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Structural Wall?
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two
landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On 9 Sep, 20:58, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. *Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? -- Dave - The Medway Handymanwww.medwayhandyman.co.uk They had some blocks but no timber to hand and it was Friday P.M.....? Adam |
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The Medway Handyman wrote:
Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? cos all they had was blocks and mortar? |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote: Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? cos all they had was blocks and mortar? The Natural Philosopher, the reply is for TMH, as I have followed others leads and blocked his posts. And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are more than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are trimmed or trimming joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the standard joists so that floor openings [such as for the stairs) can be accommodated. Cash |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Nothing under, nothing over so it is not structural just get on and knock it out. It is not unusual to block up from floor to ceiling, cheaper than timber, plasterboard/lath & plaster plus chippies time. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On 9 Sep, 21:52, "Cash" wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. *Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? cos all they had was blocks and mortar? The Natural Philosopher, the reply is for TMH, as I have followed others leads and blocked his posts. And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are more than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are trimmed or trimming joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the standard joists so that floor openings [such as for the stairs) can be accommodated. Cash I'm not sure that your definition of trimmed and trimming joists is accurate; perhaps because I am initiated. |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy! Funny how you slag people off when it's you that doesn't have a clue really. She might only be employed as a Dental Nurse but you have no idea what she is qualified in. She is probably far more intelligent than you. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? Why not, depends what looks good or what alterations have been made elsewhere. -- Dave - The Medway Cowboy! www.medwayhandycowboy!.co.uk |
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On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:58:07 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? Victorian or Edwardian house presumably? It's not uncommon to see stud walls with brickwork between. They're usually not load-bearing. I don't know why they did it. For sound insulation, maybe? Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not load-bearing. And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat checked with our Building Control whether he could remove a stud wall in her flat. After checking that it didn't affect fire safety, the surveyor said it was OK. The next we hear is from the occupant of the upstairs flat wondering why her floors had dropped by several inches. -- Hugo Nebula "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?" |
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Roger wrote:
"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy! Ah, its ****wit Roger again. You don't have a clue do you? 'Every time I get a job'? I do more DIY in a month than you do in a year halfwit. And if I were a cowboy, I'd go ahead and knock down walls without checking. Take a look at the positive contribution I make to this NG - far greater than your pathetic posts. That's because I share the experience I've gained doing DIY tasks 6 days a week. I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute **** all to them. If you had the brains to read a post and actually comprehend it, you would realise I wasn't asking for advice on a particular job - I had already told the client to get a structural engineer. I was simply wondering about why such a wall would have been built. Its called natural curiosity. Recognised as a sign of intelligence. You however appear to be mercifully free from the burdens of intelligence. Funny how you slag people off when it's you that doesn't have a clue really. She might only be employed as a Dental Nurse but you have no idea what she is qualified in. She is probably far more intelligent than you. First of all ****wit, I wasn't slaging her off, just commenting that dental nurses aren't trained in structural engineering - which should be obvious even to an idiot like you. I've already made the correct decision & recommended a structural engineer. A 100% professional response. So, do you have any advice to give? Do you have any specialised knowledge which would benefit the NG? Or are you just a ****** who likes to snipe at people? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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"The Medway Handyman" wrote in message om... Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? There's lots of walls like that in my house. If the brickies have finished the shell why not get them to do a bit of blockwork? Bill |
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Hugo Nebula wrote:
Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not load-bearing. Yes, fine. And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural" in this particular context? (Presumably this is a specialised usage, like "tax avoidance" vs "tax evasion".) Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat checked with our Building Control whether he could remove a stud wall in her flat. After checking that it didn't affect fire safety, the surveyor said it was OK. The next we hear is from the occupant of the upstairs flat wondering why her floors had dropped by several inches. That example seems to be more about "Just because it's a stud wal..." -- Ian White |
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And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are
