My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?


I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

"AA" wrote in message
...
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?


I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

"AA" wrote in message
...
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?


I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

The builders may have another cupboard carcase to hand that they could adapt
(better) and then fit.

(Personally, I have never understood why we accept that a boiler should be
taking up a space in a kitchen - builders stubbornness I suppose- pipes
handy. Count your blessings that it is at least in a cupboard - many
builders (sorry - Designer Homes firms) seem to think they look nice just
slapped on a wall.)

In article
,
AA wrote:
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?

Most wall cabinets already clip onto brackets. If you remove the pelmet
and any screws securing it to its neighbours it should lift up and off.

--
*Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"John" wrote in message
...

"AA" wrote in message
...
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?


I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

The builders may have another cupboard carcase to hand that they could
adapt (better) and then fit.

(Personally, I have never understood why we accept that a boiler should be
taking up a space in a kitchen

Surely it "takes up space" wherever you put it, so this is potentially
irrelevant.

I once looked at a house where it was on the middle of a lounge wall, and
thought "what a stupid place for it".

I also think that bedrooms are a silly place as the noise of it firing will
keep people awake and always walk out of houses when it is there.

Which really only leaves the hallway or the bathroom, and in many houses
there is less space here than the kitchen.

tim

In article ,
John wrote:
(Personally, I have never understood why we accept that a boiler should
be taking up a space in a kitchen - builders stubbornness I suppose-
pipes handy. Count your blessings that it is at least in a cupboard -
many builders (sorry - Designer Homes firms) seem to think they look
nice just slapped on a wall.)

The bathroom is equally as handy for pipes, usually. And in the days when
boilers produced a lot of heat into the room, a pretty good place for it.

--
*The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

AA wrote:
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?

I would use KD fittings like these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17993/...ite-Pack-of-10
to fit a removeable piece in the top of the cupboard. The bolts would
enable you to remove the piece by using the bolts rather that undoing
screws - only so many times you can do that.

Fix the cupboard firmly to the wall usng brackets so that removing the
insert doesn't affect the structure..


I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

Typical. Builders blame the kitchen fitters, they blame the builders - you
are stuck in the middle.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk

"tim....." wrote in message
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"John" wrote in message
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"AA" wrote in message
...
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?


I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

The builders may have another cupboard carcase to hand that they could
adapt (better) and then fit.

(Personally, I have never understood why we accept that a boiler should
be taking up a space in a kitchen

Surely it "takes up space" wherever you put it, so this is potentially
irrelevant.

I once looked at a house where it was on the middle of a lounge wall, and
thought "what a stupid place for it".

I also think that bedrooms are a silly place as the noise of it firing
will keep people awake and always walk out of houses when it is there.

Which really only leaves the hallway or the bathroom, and in many houses
there is less space here than the kitchen.

My next one is going in the attic, along with all the control valves, in an
insulated cupboard.


tim

The Medway Handyman wrote:
AA wrote:
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?

I would use KD fittings like these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17993/...ite-Pack-of-10
to fit a removeable piece in the top of the cupboard. The bolts would
enable you to remove the piece by using the bolts rather that undoing
screws - only so many times you can do that.

Fix the cupboard firmly to the wall usng brackets so that removing the
insert doesn't affect the structure..

I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

Typical. Builders blame the kitchen fitters, they blame the builders - you
are stuck in the middle.



I did a similar thing for a neighbour but, with units either side, it
was impossible to get the cross piece out because of the KD bolts. Had
to sacrifice that and replace it with a pair of softwood struts with
metal brackets on the inside of the carcass. No problem with stability,
but this was a full length larder unit, so it had plenty of strength
elsewhere.
I have another neighbour with what looks like a similar problem waiting
to happen. I guess there are boilers specifically designed for wall unit
installation where removal of the case, and access to the innards, isn't
a problem.

On 27 Jul, 13:23, stuart noble wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
AA wrote:
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. *Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! *You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. *The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. *These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. *That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?

I would use KD fittings like these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17993/...ixings/KD-Join...
to fit a removeable piece in the top of the cupboard. *The bolts would
enable you to remove the piece by using the bolts rather that undoing
screws - only so many times you can do that.

Fix the cupboard firmly to the wall usng brackets so that removing the
insert doesn't affect the structure..

