When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid attention to that detail!!

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Cordless Crazy writes:

When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

You use scrim tape (course nylon netting).
(Jointing tape is a more general term that includes other types.)

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Depends how well you have fixed the board edges.
Scrim tape won't completely prevent hairline cracks, but
should keep them small enough to vanish when painted.

--
Andrew Gabriel
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"Cordless Crazy" wrote in message
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When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid
attention to that detail!!




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Cordless Crazy

I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon sealent
along the edges and butt up with each plaster board then put a jointing tape
over.
This will definatly stop cracks appearing unless the the floor above is
reapeatedly jumped on. :-)

George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in message
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When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid
attention to that detail!!




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Cordless Crazy

I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.

But that is no real solution either.


along the edges and butt up with each plaster board then put a jointing tape
over.

its te tape that does what you want. Spreads the load.

This will definatly stop cracks appearing unless the the floor above is
reapeatedly jumped on. :-)

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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in message
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When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid
attention to that detail!!




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Cordless Crazy

I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon
sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.


Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.

George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in message
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When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid
attention to that detail!!




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Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon
sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.


Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.


but wont stick to it.


Silicone sealant should only be used where its the final flexible
unpainted waterproof surface.

Fore everything els there is..well not barclaycard, but another approach...

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George wrote:
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When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon
sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.


Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.


What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB and screw
to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape over the PB edges.

It's not rocket science.

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"George" writes:

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in
message ...
When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon
sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.


Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.


What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB and screw
to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape over the PB edges.

It's not rocket science.

It's the wrong type of filler for multiple reasons.
If the boards are screwed to the same timber along the edge,
nothing is required. If the edge is floating, you need a
solid filler, not flexible. I prefer to leave enough gap so
you can force plaster bonding coat through, which will
rigidly bond the board edges. If you just have a small
crack between floating edges, just force the finish coat
plaster in the gap as you skim the ceiling. In all cases,
use scrim tape along the joins too.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

George wrote:
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in
message ...
When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon
sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.

Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.


What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB and screw
to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape over the PB edges.

It's not rocket science.



It does not matter - as soon as you wipe the silicone you will be left with
a thin layer around the joint. then a few months later, after skimming the
plaster is likely to crack and fall off in these areas. Silicone is the
wrong sealant for the job.

Can you understand this perspective?


cheers

David

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George wrote:
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in
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When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never
paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon
sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.

Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.


What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB and
screw to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape over the PB
edges.

It's not rocket science.

It does not matter - as soon as you wipe the silicone you will be left
with a thin layer around the joint. then a few months later, after
skimming the plaster is likely to crack and fall off in these areas.
Silicone is the wrong sealant for the job.

Can you understand this perspective?


cheers

David

No use trying to tell me because I've done it in the past hence why I
mention it ie it works.

even you cannot understand that we cover the joins with tape so that plaster
makes no contact with any of the sealant.

Sheeeesh!

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George wrote:
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in
message ...
When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never
paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of silicon
sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.

Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.

What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB and
screw to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape over the PB
edges.

It's not rocket science.
It does not matter - as soon as you wipe the silicone you will be left
with a thin layer around the joint. then a few months later, after
skimming the plaster is likely to crack and fall off in these areas.
Silicone is the wrong sealant for the job.

Can you understand this perspective?


cheers

David

No use trying to tell me because I've done it in the past hence why I
mention it ie it works.

even you cannot understand that we cover the joins with tape so that plaster
makes no contact with any of the sealant.

Sheeeesh!



You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer the
correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is just a bodge.

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"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in
message ...
When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and
am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish,
me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never
paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of
silicon sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.

Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.

What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB and
screw to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape over the
PB edges.

It's not rocket science.
It does not matter - as soon as you wipe the silicone you will be left
with a thin layer around the joint. then a few months later, after
skimming the plaster is likely to crack and fall off in these areas.
Silicone is the wrong sealant for the job.

Can you understand this perspective?


cheers

David

No use trying to tell me because I've done it in the past hence why I
mention it ie it works.

even you cannot understand that we cover the joins with tape so that
plaster makes no contact with any of the sealant.

Sheeeesh!

You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer the
correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is just a
bodge.

Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean little
patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?

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"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in
message ...
When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered) and
am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with Multifinish,
me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and never
paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of
silicon sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.

Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.

What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB and
screw to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape over the
PB edges.

It's not rocket science.
It does not matter - as soon as you wipe the silicone you will be left
with a thin layer around the joint. then a few months later, after
skimming the plaster is likely to crack and fall off in these areas.
Silicone is the wrong sealant for the job.

Can you understand this perspective?


cheers

David

No use trying to tell me because I've done it in the past hence why I
mention it ie it works.

even you cannot understand that we cover the joins with tape so that
plaster makes no contact with any of the sealant.

Sheeeesh!

You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer
the correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is just
a bodge.

Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean little
patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?

I've never seen a plasterer using silicone - can't see any reason why you
would want to but I'm sure it will have no effect either way if taped over,
so carry on if you want to!. Not sure what you mean by tool but a plasterer
would use self-adhesive jointing mesh tape over the joins and then skim.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

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On 2 Oct,
"George" wrote:

Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean little
patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?


