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clumsy ******* wrote:
Frank Erskine wrote:
They all (?) seem to think that their 'customers' have to play a part
by doing their work for them.

you want to dispose of unsorted rubbish and the council sort it
afterwards?

Yes please!!!

I'd be happy with just two bins - mixed contaminated muck and
stuff useful for the waste authority. They can use magnets and
stuff to pull steel and aluminium out and lasers and wotnot for
plastics.

Our council is currently circulating a questionaire. It's impossible
complete the online one without lying.

* No I do not support increasing recycling
* Yes I support increasing recycling and want more recycling sites
* Yes I support increasing recycling and want more collection of
recycling

None of the above, please.

Sorry, not allowed. You must select one of the above options.

* Incentives to decrease waste
* Incentives to increase recyling.

None of the above, please. I want to continue minimising my waste
//and// minimising my recycling.

The whole "residents must increase recyling" is butchering the
english language. I have no use for scrap steel and paper. I
can't recycle it. All I can do is pass it on to the waste
collection authority and let //them// recycle it.

--
JGH

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clumsy ******* wrote:
Bruce wrote:

That's probably why so many councils have gone to (or are planning to go
to) fortnightly collections.

we are weekly for recyclable but fortnightly for landfill, so at least
the stinky stuff goes weekly.


Same here.

But it takes two wagons to collect the recyclables - one for paper and
one for plastic bottles/tins, the latter two in one bin.

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Adrian C coughed up some electrons that declared:

Tim S wrote:

FFS - I only deal with 2 houses and I can't remember which colour scheme
is which.

LOL. Confusing it is :-)

http://www.harrow.gov.uk/downloads/W...housholds).pdf

http://www.harrow.gov.uk/downloads/W...booklet_2_.pdf

In response to your question Tim, glass bottles ends up in our blue bin
but not glass cups for some reason.

Ah right.

So that's as near to perfection as I think is possible, given the councils
won't sort at their end from one bin.

I don't think it could be much simpler: Compost, all (practically)
recyclables and crap.

So many councils across the land, all running about headless with the
notion of they must do something green - and individually experimenting
with what should be the standard method of doing things.

Harrow did such an experiment (read: lost money) before the current
scheme, by giving out 'green boxes' - a smaller version of the recycle
bin that was picked up by a van with segregated compartments, which the
crew distributed the contents of the boxes into. Now this happens back
at the depot - or somewhere else. Hopefully closer than China.

All of this is calling out for a national body, staffed by experts
setting standards and making recommendations*, and deciding the colour
of waste bins and collection methods... and due to those standards -
then able to run national campaigns so that everyone knew what they
should be doing in what bin etc...

So, AFAIAC, the best solution ("only" 3 bins, minimised work for the
resident) appears to be that employed by Harrow - and having established
that, there is now no further excuse for random councils inflicting worse
(4,5 or more bins) systems with a greater amount of faff for the resident
on people.

What happens when you have a scheme that's too troublesome, is people can be
bothered.

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Adrian C wrote:

Harrow did such an experiment (read: lost money) before the current
scheme, by giving out 'green boxes' - a smaller version of the recycle
bin that was picked up by a van with segregated compartments, which the
crew distributed the contents of the boxes into. Now this happens back
at the depot - or somewhere else. Hopefully closer than China.

We had a pilot a bit like that for a year with a blue box. It would take
bottles, cans, paper, but not card (which was a big limitation). They
hand sorted it into a green compartmentalised bin van. You could always
tell where they were from the noise of them tipping boxes of bottles
into a large metal container - it was deafening!

(I think they worked out it was a bit cumbersome in the end - not least
because some of the blue boxes had no holes in the base so they filled
with water and became hard to lift. Some had holes, so they deposited
their water all over your feet when you picked em up ;-)

All of this is calling out for a national body, staffed by experts
setting standards and making recommendations*, and deciding the colour
of waste bins and collection methods... and due to those standards -
then able to run national campaigns so that everyone knew what they
should be doing in what bin etc...

Who ran 'Keep Britain Tidy'?

I expect part of the trouble is that the value of the recyclable
materials varies around the country - making collection of the same
things not possible in all places. Apparently many councils are stuck
with huge stock piles of stuff they have collected which has
insufficient value in it to make it attractive enough to give away at
the moment. Hence hangers full of paper and glass etc.

--
Cheers,

John.