more than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are trimmed or trimming joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the standard joists so that floor openings [such as for the stairs) can be accommodated. Cash I'm not sure that your definition of trimmed and trimming joists is accurate; perhaps because I am initiated. I'm glad you commented as (being a SOG) I'd consulted the OED and found only: "trimmed joist, a joist which is tenoned into a trimmer (sense 4); cf. trimming-joist " whence "trimming-joist, a joist into which the end of a trimmer (sense 4) is fitted" and so finally to "trimmer 4. Arch. A short beam framed across an opening (as a stair-well or hearth) to carry the ends of those joists which cannot be extended across the opening;" That last fits with what I was told when I enlarged our loft hatch - ie to fit new "trimnmers". -- R |
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In article ,
Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote: Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not load-bearing. And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat checked with our Building Control whether he could remove a stud wall in her flat. After checking that it didn't affect fire safety, the surveyor said it was OK. The next we hear is from the occupant of the upstairs flat wondering why her floors had dropped by several inches. Absolutely. Wood in compression - as in a stud wall - can take enormous loads. Think pit props. ;-) I've removed two internal walls in this house, both stud ones and both load bearing. Don't guess - get a structural engineer in. They are very good value. -- *If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Roger wrote:
You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy! He'd be some handyman if his knowledge covered every aspect of building. |
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In article ,
Roger wrote: You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy! Most would think asking advice on something they're not sure about commendable. Rather than the cowboy builder approach of not giving a stuff and bodging. Are you a cowboy since you think it's losing face to ask for advice? -- *Can atheists get insurance for acts of God? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Stuart Noble" wrote in message m... Roger wrote: You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy! He'd be some handyman if his knowledge covered every aspect of building. As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. |
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dennis@home wrote: As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Err, how do you know what his insurance covers? Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble under the floors... Only those who have a self inflated sense of their importance think it's wrong to seek advice. -- *One of us is thinking about sex... OK, it's me. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 10 Sep, 01:25, "The Medway Handyman" wrote:
.... Ah, its ****wit Roger .... I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute **** all to them. .... First of all ****wit, .... .... *Or are you just a ****** Um. Is this how you talk to your customers? Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine). Mary. |
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wrote in message ... On 10 Sep, 01:25, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: .... Ah, its ****wit Roger .... I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute **** all to them. .... First of all ****wit, .... .... Or are you just a ****** Um. Is this how you talk to your customers? Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine). Mary. I am training TMH up in customer relations. Adam |
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Or are you just a wxxxx Um. Is this how you talk to your customers? Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine). I guess he says 'yes sir no sir yes maam' and buttons his mouth until he gets home then lets it out on us lot.. I was going to nominate TMH to the Queen for a knighthood for services to DIYers but I wont now! [g] PS (yes the neighbour's ****ed me off again and as she's a copper i'm letting of steam here!) |
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wrote in message ... On 10 Sep, 01:25, "The Medway Handyman" wrote: .... Ah, its ****wit Roger .... I wonder why ****s like you bother looking at NG's when you contribute **** all to them. .... First of all ****wit, .... .... Or are you just a ****** Um. Is this how you talk to your customers? What a stupid question? Adam |
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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White
randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Hugo Nebula wrote: And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural" in this particular context? Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress. -- Hugo Nebula "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?" |
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Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:58:07 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? Victorian or Edwardian house presumably? It's not uncommon to see stud walls with brickwork between. They're usually not load-bearing. Actually no, 1970's I'd guess. I don't know why they did it. For sound insulation, maybe? Its between two cupboards on the landing. Possibly one had a hot water tank in some time ago? Of course, just because a wall is not masonry, doesn't mean it's not load-bearing. And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. Recently, an occupant of a ground-floor flat checked with our Building Control whether he could remove a stud wall in her flat. After checking that it didn't affect fire safety, the surveyor said it was OK. The next we hear is from the occupant of the upstairs flat wondering why her floors had dropped by several inches. Ferzacerly why I'm not touching it without a structural engineer saying its OK. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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george (dicegeorge) wrote:
Or are you just a wxxxx Um. Is this how you talk to your customers? Hardly "A 100% professional response" (your words, not mine). I guess he says 'yes sir no sir yes maam' and buttons his mouth until he gets home then lets it out on us lot.. To coin an old phrase "this animal is dangerous - if attacked it will defend itself". I was going to nominate TMH to the Queen for a knighthood for services to DIYers but I wont now! [g] Shame :-( -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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dennis@home wrote:
