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Andy Dingley April 23rd 09 07:02 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
I have some high-bay lamps to install in the workshop, where they'll
be high up, awkward to access and connected via flex. A sensible
connector for them seems to be these "Click Flow" connectors, rather
than the usual loop-in junction box.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLCT100C.html

They also have the claimed advantage of easy isolation for insulation
testing.


My question is, how much enclosure should I provide for these things?
If any?! I presume they're really intended for use in suspended
ceilings and just left dangling free there, I'm planning to hide them
somewhere about 8' above ground, in the lower parts of the roof.
Oddly they don't have any facility for permanently attaching them,
just dangling.


They're made by Scolmore, but I can't find them mentioned on their
site

http://www.scolmore.com

Andrew Gabriel April 23rd 09 07:48 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
In article ,
Andy Dingley writes:
I have some high-bay lamps to install in the workshop, where they'll
be high up, awkward to access and connected via flex. A sensible
connector for them seems to be these "Click Flow" connectors, rather
than the usual loop-in junction box.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLCT100C.html

They also have the claimed advantage of easy isolation for insulation
testing.


I would use Klik connectors, which come in several formats,
including a ceiling rose style...

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASPCR2000.html

They need to mount on a BESA box (circular conduit box).
The picture shows a stand-alone BESA ring, but IME they
don't come with that (although I've never bought them
from TLC).

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Bob Eager April 23rd 09 08:08 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:48:37 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
Andy Dingley writes:
I have some high-bay lamps to install in the workshop, where they'll
be high up, awkward to access and connected via flex. A sensible
connector for them seems to be these "Click Flow" connectors, rather
than the usual loop-in junction box.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLCT100C.html

They also have the claimed advantage of easy isolation for insulation
testing.


I would use Klik connectors, which come in several formats,
including a ceiling rose style...

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASPCR2000.html

They need to mount on a BESA box (circular conduit box).
The picture shows a stand-alone BESA ring, but IME they
don't come with that (although I've never bought them
from TLC).


Yes, I used these at home and they are very good. You normally seem to
get the three parts pictuered - the connector (into which the flex is
fitted), a clip-on cover with a flex hole in it, and the actual base.
The BESA box isn't pictured, but is standard.

One point - they don't have loop-in terminals so you'll need to wire
slightly differently, or use junction boxes.

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Bob Eager April 23rd 09 08:08 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:46:19 UTC, Owain
wrote:

They don't look like the sort of thing I'd like to have just dangling;
not sure if there's any cable clamp on the male side.


There is.

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Tim S April 23rd 09 08:39 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
Bob Eager coughed up some electrons that declared:

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:46:19 UTC, Owain
wrote:

They don't look like the sort of thing I'd like to have just dangling;
not sure if there's any cable clamp on the male side.


There is.


Confirmed -I have some.

The thing that lets them down is the lack of fixing point in the female
side. It would be nice to be able to crew it down. Having said that, a
cbale clip close by keeps it steady.

ARWadsworth April 23rd 09 09:10 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:48:37 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In article
,
Andy Dingley writes:
I have some high-bay lamps to install in the workshop, where they'll
be high up, awkward to access and connected via flex. A sensible
connector for them seems to be these "Click Flow" connectors, rather
than the usual loop-in junction box.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLCT100C.html

They also have the claimed advantage of easy isolation for insulation
testing.


I would use Klik connectors, which come in several formats,
including a ceiling rose style...

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASPCR2000.html

They need to mount on a BESA box (circular conduit box).
The picture shows a stand-alone BESA ring, but IME they
don't come with that (although I've never bought them
from TLC).


Yes, I used these at home and they are very good. You normally seem to
get the three parts pictuered - the connector (into which the flex is
fitted), a clip-on cover with a flex hole in it, and the actual base.
The BESA box isn't pictured, but is standard.

One point - they don't have loop-in terminals so you'll need to wire
slightly differently, or use junction boxes.



They do have loop in terminals. You can also buy them with 4 pin plugs for
use with emergency lighting

Adam



Andrew Gabriel April 23rd 09 09:26 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
In article ,
"Bob Eager" writes:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:48:37 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:
I would use Klik connectors, which come in several formats,
including a ceiling rose style...

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASPCR2000.html

They need to mount on a BESA box (circular conduit box).
The picture shows a stand-alone BESA ring, but IME they
don't come with that (although I've never bought them
from TLC).


Yes, I used these at home and they are very good. You normally seem to
get the three parts pictuered - the connector (into which the flex is
fitted), a clip-on cover with a flex hole in it, and the actual base.
The BESA box isn't pictured, but is standard.


The socket is propped up on what looks like a stand-alone
BESA box in the picture.

One point - they don't have loop-in terminals so you'll need to wire
slightly differently, or use junction boxes.


Real Klik ones do.
(It becomes the 4th terminal in the red 4 terminal versions
for emergency lighting.)

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Andrew Gabriel
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Bob Eager April 23rd 09 09:41 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:10:57 UTC, "ARWadsworth"
wrote:

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:48:37 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

In article
,
Andy Dingley writes:
I have some high-bay lamps to install in the workshop, where they'll
be high up, awkward to access and connected via flex. A sensible
connector for them seems to be these "Click Flow" connectors, rather
than the usual loop-in junction box.

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLCT100C.html

They also have the claimed advantage of easy isolation for insulation
testing.

I would use Klik connectors, which come in several formats,
including a ceiling rose style...

http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/ASPCR2000.html

They need to mount on a BESA box (circular conduit box).
The picture shows a stand-alone BESA ring, but IME they
don't come with that (although I've never bought them
from TLC).


Yes, I used these at home and they are very good. You normally seem to
get the three parts pictuered - the connector (into which the flex is
fitted), a clip-on cover with a flex hole in it, and the actual base.
The BESA box isn't pictured, but is standard.

One point - they don't have loop-in terminals so you'll need to wire
slightly differently, or use junction boxes.


They do have loop in terminals. You can also buy them with 4 pin plugs for
use with emergency lighting


Mine didn't, but this was a whle ago and I probably ordered the wrong
ones! It didn't matter in this particular case, anyway.

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Bob Eager April 23rd 09 09:46 PM

Lighting isolation connectors - how much enclosure required?
 
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:26:42 UTC, (Andrew
Gabriel) wrote:

Yes, I used these at home and they are very good. You normally seem to
get the three parts pictuered - the connector (into which the flex is
fitted), a clip-on cover with a flex hole in it, and the actual base.
The BESA box isn't pictured, but is standard.


The socket is propped up on what looks like a stand-alone
BESA box in the picture.


Ooops - missed that!

One point - they don't have loop-in terminals so you'll need to wire
slightly differently, or use junction boxes.


Real Klik ones do.
(It becomes the 4th terminal in the red 4 terminal versions
for emergency lighting.)


These *are* real Klik ones - at least, they have it on them and were
bought from RS or CPC...but it was a while ago. If they'd had a fourth
terminal I'd have used it, so perhaps that has changed. I must have
bought them ten years ago.
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