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How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si

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"Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot" wrote in message
...
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Assuming you have a dishwasher as I do, then wash these items in the bowl
you have used for the pans etc. that are too big for the DW before you tip
it down the drain, works for us.

HTH

John

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On 7 Feb, 18:39, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si

Have a look at this:

http://www.perc.org/pdf/ps28.pdf

T

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Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using
more hot water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas
and/or electricity...

Si

Do what I do, just give it a rinse under the cold water tap (water wastage I
know) or in the used dish-washing water (too tight fisted to buy a
dishwasher) and then sling it in the recycling bin.

BRG

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Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si


Don't get me started.


I am of the firm opinion that once you have to wash a tin to throw it
away, you have doubled the waste it causes.

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John wrote:
"Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot" wrote in message
...
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Assuming you have a dishwasher as I do, then wash these items in the bowl
you have used for the pans etc. that are too big for the DW before you tip
it down the drain, works for us.

HTH

John


I ws talking to amate of mine about energy, and the subject of off peak
came up 'It's odd' I said 'I don't have storage heaters or anything on
at night, but my off peak usage is bigger than my on peak'

'Do you put the dishwasher on last thing at night? 'well SHE does. And
the washing machine"

'ahh...'

So the dishwasher and washing machine together use as much electricity
as the all the other stuff on during the day...

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On Feb 7, 6:39*pm, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:
The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

I think you are washing them too well!

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wrote:
On 7 Feb, 18:39, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si

Have a look at this:

http://www.perc.org/pdf/ps28.pdf

T
Apart from the bit 'we are not running out of oil' I have to say I agree
with it.

Current raw material prices make recycling of metals cost effective.
Bottles and tin cans tho, probably are not, and waste paper and plastic
certainly aren't.

At a time of rising sea and flood levels, some judicious landfills into
levees, of general household waste ought to be the no 1 best use of
generalised rubbish.

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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:39:07 -0000, Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si

If I had to guess, I'd reckon there's about 40 Watt*Hours of energy needed
to make an average size tin can (anyone with actual numbers, please jump in)
To re-smelt and reprocess a recycled can is what? maybe half of that, so
you save about 20 WH for a can.
Water takes a little over 4 Joules to raise 1gm by 1C. 1 Joule of energy
is 1 Watt for 1 Second, so if you need 25cc of water and have to heat it
from 10C to 40C, the energy needed is 4 * 25 * 30 Joules = 3000 Watt*Seconds
or about 1 WH, so yes purely in terms of the electricity you use, it's
worth doing - although you consume the power but the council gets the
benefit.
Once you take into account the energy needed to collect and process
the junk and deliver, collect and process the waste water, the equation
tilts a little further from ideal, but is still marginally worth doing.
You could always rinse them out in cold water...

I still don't see why/how they can make you clean your garbage before
you throw it away, esp if you leave the labels on :-?

--
.................................................. .........................
.. never trust a man who, when left alone ...... Pete Lynch .
.. in a room with a tea cosy ...... Marlow, England .
.. doesn't try it on (Billy Connolly) .....................................

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wrote:
On 7 Feb, 18:39, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3
bed household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using
more hot water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas
and/or electricity...

Si

Have a look at this:

http://www.perc.org/pdf/ps28.pdf


Interesting but quite slanted, I felt. "Leave it to the markets and it will
be sorted".

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more
hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si


Don't get me started.


I am of the firm opinion that once you have to wash a tin to throw it
away, you have doubled the waste it causes.

I am of the opinion that after I wash the cans and bottles and put them in
the container provided and then watch the refuse collector stand at the side
of the diesel spewing truck seperating cans from glass and knowing that at
last estimate 83% of materials seperated for recycling goes to landfill, the
country/ council is run by idiots.

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In article , says...
I am of the firm opinion that once you have to wash a tin to throw it
away, you have doubled the waste it causes.

Only if you draw hot water specially to wash it. The extra cost of
washing it along with a load of washing you were doing anyway is
negligible.

--
Skipweasel.
Never knowingly understood.

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Only if you draw hot water specially to wash it. The extra cost of
washing it along with a load of washing you were doing anyway is
negligible.

Wife just tried that.....shredded all of her clothes. Next time I'll suggest she uses the dishwasher

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On 2008-02-07 18:39:07 +0000, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
said:

How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si

Probably none.

The reality is that it is pointless, politically correct ********.