"Stuart Noble" wrote in message m... Roger wrote: You always make me laugh. Each time you get a job you come on here and ask what to do - suggesting you are a right cowboy! He'd be some handyman if his knowledge covered every aspect of building. As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Like knocking down walls without knowing what you are doing? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Limey Lurker wrote:
On 9 Sep, 21:52, "Cash" wrote: The Natural Philosopher wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: Looked at a job on the way home tonight, lady wants a wall between two landing cupboards removed. She reckoned it wasn't structural, but seeing as though she was a dental nurse & AFAIK they are not trained in this area, I told her to get it checked out by a structural engineer. Strange though - effectively its a partition between two adjacent cupboards, but its a solid wall. Looked in the loft & the joists run at right angles to the wall, but you can't see the top of the wall, only plasterboard, so the ceiling must have been plasterboarded before the wall was erected. Even stranger, there is no wall underneath it, just the kitchen. Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? cos all they had was blocks and mortar? The Natural Philosopher, the reply is for TMH, as I have followed others leads and blocked his posts. And that's a normal construction in many buildings - the joists are more than strong enough to carry it, particularly if they are trimmed or trimming joists (for the uninitiated, bigger than the standard joists so that floor openings [such as for the stairs) can be accommodated. Cash I'm not sure that your definition of trimmed and trimming joists is accurate; perhaps because I am initiated. Limey Lurker, Yep, and I'm also "initiated". Have a look at a good text book and you will see for example if you have a 8" x 2" floor joists and you want to insert a 'hole' to accommodate a stairway you will find that you will need to cut some of the aforesaid floor joists for that and you will have to support those 'cut' ends. So, what you then do to support that is to introduce an 8" x 3" joist (the trimmer) between the 'uncut joists on either side of the opening either by A) using a tusk tenon or B) using a joist hanger and then support the ends of the previously cut 8" x 2" joists (the trimmed joists) using either methods A or B to the trimmer. And in the context of the OP, if that no-load bearing brick wall *was* resting on top of a trimmer joist, then that will more than carry the weight - as will the standard joists Bloody hell, now it's time for a cuppa! :-) Cash |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , dennis@home wrote: As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Err, how do you know what his insurance covers? Who's? Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble under the floors... I have also taken down internal walls, without supervision, but I could tell the difference between the load bearing and none load bearing walls. Only those who have a self inflated sense of their importance think it's wrong to seek advice. I agree with some of that, but there are also idiots that don't seek advice. |
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dennis@home wrote: As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Err, how do you know what his insurance covers? Who's? Perhaps you don't realise what you've written. It's at the top of this post. Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble under the floors... I have also taken down internal walls, without supervision, but I could tell the difference between the load bearing and none load bearing walls. Just by looking at it? Only those who have a self inflated sense of their importance think it's wrong to seek advice. I agree with some of that, but there are also idiots that don't seek advice. That's certainly true. -- *Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Hugo Nebula wrote: And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural" in this particular context? Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress. Thanks - that would have been my guess, but it's better to see it spelled out by a professional. -- Ian White |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , dennis@home wrote: As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Err, how do you know what his insurance covers? Who's? Perhaps you don't realise what you've written. It's at the top of this post. Oh I know what I wrote. Its quoted above. You may notice that it says "they" and doesn't specify an individual. Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble under the floors... I have also taken down internal walls, without supervision, but I could tell the difference between the load bearing and none load bearing walls. Just by looking at it? In that case yes. |
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On Sep 10, 5:14*pm, Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Hugo Nebula wrote: And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural" in this particular context? Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress. A buttress is load bearing. Isn't it more that common usage has come to interpret "load bearing" as supporting something above rather than supporting something to the side? MBQ |
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On Sep 10, 6:18*pm, "The Medway Handyman"
wrote: Hugo Nebula wrote: On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:58:07 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Why would they build a solid wall, with no support under, just to divide two cupboards? Victorian or Edwardian house presumably? It's not uncommon to see stud walls with brickwork between. They're usually not load-bearing. Actually no, 1970's I'd guess. All of the upstairs walls in our 1973 house are brick or block construction, regardless of what is above or below them, or alignment in relation to the joists. Some are obviously more "load bearing" than others. Some are just built up off a large piece of timber running across the floorboards, to which the skirting is nailed. It makes for very good sound insulation and it's always easy to get a good fixing for hanging pictures, etc. MBQ |
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On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:18:09 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway
Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Ferzacerly why I'm not touching it without a structural engineer saying its OK. You're not from Liverpool by any chance are you? I've not heard anyone from outside Merseyside use Fazakerley (or any approximation) as a substitute for 'exactly'. -- Hugo Nebula "If no-one on the internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?" |
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Man at B&Q wrote:
On Sep 10, 5:14 pm, Hugo Nebula abuse@localhost wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:14:47 +0100, a certain chimpanzee, Ian White randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Hugo Nebula wrote: And just because a wall is not load-bearing, doesn't mean it's not structural. What is the essential difference between "load-bearing" and "structural" in this particular context? Glad you asked. In loft conversions it's not uncommon to have stud walls acting as gussets to provide lateral restraint. Walls can also buttress other walls. I've seen (admittedly very rarely) situations where a stud wall lined with plywood has been used as a buttress. A buttress is load bearing. Isn't it more that common usage has come to interpret "load bearing" as supporting something above rather than supporting something to the side? it may be common usage, but it aint correct. Load bearing means bearing loads from other parts of the structure than itself. MBQ |
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dennis@home wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , dennis@home wrote: As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Err, how do you know what his insurance covers? Who's? Perhaps you don't realise what you've written. It's at the top of this post. Oh I know what I wrote. Its quoted above. You may notice that it says "they" and doesn't specify an individual. But can be taken to imply it. Allegedly. Given you appear to have some restrictions as to what a handyman can be allowed to do. Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble under the floors... I have also taken down internal walls, without supervision, but I could tell the difference between the load bearing and none load bearing walls. Just by looking at it? In that case yes. You must have X-ray vision, then. As well as the ability to do lightening calculations. My structural engineer did a full inspection and worked out the loadings. -- *Can atheists get insurance for acts of God? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , dennis@home wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , dennis@home wrote: As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Err, how do you know what his insurance covers? Who's? Perhaps you don't realise what you've written. It's at the top of this post. Oh I know what I wrote. Its quoted above. You may notice that it says "they" and doesn't specify an individual. But can be taken to imply it. Allegedly. Given you appear to have some restrictions as to what a handyman can be allowed to do. Taking down an internal wall under the supervision of a pro can be a DIY task. I've done two here, and I'm not a builder. I've also seen it done by a 'proper' builder where they took risks. And then left all the rubble under the floors... I have also taken down internal walls, without supervision, but I could tell the difference between the load bearing and none load bearing walls. Just by looking at it? In that case yes. You must have X-ray vision, then. As well as the ability to do lightening calculations. My structural engineer did a full inspection and worked out the loadings. I remember once a consultant engineer being called in to go through a noise problem on a circuit I was working on. he appeared one day and I said 'who are you?' ' I've come to investigate the noise problem on the tuner' 'Oh, its in the tuner head - the bit I didn't design' 'Thanks but I'll be the judge of that'. Two weeks later he reappeared and said 'yes it was in the tuner, I calculated all the noise figures and it is nowhere else' 'Two weeks?' I said, removed the tuner, stuck a 50 ohm load in and a sig generator ' Look, No noise If you had waited half an hour I could have shown you that the first time'. .. Sometimes consultancy is a very slow way to understand things. Prat. |
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Hugo Nebula wrote:
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:18:09 GMT, a certain chimpanzee, "The Medway Handyman" randomly hit the keyboard and produced: Ferzacerly why I'm not touching it without a structural engineer saying its OK. You're not from Liverpool by any chance are you? I've not heard anyone from outside Merseyside use Fazakerley (or any approximation) as a substitute for 'exactly'. Thankfully I am pretty much as far away as possible. Born in east London. Google reveals there is a Fazakerley High School in Liverpool, so I spose thats where it comes from. I'd pronounce it 'Fer' rather than Far. No idea where I've picked it up from. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , dennis@home wrote: As long as he sticks to being a handyman it will be OK. Its when they decide to make a few extra quid by doing something they don't have a clue about that they become cowboys. That and stuff their insurance doesn't cover. Err, how do you know what his insurance covers? Who's? Perhaps you don't realise what you've written. It's at the top of this post. Oh I know what I wrote. Its quoted above. You may notice that it says "they" and doesn't specify an individual. But can be taken to imply it. Allegedly. Given you appear to have some restrictions as to what a handyman can be allowed to do. I wondered if Dennis was having a pop, but he is rambling more than usual & I couldn't be arsed to work it out. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: You must have X-ray vision, then. As well as the ability to do lightening calculations. My structural engineer did a full inspection and worked out the loadings. I remember once a consultant engineer being called in to go through a noise problem on a circuit I was working on. he appeared one day and I said 'who are you?' ' I've come to investigate the noise problem on the tuner' 'Oh, its in the tuner head - the bit I didn't design' 'Thanks but I'll be the judge of that'. Obviously you had an employer who didn't trust your judgement. In my case I employed the structural engineer who I did trust. And had no reason to change that trust afterwards. -- *I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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