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On 22 Jan, 08:07, Rod wrote:
Adam Aglionby wrote:
On 21 Jan, 16:49, "Fred Finisterre" wrote:
It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

Thanks,

Fred.

Ask your local council if they have invested in one of these:

http://www.cfl-lamprecycling.com/

Perhaps a local supermarket is having one fitted, perhaps not....

Adam

The concept that every household that has a CFL to dispose of has to
contact their council to ask is madness. (Though it might indeed be
necessary in some places.) Unless the councils manage to tell their
residents, they have fallen over on the starting blocks.

Point was trying to make is there is a heck of a push for people to
install the things with very little being done to deal with the waste,
which whatever way you cut it is a lot more unpleasant than expired
tungsten filament lamps.

Adam

To be fair to ours, we get a leaflet with holiday arrangements and other
details every so often - at least once a year.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

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clumsy ******* wrote:
Bruce wrote:


That's probably why so many councils have gone to (or are planning to go
to) fortnightly collections.


we are weekly for recyclable but fortnightly for landfill, so at least
the stinky stuff goes weekly.


Since so many of us are describing what our local council is doing,
here's a report for (parts of) Halton Borough (Runcorn & Widnes)

Black wheely bin for landfill
Green wheely bin (garden waste) collected fortnightly between spring and
autumn.
Blue small wheelybin for paper, card, metal, glass, plastic collected
fornightly.

Low-cost compost bins available online (we have 2)

Nett result is that we usually have about 1 carrier bag full of waste to
go in the landfill per week, with everything else being composted or
sent for recycling.

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It's one of these:

http://astore.amazon.co.uk/8470321-21/detail/B00133SDV6

Anyone know how do I dispose of it safely/greenly?

You could ask your council if they have any special facilities.
If it was a personal purchase, and not a business purchase,
you can send it back to the supplier for them to dispose of it
free of charge (although I don't think they have to pay the
return P&P costs).

However, at the moment, in the UK pretty much all domestic
fluorescent lamp waste just goes in regular landfill, and most
schemes that involve trying to deal with returning one lamp
for green disposal will generate more polution than the lamp
contains, such as driving to some recycling facility. These
lamps have a disposal tax on them for paying for safe disposal,
but there don't seem to be any schemes in place yet for
collecting them from domestic waste.

Before the lamp died, did you find it worked well.
How long did it last?
What sort of fitting and position was it run in?

I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

Were they in enclosed fittings, or installed hangind down? Both are
killers for these sorts of lamps.



Upright, with no shade.

--
Graham.

%Profound_observation%

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clumsy ******* wrote:
jgharston wrote:

you want to dispose of unsorted rubbish and the council sort it
afterwards?
Yes please!!!

I'd be happy with just two bins - mixed contaminated muck and
stuff useful for the waste authority.

they no doubt can sort some stuff fairly easily, but compostable
cannot be told from landfill, can it? Can a machine sort paper from
glass , plastics and metals?

Sure. Heat it enough and the glass and metal goes to the bottom, and the
paper goes up in smoke.

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clumsy ******* wrote:
Adrian C wrote:

glass cups for some reason.

IIRC they cant do toughened glass

Nor Pyrex (i.e. borosilicate, heat resistant) glass.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

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Adam Aglionby wrote:

Point was trying to make is there is a heck of a push for people to
install the things with very little being done to deal with the waste,
which whatever way you cut it is a lot more unpleasant than expired
tungsten filament lamps.

Adam


I was getting at the councils for *not* doing what they need to do.
Totally agreed - the whole 'green' thing is chock full of
half-thought-through things.

--
Rod

Hypothyroidism is a seriously debilitating condition with an insidious
onset.
Although common it frequently goes undiagnosed.
www.thyromind.info www.thyroiduk.org www.altsupportthyroid.org

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The message
from "Man at B&Q" contains these words:


I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

Were they in enclosed fittings, or installed hangind down? Both are
killers for these sorts of lamps.

Let's get into the real world. Most lamps are installed "hanging down"
-- i.e. cap up -- and a great many are installed in enclosed fittings.
If lamps are not developed sufficiently to be reliable in such
orientations and environments, they'd not developed sufficiently to
replace incandescent lamps.

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clumsy ******* wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

and the
paper goes up in smoke.

Hmmm, not really what we want.

If it saves using fossil fuel, its a positive.


The biggest renewable energy source currently in the UK is methane
digesters and waste incinerators. Way over all the windmills/hydro/solar
put together.