I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

Typical. *Builders blame the kitchen fitters, they blame the builders - you
are stuck in the middle.

I did a similar thing for a neighbour but, with units either side, it
was impossible to get the cross piece out because of the KD bolts. Had
to sacrifice that and replace it with a pair of softwood struts with
metal brackets on the inside of the carcass. No problem with stability,
but this was a full length larder unit, so it had plenty of strength
elsewhere.
I have another neighbour with what looks like a similar problem waiting
to happen. I guess there are boilers specifically designed for wall unit
installation where removal of the case, and access to the innards, isn't
a problem.

Would be interesting to know if they still exist but when I was faced
with the boiler fitting problem into a small house, I found one that
was in a fibreglass case and hug on the outside wall. No problems
with access and no problems with using up valuable internal wall
space.

I know that has nothing to do with the OP's question - sorry!

Rob

"robgraham" wrote in message
...
On 27 Jul, 13:23, stuart noble wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
AA wrote:
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?

I would use KD fittings like these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17993/...ixings/KD-Join...
to fit a removeable piece in the top of the cupboard. The bolts would
enable you to remove the piece by using the bolts rather that undoing
screws - only so many times you can do that.

Fix the cupboard firmly to the wall usng brackets so that removing the
insert doesn't affect the structure..

I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

Typical. Builders blame the kitchen fitters, they blame the builders -
you
are stuck in the middle.

I did a similar thing for a neighbour but, with units either side, it
was impossible to get the cross piece out because of the KD bolts. Had
to sacrifice that and replace it with a pair of softwood struts with
metal brackets on the inside of the carcass. No problem with stability,
but this was a full length larder unit, so it had plenty of strength
elsewhere.
I have another neighbour with what looks like a similar problem waiting
to happen. I guess there are boilers specifically designed for wall unit
installation where removal of the case, and access to the innards, isn't
a problem.

Would be interesting to know if they still exist but when I was faced
with the boiler fitting problem into a small house, I found one that
was in a fibreglass case and hug on the outside wall. No problems
with access and no problems with using up valuable internal wall
space.

I know that has nothing to do with the OP's question - sorry!

Rob


Apols for leading the thread astray - I like the idea of an external
boiler - but I have only seen oil fired ones. I suspect the regs may not
allow external ones. A half-way would be a service recess in the house. I
have just the space under my stairs (no internal access to the area) where
an opening could be made and a boiler fitted in with suitable insulation of
course. Better still - the American approach to houses - a proper basement
with all the utility things down there.

John wrote:
"robgraham" wrote in message
...
On 27 Jul, 13:23, stuart noble wrote:
The Medway Handyman wrote:
AA wrote:
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?
I would use KD fittings like these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17993/...ixings/KD-Join...
to fit a removeable piece in the top of the cupboard. The bolts would
enable you to remove the piece by using the bolts rather that undoing
screws - only so many times you can do that.
Fix the cupboard firmly to the wall usng brackets so that removing the
insert doesn't affect the structure..
I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.
Typical. Builders blame the kitchen fitters, they blame the builders -
you
are stuck in the middle.
I did a similar thing for a neighbour but, with units either side, it
was impossible to get the cross piece out because of the KD bolts. Had
to sacrifice that and replace it with a pair of softwood struts with
metal brackets on the inside of the carcass. No problem with stability,
but this was a full length larder unit, so it had plenty of strength
elsewhere.
I have another neighbour with what looks like a similar problem waiting
to happen. I guess there are boilers specifically designed for wall unit
installation where removal of the case, and access to the innards, isn't
a problem.

Would be interesting to know if they still exist but when I was faced
with the boiler fitting problem into a small house, I found one that
was in a fibreglass case and hug on the outside wall. No problems
with access and no problems with using up valuable internal wall
space.

I know that has nothing to do with the OP's question - sorry!

Rob


Apols for leading the thread astray - I like the idea of an external
boiler - but I have only seen oil fired ones. I suspect the regs may not
allow external ones. A half-way would be a service recess in the house. I
have just the space under my stairs (no internal access to the area) where
an opening could be made and a boiler fitted in with suitable insulation of
course. Better still - the American approach to houses - a proper basement
with all the utility things down there.


What do they do about the flue exit from a cellar? How high does it have
to be from ground level?

