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Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that
analogue radio will go the same way? Dave |
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Dave coughed up some electrons that declared:
Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Dave It's not as clear cut - especially as there are multiple audio radio bands (SW, LW, MW and VHF/FM). Last I heard was DAB was in a bit of trouble generally, so I don't expect we'll lose the lot. I would expect the AM bands to continue forever even if they pull FM to make room for digital. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Dave No Dave.. Regards. Micky Leeds U.K. |
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"Dave" wrote in message ... Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Dave No you are not correct - http://help.digitaluk.co.uk/al/197/1...?aid=6096&bt=4 Peter |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:42:19 +0000, Tim S wrote:
It's not as clear cut - especially as there are multiple audio radio bands (SW, LW, MW and VHF/FM). Last I heard was DAB was in a bit of trouble generally, so I don't expect we'll lose the lot. I would expect the AM bands to continue forever even if they pull FM to make room for digital. There was this one recently: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7792083.stm .... very much reading between the lines, but if the decline in use is sharp on both FM and AM, then I don't know if AM's future is secure. Shame, as digital TV seems prone to signal break-up (where an analogue broadcast might survive, just at low quality) and the extra bandwidth just means more channels of utter ****e, rather than a few better ones. Digital radio is presumably just as prone... cheers Jules |
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Dave wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Seems undesirable. It's not too hard to plug a £10 freeview box into your telly, but replacing a car radio is a different matter for the average punter - and a pain in the arse for anyone in those cars that have the damn thing custom-built into the dash. Pete |
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Tim S wrote:
Dave coughed up some electrons that declared: Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Dave It's not as clear cut - especially as there are multiple audio radio bands (SW, LW, MW and VHF/FM). Last I heard was DAB was in a bit of trouble generally, so I don't expect we'll lose the lot. I would expect the AM bands to continue forever even if they pull FM to make room for digital. Thanks for pointing out my non thinking of bands other than FM :-) Dave |
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Jules wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:42:19 +0000, Tim S wrote: It's not as clear cut - especially as there are multiple audio radio bands (SW, LW, MW and VHF/FM). Last I heard was DAB was in a bit of trouble generally, so I don't expect we'll lose the lot. I would expect the AM bands to continue forever even if they pull FM to make room for digital. There was this one recently: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7792083.stm ... very much reading between the lines, but if the decline in use is sharp on both FM and AM, then I don't know if AM's future is secure. Shame, as digital TV seems prone to signal break-up (where an analogue broadcast might survive, just at low quality) and the extra bandwidth just means more channels of utter ****e, rather than a few better ones. Digital radio is presumably just as prone... Our TV aerial looks through quite a tall tree and in spring, summer and autumn we get picture loss using free view due to the wet foliage when it rains. Dave |
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Micky Savage wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message ... Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Dave No Dave.. Thanks Dave |
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"Pete Verdon" d wrote in message ... Dave wrote: Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Seems undesirable. It's not too hard to plug a £10 freeview box into your telly, but replacing a car radio is a different matter for the average punter - and a pain in the arse for anyone in those cars that have the damn thing custom-built into the dash. Then people who have radio/CDs will get a DAB radio and an iTrip whereas people who have radio/tape players will get a DAB radio and a cassette adapter. |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:39:11 +0000, Dave
wrote: Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? No -- Frank Erskine |
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Dave wrote: Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? No. There are no firm dates for switching off any radio service - unlike analogue TV. -- *This message has been ROT-13 encrypted twice for extra security * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Jules wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:42:19 +0000, Tim S wrote: It's not as clear cut - especially as there are multiple audio radio bands (SW, LW, MW and VHF/FM). Last I heard was DAB was in a bit of trouble generally, so I don't expect we'll lose the lot. I would expect the AM bands to continue forever even if they pull FM to make room for digital. There was this one recently: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7792083.stm ... very much reading between the lines, but if the decline in use is sharp on both FM and AM, then I don't know if AM's future is secure. Shame, as digital TV seems prone to signal break-up (where an analogue broadcast might survive, just at low quality) and the extra bandwidth just means more channels of utter ****e, rather than a few better ones. Digital radio is presumably just as prone... Oddly enough, channel 5 was ****e here on analogue, and is generally fine on digital. cheers Jules |
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:39:11 +0000 someone who may be Dave