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Appin wrote:
The message
from "Man at B&Q" contains these words:


I have dissected some recently. The Philips 11W ones were completely
dead, but the tubes themselves showed no discolouration at the ends,
so I took a look at the ballasts
The reservoir capacitors have gone high ESR, and are bulging
at the top.http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/philips_cfl.jpg

Were they in enclosed fittings, or installed hangind down? Both are
killers for these sorts of lamps.

Let's get into the real world. Most lamps are installed "hanging down"
-- i.e. cap up -- and a great many are installed in enclosed fittings.
If lamps are not developed sufficiently to be reliable in such
orientations and environments, they'd not developed sufficiently to
replace incandescent lamps.

SSSHH.

Don't confuse religion with facts.

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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:45:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

clumsy ******* wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

and the
paper goes up in smoke.

Hmmm, not really what we want.

If it saves using fossil fuel, its a positive.

The biggest renewable energy source currently in the UK is methane
digesters and waste incinerators. Way over all the windmills/hydro/solar
put together.

True - and a much better use for them than recycling paper ever will be.
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:45:48 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Let's get into the real world. Most lamps are installed "hanging down"
-- i.e. cap up -- and a great many are installed in enclosed fittings.
If lamps are not developed sufficiently to be reliable in such
orientations and environments, they'd not developed sufficiently to
replace incandescent lamps.

SSSHH.

Don't confuse religion with facts.

Beliefs and truths are mutually exclusive.
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:08:25 +0000, clumsy ******* wrote:

I notice Cumbria dont do recycling at out of the way spots, presumably
because its inefficient to send three or four wagons to a remote spot.

Eh? We have the weekly landfill collection (blue bag), fortnightly green
box (paper, metal, glass) and on the other fornightly green wheelie bin
for compost (spring to autumn, winter 4 weekly. You can't get much more
remote in Cumbria than us.

What we don't have is particulary good recycling banks though the one in
Nenthead is OK as that does plastic (bottles and bags) which would
otherwise go for landfill. The down side is that it requires a special
trip which somewhat defeats the object, if there was one in Alston visits
to that that could be tagged onto the normal trips.

The green box wagon is a specialist recycling one with seperate
compartments for paper, metal and glass. The compost truck is just one of
the normal type landfill wagons.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:22:59 +0000, clumsy ******* wrote:

I dont know why we didnt come up with more standardisation, every
council has its own scheme.

It is very striking from the posts here that there is huge variation over
the country about almost every aspect of council recycling. This is daft,
it needs to be KISS for the householder or it won't happen.

The compostable has been a problem with maggots in the summer,

All our food waste goes onto our compost heap along with the cross cut
shreddings from paper containing personal information. The green compost
bin only gets nasty weeds like thistle and ragwort.

we now use the permitted brown paper bags with non permitted
biodegradable plastic bags hidden inside.

Does the council provide the brown paper bags or do you have to source/buy
them?

--
Cheers
Dave.

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On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:07:33 +0000, Rod wrote:

Said something like all domestic bins are going to be scrapped. We will
have bigger bins serving several properties - every 20 houses or
whatever.

Hey that'll be fun, I wonder how many miles I'll have to drive to it?
Nearest neighbours are 1/2 a mile away as the crow flies and their
nearest another 1/2 mile etc. Most down/up tracks from the public highway.

The communal bin area worked reasonably well when I lived in a block of
owner/occupier flats in Bristol. But being owner/occupiers rather than
tenants probably made a difference. I can just imagine what it would be
like on rough council estate.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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John Rumm wrote:
Adrian C wrote:

Harrow did such an experiment (read: lost money) before the current
scheme, by giving out 'green boxes' - a smaller version of the recycle
bin that was picked up by a van with segregated compartments,

We had a pilot a bit like that for a year with a blue box. It would take
bottles, cans, paper, but not card (which was a big limitation). They
hand sorted it into a green compartmentalised bin van.

The big problem with those is how slowly they wend their way down
single-lane residential streets, bottling up everyone behind them, while
they sort the stuff in-situ. At least when I get stuck behind a normal
bin-lorry they're rolling along as quick as the guys can bring the bins
to the tail-lift, so it's not too long before I can nip down a side-road
and get round them.

Pete

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In message , clumsy *******
wrote
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans

thats par for the course everywhere, or soon will be

and it all goes to the same landfill.

The problem is not going to be solved by recycling. What is needed is
less packaging and stopping the couple of tons of paper junk per year
that is pushed through each letter box.