On 28 Jul, 08:49, "John" wrote:
"robgraham" wrote in message

...
On 27 Jul, 13:23, stuart noble wrote:





The Medway Handyman wrote:
AA wrote:
My house is just under 2 years old and I was thinking the boiler
should have its first service sometime. Then I discovered there is no
way to remove the front cover of the boiler without dismantling the
kitchen cabinets! You see, the boiler guy installed the boiler. Weeks
later they kitchen guys installed the kitchen wall cabinets. The top
of the boiler is a couple if inches too high, so the top of the
cabinet has been contoured around the shape of the boiler. The cover
is the type that slides horizontally out. These pictures show it a
bit better.
http://i34.tinypic.com/ay6bg7.jpg
http://i33.tinypic.com/2e3ddn8.jpg
I was thinking of removing the pelmet, cutting a portion of the
cabinet top out and refixing it with angle brackets/plates. That
would make it easy to dismantle things at service time. But during
service there would be no support across the top of the cabinet. Would
the cabinet hold itself together OK or is there a risk it would
"implode"? Any other ideas?

I would use KD fittings like these
http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17993/...ixings/KD-Join....
to fit a removeable piece in the top of the cupboard. The bolts would
enable you to remove the piece by using the bolts rather that undoing
screws - only so many times you can do that.

Fix the cupboard firmly to the wall usng brackets so that removing the
insert doesn't affect the structure..

I could call the builders back but their approach to snags usually
involves messing things up with unsuitable tools and patching them up
with sealant or whatever comes to hand.

Typical. Builders blame the kitchen fitters, they blame the builders -
you
are stuck in the middle.

I did a similar thing for a neighbour but, with units either side, it
was impossible to get the cross piece out because of the KD bolts. Had
to sacrifice that and replace it with a pair of softwood struts with
metal brackets on the inside of the carcass. No problem with stability,
but this was a full length larder unit, so it had plenty of strength
elsewhere.
I have another neighbour with what looks like a similar problem waiting
to happen. I guess there are boilers specifically designed for wall unit
installation where removal of the case, and access to the innards, isn't
a problem.

Would be interesting to know if they still exist but when I was faced
with the boiler fitting problem into a small house, I found one that
was in a fibreglass case and hug on the outside wall. *No problems
with access and no problems with using up valuable internal wall
space.

I know that has nothing to do with the OP's question - sorry!

Rob

Apols for leading the thread astray - I like the idea of an external
boiler - but I have only seen oil fired ones. I suspect the regs may not
allow external ones. A half-way would be a service recess in the house. I
have just the space under my stairs (no internal access to the area) where
an opening could be made and a boiler fitted in with suitable insulation of
course. Better still - the American approach to houses - a proper basement
with all the utility things down there.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I sincerely hope you are the one to have to repair your outdoor model
when its ****ing with rain or snow is blowing round your ears and you
struggle to grasp anything with frozen fingers. I am now retired but
would never turn out to such abominations.

stuart noble wrote:
What do they do about the flue exit from a cellar? How high does it have
to be from ground level?

I've just had my boiler replaced, and wanted it put in the cellar
(where my washing machine already is - why take up kitchen space?).
However, my plumber couldn't get an answer from the supplier about
how to flue it correctly, so it went in the kitchen

--
JGH

jgharston wrote:
stuart noble wrote:
What do they do about the flue exit from a cellar? How high does it have
to be from ground level?

I've just had my boiler replaced, and wanted it put in the cellar
(where my washing machine already is - why take up kitchen space?).
However, my plumber couldn't get an answer from the supplier about
how to flue it correctly, so it went in the kitchen

--
JGH

Interesting. The cellar option would be nice in the case I'm thinking
of, except it does have a tendency to flood when the water table's high.
Still, a wall mounted model should be safe.
I hope someone can clarify the flue situation because this is one of
those houses with a tiny kitchen and a massive cellar.

In article ,
stuart noble wrote:
Interesting. The cellar option would be nice in the case I'm thinking
of, except it does have a tendency to flood when the water table's high.
Still, a wall mounted model should be safe.
I hope someone can clarify the flue situation because this is one of
those houses with a tiny kitchen and a massive cellar.

The flue shouldn't be a problem since many can be extended. The condensant
drain and safety outlet might be.

--
*If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.