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PoP wrote: I've just done a search on the web. Preheaters are available for £250 and upwards - which is quite a lot of money. I think I'll stick to my putting a small heater under the engine compartment. Our standby genny has a small immersion heater in a steel can and circulates 50 degree water by convection round its block, try genny suppliers for one off an old unit? Niel. |
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I wondered what the other experts here think about the following
idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ers/index.html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP |
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PoP wrote:
I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ers/index.html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP There is an aftermarket device that you fit to the car that keeps the coolant water warm. I expect it is a atandard fit in countries where the winter temps get really cold. Your dealer should know about it. A mate of mine had one on a Disco some years back. Bob |
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Bob Minchin wrote:
PoP wrote: I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ers/index.html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP There is an aftermarket device that you fit to the car that keeps the coolant water warm. I expect it is a atandard fit in countries where the winter temps get really cold. Your dealer should know about it. A mate of mine had one on a Disco some years back. Bob Oil sump heaters are common in Scandinavian countries. They appear to screw in instead of the drain plug. I have even seen points to plug them into at some parking places in Finland. Reminds me of many years ago at a very posh hotel in the New Forest, Chewton Glen, I got talking to a wealthy long term resident. He had garages on the site which were centrally heated to keep his car collection warm .... They were better housed than the staff. |
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"Bob Minchin" wrote in message ... PoP wrote: I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...eaters/index.h tml What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP There is an aftermarket device that you fit to the car that keeps the coolant water warm. I expect it is a atandard fit in countries where the winter temps get really cold. Your dealer should know about it. A mate of mine had one on a Disco some years back. Bob dont think they ever caught on here though bob :-) |
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It will save fuel and wear and tear. However, some sort of water heater is
the only efficient way. -- Regards John --- All of my outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/2003 |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:26:13 +0100, PoP
wrote: I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ers/index.html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP Keeping the engine warm is very reasonable. In countries with colder climates such as Sweden - especially in the north where it can go below -40 degrees - vehicles are fitted with engine warming. Some is done by the manufacturer but I am pretty sure that there are after market products as well. It is common for parking places to have 220v outlets for people to plug them in. You can also get small heaters to go inside the passenger compartment, often a small fan heater and timeswitch. ..andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl |
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"Andy Hall" wrote in message ... On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:26:13 +0100, PoP wrote: I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind..._Heaters/index. html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP Keeping the engine warm is very reasonable. In countries with colder climates such as Sweden - especially in the north where it can go below -40 degrees - vehicles are fitted with engine warming. Some is done by the manufacturer but I am pretty sure that there are after market products as well. It is common for parking places to have 220v outlets for people to plug them in. You can also get small heaters to go inside the passenger compartment, often a small fan heater and timeswitch. .andy To email, substitute .nospam with .gl an under sump parafin heater used to be available with a small wick,would warm up the sump and oil ready for a cold start,not so sure about fuel leaks though? |
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:57:50 +0100, "John"
john.plant90@NO-SPAMntlworldDOTcom wrote: It will save fuel and wear and tear. However, some sort of water heater is the only efficient way. I've just done a search on the web. Preheaters are available for £250 and upwards - which is quite a lot of money. I think I'll stick to my putting a small heater under the engine compartment. PoP |
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PoP wrote:
I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ers/index.html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? Used to be able to buy these thins at halfords. They do work. Up to a point. Trouble is you want an engine water temp of about 90C. the difference between coming up to that from 0C or 20C isn't huge. What you REALLY want is a immesrion heater in teh radiator, switched on ten minutes before uyou start teh engine :-) PoP |
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PoP wrote: What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. You can buy purpose made heaters that fit in a water hose - I think Kenlow make them. I'd say they would be a bit more efficient at keeping the engine warm. And if you're going to fit one add a battery trickle charger as well for that instant start. IIRC, these are fitted to fire engines so they can be driven flat out from a 'cold' start. I'd also add a relay so the engine couldn't be started with the mains still plugged in, although I suppose something like an IEC would pull out ok if it was in a straight line. -- *How can I miss you if you won't go away? Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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PoP wrote: I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ers/index.html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP Had a plumb-in device by Kenlowe - called a Hotstart - in my diesel RR. I also installed a thermostat to turn the interior heater fan on at a preset temperature. Worked an absolute treat. Cost approx £150. Kenlowe were great. They replaced it 3 times without quibble. Reason for replacement? The solid state relay in the timer that I used to switch the Hotstart on in the morning developed a serious fault that blew the wiring in the Hotstart. Nothing wrong with the Hotstart! On another tack, IIRC warmth and damp are ideal breeding grounds for rust and paraffin heaters produce a lot of water. Richard |