--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

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In message , Tim S
wrote

What happens when you have a scheme that's too troublesome, is people can be
bothered.



Our local council distributed small plastic buckets with lids for food
waste. The first high wind afterwards saw them distributed down the
nearest road and into the traffic.
--
Alan
news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:07:33 +0000, Rod wrote:

Said something like all domestic bins are going to be scrapped. We will
have bigger bins serving several properties - every 20 houses or
whatever.

Hey that'll be fun, I wonder how many miles I'll have to drive to it?

Probably less than the miles you drove to buy the stuff in the first
place. You've driven it in one direction, what's the problem with taking
it back when you're done with it?

Still - at least these new bulbs last a damn sight longer than the old
incandescent ones (heh!)

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PeterC wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:45:48 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Let's get into the real world. Most lamps are installed "hanging down"
-- i.e. cap up -- and a great many are installed in enclosed fittings.
If lamps are not developed sufficiently to be reliable in such
orientations and environments, they'd not developed sufficiently to
replace incandescent lamps.
SSSHH.

Don't confuse religion with facts.

Beliefs and truths are mutually exclusive.

No, Facts are subject to belief, and the truth is, as always unknowable.

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clumsy ******* wrote:
Alan wrote:

and it all goes to the same landfill.

some does for the moment

The problem is not going to be solved by recycling. What is needed is
less packaging and stopping the couple of tons of paper junk per year
that is pushed through each letter box.

dont stop there, it needs an end to growth to really change things.

The banks have seen to that. All Hail the Banks!

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clumsy ******* wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Don't confuse religion with facts.
Beliefs and truths are mutually exclusive.
No, Facts are subject to belief, and the truth is, as always unknowable.

fair enough, I should have said "current scientific theory" and
"beliefs" sometimes coincide. Except in the USA it seems.

Its not like that.

Belief of a sort necessarily precedes 'factual' knowldege.

The hierarchy of knowledge is

- Reality: always unknowable and vastly larger than anyone can handle.

- Perception: What SEEMS to be the case, organised however by making
certain assumptions about experience..our perceptions organise the raw
data of experience into recognisable objects and events. Arguably this
implies a 'belief' that they CAN be so organised..and guidelines alng
which they should be organised.

- Memory and thought. What we TELL ourselves and each other is actually
real. A definite shorthand and compression of perception into ideas,
objects concepts. We do not, for example, tell ourselves that what we
did today consisted mainly in breathing in and out. However, arguably
that is probably the most important thing we DID do..yet another
'belief' process is going on here, to say what is important and what is
not...

- mathematical models of the above, which depend on yet another belief
that not only have we translated experience into perceptible phenomena,
but have selected the appropriate elements of those to model, and that
they are in fact capable of modeling.

The difference between good science, and faith, is that science
recognizes that the 'if we assume...then...' statements implicit in it,
are ad hoc and subject to scrutiny.

Faith, on the other hand, or bad science, assumes that the 'if we
assume' can be replaced by a flat statement of infallible belief.

Science therefore can develop by re-assessing implicit assumptions if
any stage of the above proves to produce a result that contradicts the
predictions.

Faith based thinking cannot. it merely reorders the results to conform
with the predictions, even unto the point of being in total
contradiction with its own predictions.

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Back to the OP's original question.

By coincience there was a local council meeting last night
and I asked the very question: how does a householder
dispose of fluorescent lamps?

The answer:
Put them in the black bin (mixed waste). They are /not/
hazardous waste in the quantities that householders
dispose of them, ignore all the scaremongering being
peddled by misinformed idiots with their own agenda.

--
JGH - In Sheffield

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jgharston wrote:
Back to the OP's original question.

By coincience there was a local council meeting last night
and I asked the very question: how does a householder
dispose of fluorescent lamps?

The answer:
Put them in the black bin (mixed waste). They are /not/
hazardous waste in the quantities that householders
dispose of them, ignore all the scaremongering being
peddled by misinformed idiots with their own agenda.


In the same way that 99% of low level radioactive waste isn't dangerous,
either.


--
JGH - In Sheffield

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clumsy ******* wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Put them in the black bin (mixed waste). They are /not/
hazardous waste in the quantities that householders
dispose of them, ignore all the scaremongering being
peddled by misinformed idiots with their own agenda.

In the same way that 99% of low level radioactive waste isn't dangerous,
either.

somebody suggested we spread all the nuclear waste around
*everybodies* property and it will not then pose a threat!

exactly.

