The pain did originally start on bending or straightening after
lifting stuff (i.e. a box of A4 paper), and about a month ago it felt
like it was starting to "lock" if I straightened it out - around the
same time I started to get a bad burning sensation in the elbow, but
it felt like a really nasty chemical burn, not the normal sort of pull
/ twist.

I've just had to kinda dangle it for the last few days, I can't move
it by itself, i'm having to flop it around with my good arm :-}

The worrying bit is the "good" arm has started to give that burning
sensation too...

Apart from the location, this all sounds somewhat like the symptoms of a
frozen shoulder. While I am highly reluctant to promote a magnetic bracelet,
they do actually work on *my* symptoms (I still get some intermittent pain,
but the mobility came back as predicted over a period of a year or so).
Being a rational scientist who knows that they can't possibly work, I came
up with three theories.

1: the bracelet acts as a counter irritant (i.e. distracts the processing
software)
2: magnetic field means there are fluctuating lateral forces on the nerves
in the wrist, and the mechanical stimulation affects the software
3: magnetic field acting on blood flow (electrical conductor) induces
electrical charge which affects something?

or maybe the placebo effect works even on unbelivers?

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:40:49 +0000, The Medway Handyman wrote:
WD40 prolly works...

No, the makers would claim that it works. Then, after clearing up
from the resulting disaster, something more suitable could be used.
:-)

Thats your name on the list matey. Come the revolution...

It's a less and less exclusive club every day... :-)

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:11:51 +0100, newshound wrote:

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or maybe the placebo effect works even on unbelivers?

According to Ben Goldacre this is the case.

newshound wrote:

The pain did originally start on bending or straightening after
lifting stuff (i.e. a box of A4 paper), and about a month ago it felt
like it was starting to "lock" if I straightened it out - around the
same time I started to get a bad burning sensation in the elbow, but
it felt like a really nasty chemical burn, not the normal sort of pull
/ twist.

I've just had to kinda dangle it for the last few days, I can't move
it by itself, i'm having to flop it around with my good arm :-}

The worrying bit is the "good" arm has started to give that burning
sensation too...

Apart from the location, this all sounds somewhat like the symptoms of a
frozen shoulder.

Ah, I remember it well. You don't know how you did it, but it takes a
year to go away.

While I am highly reluctant to promote a magnetic
bracelet, they do actually work on *my* symptoms (I still get some
intermittent pain, but the mobility came back as predicted over a period
of a year or so). Being a rational scientist who knows that they can't
possibly work, I came up with three theories.

1: the bracelet acts as a counter irritant (i.e. distracts the
processing software)
2: magnetic field means there are fluctuating lateral forces on the
nerves in the wrist, and the mechanical stimulation affects the software
3: magnetic field acting on blood flow (electrical conductor) induces
electrical charge which affects something?

or maybe the placebo effect works even on unbelivers?

They say animals are super sensitive to that kind of thing. At certain
times our cat will only sleep on the spaghetti junction of cables behind
the tele, which has to be the most uncomfortable spot in the house. Then
he won't go near it for months. I assume he derives some benefit from
the vibes

In article , The Medway
Handyman wrote:


Nobody is quite sure where the Guvmint got this 8 minutes idea from, but
strangely there is no clinical outcome target. So if the ambulance
arrives in 7 minutes & the patient dies, thats a success.
Several years of studying outcomes from responses to heart attack reports
in an experiment in Ohio. (and another couple of places) Best outcomes
were responsible for the action plan of:
1 get help,
even if it means leaving a non-breathing casualty. (early access)
2 give CPR
(if alone - start after returning from getting help) (early CPR)
3 Use defibrillator
(should arrive soon 'cos you went for help) (early defib)
4 Advanced care (drips drugs etc)

Best results were found to be in some type of HA patients sustained with
CPR, when defib could be given within (about) 8 1/2 mins

Not successful in ALL heart attack cases but in a small number of types of
attack

The crews of course are more concerned with clinical outcome.

LAS now has over 100 FRU's purely to try & meet targets. Getting a
trained techie or medic there ASAP is important, but they can't
transport patients. So now instead of two crew + one vehicle attending
its three crew & two vehicles.

They would rather have more ambulances to give greater coverage &
therefore less waiting time.
ALSO: First Response Unit. Volunteer civilians trained to a local standard
(skill level varies throughout the country) A retired dep head teacher
friend of mine has twice attended calls to the local hospital as the
non-emergency doctors had no first aid training.
John

--
John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

It's that deja vu feeling all over again

In article ,
JTM writes:
ALSO: First Response Unit. Volunteer civilians trained to a local standard
(skill level varies throughout the country) A retired dep head teacher
friend of mine has twice attended calls to the local hospital as the
non-emergency doctors had no first aid training.

When I was at University in early 1980's, several of the London teaching
hospitals newly instigated a program where the first thing new medics
do is an emergency first-aid course, and it was open to anyone else
who wanted to come along too (which I did).

The reason for this was when someone is injured, often I cry went out
for a medic (and there were lots of undergrad medics around). However,
medics were not trained in emergency first aid at any point during
their courses, and were mostly not very useful at an accident scene.
The course was an attempt to overcome this, at least whilst the medics
were going through university.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

newshound wrote:


Apart from the location, this all sounds somewhat like the symptoms of a
frozen shoulder.

Adhesive capsulitis *can* be related to hypothyroidism. Unfortunately,
if it is, the prompt treatment which is required with that cause is
rarely received.

And, just for good measure, carpal tunnel syndrome is also associated
with hypothyroidism.

--
Rod

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:16:22 +0100, JTM wrote:

In article , The Medway
Handyman wrote:

Nobody is quite sure where the Guvmint got this 8 minutes idea from, but
strangely there is no clinical outcome target. So if the ambulance
arrives in 7 minutes & the patient dies, thats a success.
Several years of studying outcomes from responses to heart attack reports
in an experiment in Ohio. (and another couple of places) Best outcomes
were responsible for the action plan of:
1 get help,
even if it means leaving a non-breathing casualty. (early access)
2 give CPR
(if alone - start after returning from getting help) (early CPR)
3 Use defibrillator
(should arrive soon 'cos you went for help) (early defib)
4 Advanced care (drips drugs etc)
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Ohio? I imagine quite a few would want to avoid being helped because of the
cost. Not everyone has health cover there, and some of those who do have
exclusions based on pre-existing conditions.

On Aug 13, 2:22*pm, Colin Wilson
o.uk wrote:
I've had something building up for about 4 months and it finally hit
crisis point on tuesday - couldnt bend or straighten my lefy arm at
all (i'm left handed), couldn't pick a phone up or hold a pen, severe
pain trying to move fingers at all - even a couple of mm, and
discolouration (darkening) of the arm and hand - it's also swollen.

Went to docs weds am and got an injection in the elbow... he said it'd
take a couple of days to kick in.

I know it's only thursday night, but there's no relief at all, in fact
at times it seems to be intensifying with pain hitting even when
keeping it still, but this comes in waves - often shortly AFTER taking
painkillers (ibuprofen and dihydrocodeine 30mg). I think i'm getting
numbness and tingling a bit more often now as well...

Has anyone else had this, who can give me a clue how quick the
injections normally start to work ?

The NHS Direct site simply suggests calling 999 !NOW!

Thanks :-}

Injections may not be what you need:
tennis elbow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF-mltactIs
forearms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YKynR31ag