wrote this:- Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Eventually? Possibly. In the short term? No. DAB is so outdated that only the UK is sticking with it (and even so the commercial sector is now leaving it to the BBC). Overseas they are using an improved DAB and the UK will follow eventually (though the officials concerned had yet to admit this the last time I checked). It is claimed that the manufacturers are slowly but quietly rolling out DAB+ radios, as the officials don't want to frighten the public. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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Jules wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:42:19 +0000, Tim S wrote: It's not as clear cut - especially as there are multiple audio radio bands (SW, LW, MW and VHF/FM). Last I heard was DAB was in a bit of trouble generally, so I don't expect we'll lose the lot. I would expect the AM bands to continue forever even if they pull FM to make room for digital. There was this one recently: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7792083.stm ... very much reading between the lines, but if the decline in use is sharp on both FM and AM, then I don't know if AM's future is secure. Shame, as digital TV seems prone to signal break-up (where an analogue broadcast might survive, just at low quality) and the extra bandwidth just means more channels of utter ****e, rather than a few better ones. Digital radio is presumably just as prone... I carry a DAB radio so I can listen to Radio 4 if working in unoccupied propertys. Reception in some parts of the Towns is non existent so I have to tune via FM. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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On 14 Jan, 08:17, David Hansen
wrote: On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:39:11 +0000 someone who may be Dave wrote this:- Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Eventually? Possibly. In the short term? No. DAB is so outdated that only the UK is sticking with it (and even so the commercial sector is now leaving it to the BBC). Overseas they are using an improved DAB and the UK will follow eventually (though the officials concerned had yet to admit this the last time I checked). It is claimed that the manufacturers are slowly but quietly rolling out DAB+ radios, as the officials don't want to frighten the public. One of the disadvantages of DAB and DAB+ is that portable receivers require a great deal more power to operate than analogue ones. I have a couple of portable FM/AM radios, each operated by a pair of AA batteries. I use 2800 mAh rechargeable NiMH AA batteries and get several weeks usage between recharges, using them for several hours a day. I don't think I get more than a couple of days usage out of the same batteries used in a DAB or DAB+ radio. Hmm - the UK government seems to be mandating a move from an old, energy efficient technology to one that uses 6 - 10 times more energy for the same output. Very 'Green'. I wonder how many coal-fired power station equivalents that adds up to across the country. It's not only the UK that has to decide whether to migrate from DAB (MP2 codec) to DAB+ (AAC+ codec) - also Norway, Denmark, Ireland and Switzerland. OB: d-i-y As a kid, I built my own crystal radio. Getting the sweet spot on the germanium contact was an interesting exercise. I don't think DAB or DAB + will be quite the same experience for kids these days. Sid |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote: Shame, as digital TV seems prone to signal break-up (where an analogue broadcast might survive, just at low quality) and the extra bandwidth just means more channels of utter ****e, rather than a few better ones. Digital radio is presumably just as prone... Oddly enough, channel 5 was ****e here on analogue, and is generally fine on digital. CH5 analogue can be poor here too - and I can see the Crystal Palace mast out of this window. Because it was squeezed in as an afterthought, it's often not that good where it can be subject to co-channel interference. So fine in the north of Scotland. ;-) -- Small asylum seeker wanted as mud flap, must be flexible and willing to travel Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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David Hansen wrote: DAB is so outdated that only the UK is sticking with it (and even so the commercial sector is now leaving it to the BBC). Well, being first with something often has downsides. The commercial channels which have given up on it - or not taken up their option - are doing so because they couldn't get enough listeners to make it profitable. But this is down to the artificially high charges made to transmit on DAB - it was expected to be a licence to print money like all these things. Overseas they are using an improved DAB and the UK will follow eventually (though the officials concerned had yet to admit this the last time I checked). It is claimed that the manufacturers are slowly but quietly rolling out DAB+ radios, as the officials don't want to frighten the public. It can only be a guess that DAB+ will prove a success. And by the time it arrives there will undoubtedly be a better system on the horizon. I've had DAB from pretty early on - when the data rate was not too bad. Only a tuner - never a portable radio - and that cost the thick end of 300 quid, even at trade price. But what is a fact is that very few indeed bothered with it. Price was said to be the problem - but that never really bother dyed in the wood Hi-Fi types. Probably because things had moved on and few bothered with radio for serious listening. But was a problem for the average casual use on a kitchen etc portable. As was battery life. So the data rates were reduced to the point where it no longer provided high quality audio - with the exception of R3. R4 being mainly speech based possibly too. Everything else suffered. Sales then took off. ;-) After heavy promotion. The one area where it does offer advantages is in car use - at least in decent signal areas. Round London, for example. It doesn't suffer from the fading and distortion you get with FM round high buildings, etc. But the lack of factory fit units and the cost of aftermarket ones means it's only for enthusiasts. And again most ICE types prefer their own choice of music rather than radio. Other fly in the ointment is DDTV - that carries most radio stations, and for the very low cost of a tuner gives decent enough quality for those who have problems with FM. And of course internet radio. So my prediction is DAB+ will make no difference to the popularity or otherwise of the service - unless things are split up so it gives a choice of stations not available elsewhere that the public actually want to listen to. -- *Reality? Is that where the pizza delivery guy comes from? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Oddly enough, channel 5 was ****e here on analogue, and is generally fine on digital. That could be because ch5 analogue is outside the channel grouping that your aerial was designed for. However the digital mux that carries ch5 is probably within channel grouping of your aerial |