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PoP wrote: I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...ers/index.html What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP Further thought; cross post to alt.fan.landrover You may be diverted into spending SERIOUS money on an Erspracher heater ;-) Richard |
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"BillR" wrote in message ... Bob Minchin wrote: PoP wrote: I wondered what the other experts here think about the following idea..... During the winter months my garage does get a bit on the cold side when the temperature plummets. It isn't attached to the house and has no heating. No big deal when I'm not working in there, and when I am I can always use a fan heater to warm up the corner I'm working in. But what I'd like to do is arrange things so that the car engine (Freelander - plenty of room underneath!) isn't stone cold when I go out in the morning - it can take a while to reach operating temperature and on short journeys I'd reach the destination before the heater is working. What I was thinking about was to put a couple of tubular heaters under the engine bay, on a timer that comes on at about 3am. These things are insulated against moisture and so on, and at 120W each they don't get particularly warm: http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Ind...eaters/index.h tml What I'm thinking is that the little warmth they do generate would rise into the engine compartment, taking the chill off the engine so that once I start up and move off it doesn't take so long for normal temperature to be acquired. Does this sound like a plausible idea, or has Dr Strangelove got hold of my noggin? PoP There is an aftermarket device that you fit to the car that keeps the coolant water warm. I expect it is a atandard fit in countries where the winter temps get really cold. Your dealer should know about it. A mate of mine had one on a Disco some years back. Bob Oil sump heaters are common in Scandinavian countries. They appear to screw in instead of the drain plug. Just use fully sythetic oil and they are redundant. Use a water heater in the bottom rad hose or in some case they replace the block drain plug. I used these heaters in the desert on my Chevy Blazer run from 12v. Yes the desert, summer and winter, using a separate battery and dynamo splitter, as in a caravan. I nearly always had two batteries. Very handy having all that spare power. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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Webasto make a small diesel heater intended for coaches and larger cars and BMW part
prepare for these at manufacture on the 3 litre diesels - they are remote controlled and presettable to come on for 10 to 60 mins, heat the coolant, have their own circulating pump and a low volts cut off so you can still start the engine - seems to give about 6Kw output and use about 6 amps at 12 volts and uses the vehicles diesel for fuel. (you preset the fan speed and temp) Intended for not only warming the engine but also the interior of the car to defrost it on icy mornings and it works very well. It can also be used to switch the interior blower only on (you have to pre-set the speed) to cool the car on hot days 10 or 20 mins before you get to it - the remote has a range of a quoted 600 metres which seems remarkable. I am sure you could buy these from Webasto or one of their agents but again probably quite pricey (£500 ? I would hazard a guess ) Nick |
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:54:48 +0100, Richard Savage
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On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 22:53:28 +0100, Richard Savage
wrote: On another tack, IIRC warmth and damp are ideal breeding grounds for rust and paraffin heaters produce a lot of water. So I gather - which is why I don't plan to use paraffin heaters in the garage at any time. PoP |
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"froggers" wrote in message ... Webasto make a small diesel heater intended for coaches and larger cars and BMW part prepare for these at manufacture on the 3 litre diesels - they are remote controlled and presettable I rigged one of these up in my Chevy Blazer. Point an infra red controller at the car and the heaters came on running off the spare battery. You can point at the car from office windows. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:52:29 +0100, PoP
wrote: I think a major problem would be to install something which didn't have the capacity of setting fire to the engine compartment. Dead easy, just use an element with a negative thermal coefficient that doesn't need a thermostat. They're not common (Kenlowe still palm off unreliable overpriced crap on us), but they're available as commercial process heating. I don't know why we don't see more of them. I once built a pre-heater using an injection moulder nozzle heater of some huge power. But run off a 50V transformer, it was a reasonable power to pre-heat a Rangie. -- Die Gotterspammerung - Junkmail of the Gods |
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On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:01:16 +0100, "Mindwipe"
wrote: snip an under sump parafin heater used to be available with a small wick,would warm up the sump and oil ready for a cold start,not so sure about fuel leaks though? Take care ! my brother used one of these until 2 years ago when it caused a fire in the engine compartment of his Fiat Punto - nearly burnt the garage down as well. |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:01:16 +0100, "Mindwipe" wrote: snip an under sump parafin heater used to be available with a small wick,would warm up the sump and oil ready for a cold start, Using fully synthetic oil eliminates having to warm up engine oil, unless you are in the Antarctic. It is very thin at low temperatures. --- -- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/2003 |
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IMM wrote: Using fully synthetic oil eliminates having to warm up engine oil, unless you are in the Antarctic. It is very thin at low temperatures. Oil viscosity isn't dependant on the type of oil. And regardless of how 'thin' the oil is when cold, you should still treat an engine carefully until fully warmed up. -- *A fool and his money can throw one hell of a party. Dave Plowman London SW 12 RIP Acorn |
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