victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? I need to get a replacement sill from an architectural salvage yard but I don't want to expose the old one (to measure the depth) until I am ready to actually do the replacement so I'd like to estimate the depth I need. and is it sill or cill? many thanks, Robert |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
RobertL wrote:
Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? Don't think so, no. I fitted one myself a few years ago and am pretty sure it didn't... the key thing of course is that the width 'buried' in the wall comfortably exceeds the width which is proud of the wall, as otherwise it will tip and fall out. The width of the proud bit will vary considerably depending on the design I would think. And BTW those things are *incredibly* heavy! I still have an intermittent pain in my shoulder as a result. Or maybe that was the matching stone lintel... David |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
On Nov 18, 2:49*pm, RobertL wrote:
Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. *Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? I need to get a replacement sill from an architectural salvage yard but I don't want to expose the old one (to measure the depth) until I am ready to actually do the replacement so I'd like to estimate the depth I need. and is it sill or cill? many thanks, Robert The sills in our 1880s victorian terrace house didn't and the sills in our 1830s house didn't either. There's no reason for them to do so as they are there for the window to sit on, not for the interior wooden sill to sit on. Contrast this with the hideously weighty full depth lintels dovetailed into the surrounding masonry, which we were to scared to move. David |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
RobertL wrote: Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? On a slightly later house (1910ish) mine did - almost. The plaster on it was a little thicker than the rest of the wall to compensate -- Kevin Poole ****Use current date to reply (e.g. )**** |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
"RobertL" wrote in message ... Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? I need to get a replacement sill from an architectural salvage yard but I don't want to expose the old one (to measure the depth) until I am ready to actually do the replacement so I'd like to estimate the depth I need. and is it sill or cill? many thanks, Robert Do you mean the width of the window opening? if so yes as mine comes right in to the end of the bricwork. |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
On Nov 18, 3:34*pm, "George" wrote:
"RobertL" wrote in message ... Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. *Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? I need to get a replacement sill from an architectural salvage yard but I don't want to expose the old one (to measure the depth) until I am ready to actually do the replacement so I'd like to estimate the depth I need. and is it sill or cill? many thanks, Robert Do you mean the width of the window opening? if so yes as mine comes right in to the end of the bricwork No, not the width, I meant the depth whether the inside edge of the sill is flush with the insied edge of the bricks. From what people say,m that is not normally the case. R |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
"RobertL" wrote in message ... On Nov 18, 3:34 pm, "George" wrote: "RobertL" wrote in message ... Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? I need to get a replacement sill from an architectural salvage yard but I don't want to expose the old one (to measure the depth) until I am ready to actually do the replacement so I'd like to estimate the depth I need. and is it sill or cill? many thanks, Robert Do you mean the width of the window opening? if so yes as mine comes right in to the end of the bricwork No, not the width, I meant the depth whether the inside edge of the sill is flush with the insied edge of the bricks. From what people say,m that is not normally the case. R Funny,depth means to me height and width the widness of a two brick wall. Anyway I know what you mean and mine extend inside flush with the bricwork and protrudes about two inches on the outside from the brick facia. |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
On Nov 18, 3:16*pm, Lobster wrote:
RobertL wrote: Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. *Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? Don't think so, no. *I fitted one myself a few years ago and am pretty sure it didn't... the key thing of course is that the width 'buried' in the wall comfortably exceeds the width which is proud of the wall, as otherwise it will tip and fall out. *The width of the proud bit will vary considerably depending on the design I would think. I will be trying to match the sills on the oethr windows so I can measure all the dimensions except the depth which is hidden of course. And BTW those things are *incredibly* heavy! yes, if its about 70cm x 10cm x 30cm thats 21 litres and the density of stone is about 2.2 kg/litre so thats about 46kg. So you'd need at least 2 people to lift it. Robert |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
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, RobertL wrote: Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? Having just removed one recently, no. Just one brick deep, as it were. I need to get a replacement sill from an architectural salvage yard but I don't want to expose the old one (to measure the depth) until I am ready to actually do the replacement so I'd like to estimate the depth I need. What width and where are you? I still have the one I removed (larger window installed) and is it sill or cill? Either. Especially if you're Scots. -- *Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
"RobertL" wrote in message ... snipped Do you mean the width of the window opening? if so yes as mine comes right in to the end of the bricwork No, not the width, I meant the depth whether the inside edge of the sill is flush with the insied edge of the bricks. From what people say,m that is not normally the case. R The stone sill normally sits atop the outer skin of stonework. Maybe an overlap on the inside of an inch, but not much more. Timber framing is then fixed inside the stonework to take the window and create a cavity to allow the sash weights to run up and down at the sides of the window. Timber sills are normally formed to overlap the outer stone sill and let rain drip away over the top of it. |
victorian window sill - laid across whole thickness of wall?
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s.com, RobertL writes Googling produces lots of diagrams of sash windows and sills, but nothing that I could find that answers my question below. Please can someone advise me? Normally, does the stone window sill in a typical 1880s victorian terraced house (with sash windows) extend right across the whole depth of the (8") wall? I need to get a replacement sill from an architectural salvage yard but I don't want to expose the old one (to measure the depth) until I am ready to actually do the replacement so I'd like to estimate the depth I need. and is it sill or cill? Cill, I believe! The old Ashlar cills I removed from the current (Victorian - not sure exactly how old though) renovation I am doing sat on the whole of the 9" wall. The replacement cills just sat on the outside course of bricks. Cheers Martin -- Martin Carroll |
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