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In article , Dave
scribeth thus Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Dave As many others have said no. It looks like FM will be around to stay for a long time yet. DAB is a poorly implemented digital radio system and there really ought be something better then the olde world system we have been lumbered with. One other reason is that the money grabbing government stands to make more revenue from digital TV spectrum but they won't from radio;!.. Cynic, moi:?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:39:32 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Plowman (News)" wrote this:- CH5 analogue can be poor here too - and I can see the Crystal Palace mast out of this window. Is that where your aerial is pointed though? If it is then, according to the not always reliable http://www.ukfree.tv/shutdowndetail.php?tx=TQ339712, it does not transmit analogue Channel 5. That channel was indeed squeezed in and may only have been available from another analogue transmitter in some places, as well as the aerial group problem someone else has mentioned if it was on the same transmitter. Given the post-switchover range of frequencies and your distance from the transmitter it looks like a log periodic aerial would be suitable http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#DMlog if you were thinking of changing aerial due to the age of the existing one. I suspect it won't improve analogue Channel 5 though, as that is not on the transmitter. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:19:11 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave
Plowman (News)" wrote this:- So my prediction is DAB+ will make no difference to the popularity or otherwise of the service - unless things are split up so it gives a choice of stations not available elsewhere that the public actually want to listen to. Personally the only DAB station I would like to get is BBC7. It is available on Freeview and satellite though and certainly not worth getting a DAB radio for. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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In article , David Hansen
scribeth thus On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:39:32 +0000 (GMT) someone who may be "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote this:- CH5 analogue can be poor here too - and I can see the Crystal Palace mast out of this window. Is that where your aerial is pointed though? If it is then, according to the not always reliable http://www.ukfree.tv/shutdowndetail.php?tx=TQ339712, it does not transmit analogue Channel 5. That channel was indeed squeezed in and may only have been available from another analogue transmitter in some places, as well as the aerial group problem someone else has mentioned if it was on the same transmitter. Given the post-switchover range of frequencies and your distance from the transmitter it looks like a log periodic aerial would be suitable http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#DMlog if you were thinking of changing aerial due to the age of the existing one. I suspect it won't improve analogue Channel 5 though, as that is not on the transmitter. Humm... I thought that channel 5 came from Croydon .. not the place;-)... http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/croydon/index.php -- Tony Sayer |
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"David Hansen" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:29:28 -0800 (PST) someone who may be wrote this:- One of the disadvantages of DAB and DAB+ is that portable receivers require a great deal more power to operate than analogue ones. The same is true of televisions I gather. Proponents claim that this is balanced by the relatively low power of the transmitters. I'm not convinced, but that is their claim. This is untrue of course. There is less chippery in a modern digital set so they use less power. Converting an old analogue set will use more power as you are adding a new bit. As for government being two faced with regard to power consumption/ climate change, that's nothing new. The charitable explanation is that it takes a long time for the message to permeate to many parts of government. The correct explanation is that the government know about the GW lie and are only using it for political ends. Why they don't just say that we are too dependent on other countries and need to reduce oil consumption I don't know. I do know that ten years ago any government that said they were going nuclear would suffer but now its accepted as inevitable by most. |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:43:15 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Shame, as digital TV seems prone to signal break-up (where an analogue broadcast might survive, just at low quality) and the extra bandwidth just means more channels of utter ****e, rather than a few better ones. Digital radio is presumably just as prone... Oddly enough, channel 5 was ****e here on analogue, and is generally fine on digital. I haven't seen C5 for many years; it wasn't transmitted to the area outside of Cambridge where I lived (something to do with it interfering with the university's astronomy dept. I believe) and I refused to pay x pounds/month for a bazillion digital channels when I was only ever going to watch four or five of them. |
