. ;-)

I've removed two internal walls in this house, both stud ones and both
load bearing. Don't guess - get a structural engineer in. They are very
good value.

--
*If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:58:07 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to
divide two cupboards?

Victorian or Edwardian house presumably? It's not uncommon to see stud
walls with brickwork between. They're usually not load-bearing.

Actually no, 1970's I'd guess.

I don't know why they did it. For sound insulation, maybe?

Its between two cupboards on the landing. Possibly one had a hot water tank
in some time ago?

Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not
load-bearing. And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't
mean it's not structural. Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat
checked with our Building Control whether he could remove a stud wall
in her flat. After checking that it didn't affect fire safety, the
surveyor said it was OK. The next we hear is from the occupant of the
upstairs flat wondering why her floors had dropped by several inches.

Ferzacerly why I'm not touching it without a structural engineer saying its
OK.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

On Sep 10, 6:18*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote:
Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:58:07 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to
divide two cupboards?

Victorian or Edwardian house presumably? It's not uncommon to see stud
walls with brickwork between. They're usually not load-bearing.

Actually no, 1970's I'd guess.

All of the upstairs walls in our 1973 house are brick or block
construction, regardless of what is above or below them, or alignment
in relation to the joists. Some are obviously more "load bearing" than
others. Some are just built up off a large piece of timber running
across the floorboards, to which the skirting is nailed. It makes for
very good sound insulation and it's always easy to get a good fixing
for hanging pictures, etc.

MBQ

On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:18:09 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Ferzacerly why I'm not touching it without a structural engineer saying its
OK.

You're not from Liverpool by any chance are you? I've not heard anyone
from outside Merseyside use Fazakerley (or any approximation) as a
substitute for 'exactly'.
--
Hugo Nebula
"If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this,
just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:18:09 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Ferzacerly why I'm not touching it without a structural engineer
saying its OK.

You're not from Liverpool by any chance are you? I've not heard anyone
from outside Merseyside use Fazakerley (or any approximation) as a
substitute for 'exactly'.

Thankfully I am pretty much as far away as possible. Born in east London.
Google reveals there is a Fazakerley High School in Liverpool, so I spose
thats where it comes from.

I'd pronounce it 'Fer' rather than Far. No idea where I've picked it up
from.



--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message
om...
Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:18:09 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Ferzacerly why I'm not touching it without a structural engineer
saying its OK.

You're not from Liverpool by any chance are you? I've not heard anyone
from outside Merseyside use Fazakerley (or any approximation) as a
substitute for 'exactly'.

Thankfully I am pretty much as far away as possible. Born in east London.
Google reveals there is a Fazakerley High School in Liverpool, so I spose
thats where it comes from.

It also has a prison.


Adam

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:46:53 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard
and produced:

Google reveals there is a Fazakerley High School in Liverpool, so I spose
thats where it comes from.

It's a district of North Liverpool.
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Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed.

She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental
nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it
checked out by a structural engineer.

Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent
cupboards, but its a solid wall.

Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you
can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have
been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is
no wall underneath it, just the kitchen.

Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide
two cupboards?

There's lots of walls like that in my house. If the brickies have finished
the shell why not get them to do a bit of blockwork?

Bill