Or dump it in the sea, and let nature do it for you.

In reality, only stuff contaminated with high half life heavy elements
is a real problem.

Stuff with half lives of a few years, just needs to be kept at low
average concentrations for a few years.

The slight problem is if it gets into food chains, and gets concentrated
by biochemical process. Like iodine (thyroid) and caesium (bones) does.

The problem is that to the average man on the Clapham bus, radioactive
is nasty, no mater what it is. Unless its smoke alarms, when Its a Good
Thing.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Stuff with half lives of a few years, just needs to be kept at low
average concentrations for a few years.

Indeed, when I used to work with such things, Iodine 125 was stored in
the fridge until it decayed to background. Which avoided problems with
disposal. During one inspection, I pointed out that given the permitted
whole body dose of radiation, we could safely dispose of it by putting
the fresh isotope into the technicians' tea. They would be most unlikely
to accumulate enough of a dose to cause a health problem.

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clumsy ******* wrote:
Bruce wrote:

But it takes two wagons to collect the recyclables - one for paper
and one for plastic bottles/tins, the latter two in one bin.

makes sense, our bottles and tins are in one bin. I notice Cumbria
dont do recycling at out of the way spots, presumably because its
inefficient to send three or four wagons to a remote spot. In town it
probably makes little difference if 4 wagons are going round getting
everything or four wagons specialising.

http://www.letsrecycle.com/do/ecco.p...stitemid=10928

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Phil the Farmer wrote:
clumsy ******* wrote:
Bruce wrote:


That's probably why so many councils have gone to (or are planning
to go to) fortnightly collections.


we are weekly for recyclable but fortnightly for landfill, so at
least the stinky stuff goes weekly.


Since so many of us are describing what our local council is doing,
here's a report for (parts of) Halton Borough (Runcorn & Widnes)

Black wheely bin for landfill
Green wheely bin (garden waste) collected fortnightly between spring
and autumn.
Blue small wheelybin for paper, card, metal, glass, plastic collected
fornightly.

Low-cost compost bins available online (we have 2)

Nett result is that we usually have about 1 carrier bag full of waste
to go in the landfill per week, with everything else being composted
or sent for recycling.

Sadly, I have to confess that we have more than this. 9x% of our putresibles
go to the home composters along with all garden waste ( other than trees
which I've had to knock down last year). I thankfully found a neighbour with
a wood burning stove that was keen to collect the big bits!

For many years, we have always taken separated white/ green/ brown glass to
separate collection facilities when going shopping. The local council
collect all glass in one and thereby reduce the value. The local Tesco which
we use most frequently has now gone on to common collection of all glass.
Most annoying as clear glass has a value in the UK whilst the other two do
not - not quite true but green and brown of lower value.

With the over-persecution of plastic bags now, I can see a wonderous new
product being sold for kitchen bins - bin-liner bags!

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Rod wrote:
clumsy ******* wrote:
"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans

thats par for the course everywhere, or soon will be

Or maybe not!

The other day I noticed a large headline on one of the daily
publications sometimes called newspapers. Said something like all
domestic bins are going to be scrapped. We will have bigger bins
serving several properties - every 20 houses or whatever.

Struck me that there could be some advantages:

o Someone else is responsible for keeping them clean and working;
o Less of our garden occupied by bins;
o Possibly emptied more frequently;
o No rushing out with bins to catch the collection;

On the other hand:

o We don't want one next door to us;
o Can't imagine that, except in a few places, people will respect
them and use them all appropriately, quietly and tidily;
o I don't fancy having to walk down the street every time a bin needs
emptying. And partner can't.

Quite. There is a real issue here that hasn't quite been appreciated yet. My
father, fiercely independent in his mid 80s cannot move his wheelie bins to
the kerb and we have to rely upon the kindness of a neighbour. My wife's
mother of a similar age and situation has to rely upon the kindness of
neighbours in their 70s to take her waste to the kerb.

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clumsy ******* wrote:
Rod wrote:

thats par for the course everywhere, or soon will be

Or maybe not!