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On Jan 13, 9:39*pm, Dave wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that when analogue TV is switched off that analogue radio will go the same way? Dave No. FM radio will continue beyond the analgue TV shut-down. AFAIK, no date has been suggested for shutting it down. Let's hope FM keeps going until the replacement is has as good sound quality (and is in full stereo). Robert |
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Jules wrote: I haven't seen C5 for many years; it wasn't transmitted to the area outside of Cambridge where I lived (something to do with it interfering with the university's astronomy dept. I believe) and I refused to pay x pounds/month for a bazillion digital channels when I was only ever going to watch four or five of them. You can get a DTTV STB these days for not a lot - and there's no extra payment over and above the licence fee. There is a lot of rubbish on some of the channels but hey - some must watch it. Others do repeats which can be useful. Also satellite is getting quite cheap to buy - and again quite a lot is free to air. -- *Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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RobertL wrote:
Let's hope FM keeps going until the replacement is has as good sound quality (and is in full stereo). Robert Since when has FM been in "full stereo"? A |
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"Andy Dee" wrote in message
... RobertL wrote: Let's hope FM keeps going until the replacement is has as good sound quality (and is in full stereo). Robert Since when has FM been in "full stereo"? What is "full stereo", given stereo is an attempt to give the impression of "full" when it isn't? Only asking - I'll get me coat... -- Bob Mannix (anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not |
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"Jules" wrote in message ail.com... I haven't seen C5 for many years; it wasn't transmitted to the area outside of Cambridge where I lived (something to do with it interfering with the university's astronomy dept. I believe) and I refused to pay x pounds/month for a bazillion digital channels when I was only ever going to watch four or five of them. ?? No monthly charges for Freeview. Tim |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:01:09 +0000, clumsy *******
wrote: "Bob Mannix" wrote: What is "full stereo", quadraphonic? That system for people with 4 ears. a real soundscape has height. -- Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd. http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:52:52 +0000, Tim Downie wrote:
"Jules" wrote in message ail.com... I haven't seen C5 for many years; it wasn't transmitted to the area outside of Cambridge where I lived (something to do with it interfering with the university's astronomy dept. I believe) and I refused to pay x pounds/month for a bazillion digital channels when I was only ever going to watch four or five of them. ?? No monthly charges for Freeview. Hmm, true, I had forgotten that it didn't have any monthly fees. I think it was the aerial cost (I had a crappy old thing in the loft) and decoder cost that put me off there. Not so much that the costs were astronomical, but more that I already had a good TV with a good analogue tuner which showed four channels (of which I'd take in 10% of programming at best) - paying yet more money for no real net gain doesn't seem like a particularly sensible thing to do. Maybe TV will one day go truly "pay only for what you use" in a similar way to books and music, and that might change things for the better... |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:39:41 +0000, Paul Herber wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:01:09 +0000, clumsy ******* wrote: "Bob Mannix" wrote: What is "full stereo", quadraphonic? That system for people with 4 ears. a real soundscape has height. stand on a chair. |
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clumsy ******* wrote:
"Bob Mannix" wrote: What is "full stereo", quadraphonic? That system for people with 4 ears. Captain Kirk out of Star Trek had 3 ears. The left ear. The right ear. and... The Final Front Ear. I'll get me coat... -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk |
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The Medway Handyman wrote: Captain Kirk out of Star Trek had 3 ears. The left ear. The right ear. and... The Final Front Ear. Those oldies amongst us will remember it being Davy Crockett - with a wild frontier... -- *Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Jonathan Campbell
scribeth thus wrote: On 14 Jan, 08:17, David Hansen [...] It's not only the UK that has to decide whether to migrate from DAB (MP2 codec) to DAB+ (AAC+ codec) - also Norway, Denmark, Ireland and Switzerland. What system does Ireland use now? DAB or DAB+? I'm in the North-West of Northern Ireland --- Irish DAB haas not been extended to here yet. Two things I like DAB for: 1. Test Match Special on BBC 5/Sports; 2. The ability to record onto SD card on my Pure Pure Digital DMX-50 (though the novelty does wear off). Best regards, Jon C. Its just plain old DAB... and I thought the Irish would have more sense;!.. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Bob Mannix
scribeth thus "Andy Dee" wrote in message ... RobertL wrote: Let's hope FM keeps going until the replacement is has as good sound quality (and is in full stereo). Robert Since when has FM been in "full stereo"? What is "full stereo", given stereo is an attempt to give the impression of "full" when it isn't? Only asking - I'll get me coat... DAB is capable, if thats the right word, of a ballsup called intensity Stereo which is a very poor relation to proper Stereo... But then again it doesn't matter too much as anyone who wants better quality will have FM.. DAB really only being suitable for portable Mono use. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:21:12 +0000 someone who may be Jonathan
Campbell wrote this:- What system does Ireland use now? DAB or DAB+? I'm in the North-West of Northern Ireland --- Irish DAB haas not been extended to here yet. http://www.rte.ie/digitalradio/faq_map.html shows a map with green in a few expected areas. As I understand it they are still using DAB. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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