If you do bodges like that you can't have done /any/ serious plastering.
silicone under tape is a serious bodge, it hasn't the strength to prevent
the
finish from cracking.


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Neither has just leaving it without the sealant has it the strength.
As much as Id like to show you my serious plastering, believe me when I say
this I have been congratulated by a time served plasterer on my plastering
ie walls that span 10'x12' my best comes when doing archways as I like doing
them.

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On 2 Oct,
"George" wrote:

Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean little
patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?


If you do bodges like that you can't have done /any/ serious plastering.
silicone under tape is a serious bodge, it hasn't the strength to prevent
the
finish from cracking.


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B Thumbs
Change lycos to yahoo to reply

Neither has just leaving it without the sealant has it the strength.
As much as Id like to show you my serious plastering, believe me when I
say this I have been congratulated by a time served plasterer on my
plastering ie walls that span 10'x12' my best comes when doing archways as
I like doing them.

No-one was commenting on your plaster finish (which we have no reason to
suppose isn't excellent) or doing archways (ditto), just your habit of using
silicone! It's not a crime nor is it bad, but, with moderen jointing tapes
(or, in the old days, properly applied jute scrim tape) it's just
unnecessary in many people's opinion.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"Cordless Crazy" wrote in
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When using straight forward square-edged boards (not tapered)
and am
having a skim over the top, do I need to use jointing tape?

If I don't and skim over the boards and joints with
Multifinish, me
thinks the hairline cracks will begin to show on all joints.

Am I correct? Have been around plastering on many jobs and
never paid
attention to that detail!!




--
Cordless Crazy
I can't do ceilings cos of me back :-( but I'd run a bead of
silicon sealent
NO it wont take paint. Use decorators caulk.

Erm! he's skimming over the boards, the tape will hide the sealent.
but wont stick to it.

What part of it don't you understand?

Put a beading of sealent along the edge of each PB butt up each PB
and screw to ceiling,wipe of an excess sealent then put the tape
over the PB edges.

It's not rocket science.
It does not matter - as soon as you wipe the silicone you will be
left with a thin layer around the joint. then a few months later,
after skimming the plaster is likely to crack and fall off in these
areas. Silicone is the wrong sealant for the job.

Can you understand this perspective?


cheers

David

No use trying to tell me because I've done it in the past hence why I
mention it ie it works.

even you cannot understand that we cover the joins with tape so that
plaster makes no contact with any of the sealant.

Sheeeesh!


You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer
the correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is
just a bodge.
Its not a bodge. Its totally useless thats all.

George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message

Sheeeesh!
You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer the
correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is just a
bodge.

Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean little
patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?



What has that got to do with anything.... or is it just time to change the
topic??

It was a phrase- the emphasis should be that silicone is simply the wrong
thing (tool) to use I thought you could work it out... Sorry that I was not
literal enough for you to follow.

cheers

David

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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message

Sheeeesh!
You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer
the correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is
just a bodge.

Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean little
patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?

What has that got to do with anything.... or is it just time to change the
topic??

It was a phrase- the emphasis should be that silicone is simply the wrong
thing (tool) to use I thought you could work it out... Sorry that I was
not literal enough for you to follow.

cheers

David

You seem to be doing a lot of spouting in here but I've yet to see any of
your post relating to actually doing DIY work?

George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
Sheeeesh!
You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer
the correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is
just a bodge.
Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean little
patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?
What has that got to do with anything.... or is it just time to change the
topic??

It was a phrase- the emphasis should be that silicone is simply the wrong
thing (tool) to use I thought you could work it out... Sorry that I was
not literal enough for you to follow.

cheers

David

You seem to be doing a lot of spouting in here but I've yet to see any of
your post relating to actually doing DIY work?



Well George

I've been around over the years, accounts change, the name on that accounts
that I've used may also change, as do the PC's, if you've missed this then
so be it.

But most importantly I have absolutely no need or desire to justify myself
or my posts to you, and what you judge as some valid contribution.

cheers

David

"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
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George wrote:
"DM" wrote in message
Sheeeesh!
You may be happy with this, but I think you'll find most people prefer
the correct tool for the job when it is available.. silicone here is
just a bodge.
Have you done any serious plastering over 2 years and I dont mean
little patches here and there? and whats the correct tool for the job?
What has that got to do with anything.... or is it just time to change
the topic??

It was a phrase- the emphasis should be that silicone is simply the
wrong thing (tool) to use I thought you could work it out... Sorry that
I was not literal enough for you to follow.

cheers

David

You seem to be doing a lot of spouting in here but I've yet to see any of
your post relating to actually doing DIY work?

Well George

I've been around over the years, accounts change, the name on that
accounts that I've used may also change, as do the PC's, if you've missed
this then so be it.

But most importantly I have absolutely no need or desire to justify myself
or my posts to you, and what you judge as some valid contribution.

cheers

David

Hah a sort of DIY art critic, slag the artist of about their work when they
dont art themselves.