The other day I noticed a large headline on one of the daily
publications sometimes called newspapers. Said something like all
domestic bins are going to be scrapped. We will have bigger bins
serving several properties - every 20 houses or whatever.

like in Spain where there are lots of flats

Struck me that there could be some advantages:

o Someone else is responsible for keeping them clean and working;
o Less of our garden occupied by bins;
o Possibly emptied more frequently;
o No rushing out with bins to catch the collection;

On the other hand:

o We don't want one next door to us;

indeed, dont know where they would go here

o Can't imagine that, except in a few places, people will respect
them and use them all appropriately, quietly and tidily;

the Spanish ones look a mess


o I don't fancy having to walk down the street every time a bin
needs emptying. And partner can't.

you would need a bin to collect stuff together till it was worth going
to the bigger bin....

Ah, a plastic bag?

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Rod wrote:
Tim S wrote:
clumsy ******* coughed up some electrons that declared:

"ARWadsworth" wrote:

Barnsley "four bins" council have

grey - rubbish
green - garden waste and cardboard (1)(2)
blue - paper (3)
brown - glass and cans
thats par for the course everywhere, or soon will be

Harrow (London) manage with 3: Rubbish (brown IIRC), garden+food
(green) and all other recyclables (blue).

If councils want people to participate in complicated schemes, they
need to make it as simple as possible and I think Harrow have found
that. Now they've set the standard I see no excuse why it can;t become a
national standard. From a householder's POV it's about as simple as
it could possibly be - the council have to do some work with the
blue bin, I assume, to sort it at the depot, but that's what we're
paying council tax for. Cheers

Tim

Get stuffed! :-) - *You* can change to *our* local scheme. And you
can pay for the change of bins that would be required.

(We have grey/black, green, paper and cardboard (green top on back
box) and plastic/cans (black lid/black box but different design to
paper box). No glass collection.

Mind, I agree a national agreement on colour schemes would have been
sensible - up to the point at which they redefine allowable content in
one area but not another. (E.g. allow/disallow cans or glass alongside
plastic bottles in the same box.) That would again require change of
bin colour with attendant costs. And of course, some councils seem to
choose perversely different colours for their own reasons (maroon
instead of grey in Reading?).

I have to agree. I cannot understand how these differing colour codings have
been allowed to arise with their differing conditions as to what goes into
each. Landfills are rare these days and collections from various council
areas go into them.

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:22:59 +0000, clumsy ******* wrote:

I dont know why we didnt come up with more standardisation, every
council has its own scheme.

It is very striking from the posts here that there is huge variation
over the country about almost every aspect of council recycling. This
is daft, it needs to be KISS for the householder or it won't happen.

Quite! T'is crazy.

A snip

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clumsy ******* wrote:
Adrian C wrote:

On a nice warm summers morning, the smell from uncollected festering
brown bins is unfortunately enough to bring up ye breakfast... :-(

its not good, is it. I might be OK for chavs who live on ready meals
but if you cook from scratch, fish guts and seafood waste are
particularly bad. A lot of people just put stuff directly in the bin,
we did that at first and just got a mass of maggots, so we now wrap
everything.

In......plastic to avoid the aroma?

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John Rumm wrote:
Adrian C wrote:

Snip

All of this is calling out for a national body, staffed by experts
setting standards and making recommendations*, and deciding the
colour of waste bins and collection methods... and due to those
standards - then able to run national campaigns so that everyone
knew what they should be doing in what bin etc...

Who ran 'Keep Britain Tidy'?

I expect part of the trouble is that the value of the recyclable
materials varies around the country - making collection of the same
things not possible in all places. Apparently many councils are stuck
with huge stock piles of stuff they have collected which has
insufficient value in it to make it attractive enough to give away at
the moment. Hence hangers full of paper and glass etc.

I recognise your point. However I don't think we should get too hung up on
this at the moment. The value of all commodities has gone down (or is highly
unstable) as a result of the kwedit kwunch. The value of the £ has gone down
dramatically meaning that our recyclable waste is more attractive in
international markets provided that some idiot jobsworth in the Environment
Agency doesn't block things as they did with the decommissioning of US
military ships a few years ago.

OK, stockpiling of waste waiting for the right price is a strange concept to
us but this has been the case with raw materials/products for decades if not
centuries.

I'm not advocating this for putrescibles, by the way! :)

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Rod wrote:
clumsy ******* wrote:
Adrian C wrote:

glass cups for some reason.

IIRC they cant do toughened glass

Nor Pyrex (i.e. borosilicate, heat resistant) glass.

What's the technical issue here? I should probably be able to recognise, but
don't.

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clumsy ******* wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

dont stop there, it needs an end to growth to really change things.

The banks have seen to that. All Hail the Banks!

well, the old pound note was green!

:)