What you are being asked to do is the local authorities work for them,
in order that they can reduce their costs and meet the handed down
commitments resulting from acquiescence to nitwits in Brussels.

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In message 47ab7d1c@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes
On 2008-02-07 18:39:07 +0000, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
said:

How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?
The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit
of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...
Si

Probably none.

The reality is that it is pointless, politically correct ********.

We all know it's true - Jane Horrorks says so on the telly

One bottle can power a PC for ten minutes - yeah right


--
geoff

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"geoff" wrote in message
...
In message 47ab7d1c@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes
On 2008-02-07 18:39:07 +0000, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
said:

How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?
The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more
hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...
Si

Probably none.

The reality is that it is pointless, politically correct ********.

We all know it's true - Jane Horrorks says so on the telly

One bottle can power a PC for ten minutes - yeah right

I really find the figures on that advert unbelievable. I don't reckon they
can take into account all the costs of transporting and processing the
glass - I can see it working from the point of view of sand in the glass
factory VS old glass in the glass factory, but not once transport costs have
been taken into account.

Glass isn't particularly green - containers are relatively bulky and heavy,
meaning you could get more into plastic containers, and save on transport
costs. Even if the plastic doesn't biodegrade, it is at least small...

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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-02-07 18:39:07 +0000, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
said:

How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3
bed household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using
more hot water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas
and/or electricity...

Si

Probably none.

The reality is that it is pointless, politically correct ********.

Indeed. Has anyone factored in the environmental cost of an extra lorry on
every round to collect recycling?

What you are being asked to do is the local authorities work for them,
in order that they can reduce their costs and meet the handed down
commitments resulting from acquiescence to nitwits in Brussels.

Yup. Targets again. Very easy for a polititician to pretend to solve a
problem by issuing a target. First thing middle management then does is to
fudge the figures to meet it.

Hitting the target - missing the point.


--
Dave - The Medway Handyman
www.medwayhandyman.co.uk
01634 717930
07850 597257

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On Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:19:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si


Don't get me started.


I am of the firm opinion that once you have to wash a tin to throw it
away, you have doubled the waste it causes.

And are you supposed to take the labels off ..That may or may not be
easy but even the ones that come off easily leave a residue of
adhesive so how does that get taken off .That surely takes energy of
some sort

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The Medway Handyman wrote:

Indeed. Has anyone factored in the environmental cost of an extra lorry on
every round to collect recycling?

Depends on how it is done, here in Cherwell we have recycling one week,
land fill (building rubble :-) ) the next. Since they take a wide range
of stuff in an ordinary dust cart and sort it (at least part automated)
at the collection site they take a good amount (wheelie bins full), and
so the lorry use is much the same.

Another thing to remember is some councils, Bath and Bristol and some
London transfer the rubbish by train to Calvert, Buckinghamshire, so the
distance covered by the lorry is trivial in comparison. Mind you,
Calvert is such a big site the gas produced generates 12 MW.

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wrote in message
...

And are you supposed to take the labels off ..That may or may not be
easy but even the ones that come off easily leave a residue of
adhesive so how does that get taken off .That surely takes energy of
some sort

For the tins, I guess it'll just be burned off when its melted.

cheers,
clive

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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-02-07 18:39:07 +0000, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
said:

How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3
bed household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using
more hot water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas
and/or electricity...

Si

Probably none.

The reality is that it is pointless, politically correct ********.

What you are being asked to do is the local authorities work for them,
in order that they can reduce their costs and meet the handed down
commitments resulting from acquiescence to nitwits in Brussels.

*Ding*

Si

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John wrote:
"Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot" wrote in
message ...
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3
bed household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using
more hot water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas
and/or electricity...

Assuming you have a dishwasher as I do, then wash these items in the
bowl you have used for the pans etc. that are too big for the DW
before you tip it down the drain, works for us.


We don't have one. Is my weekly recycling enough to offset the energy used
by your dishwasher? Can I not bother recycling because I don't have a
dishwasher?

Si

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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:39:07 -0000, "Mungo \"Two Sheds\" Toadfoot"
wrote:

How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

We don't here...the last time I looked at the flyer that accompanied
the council recycling service bin, it said something along the lines
of "Yes, you can recycle pet food tins...and no, you don't need to
wash them". On that basis, no tins/bottles etc. get washed....unless
there happens to be any dishwater remaining in the sink.

I now use milk from plastic cartons at work, and when they're empty I
throw them into a bin liner which I empty whenever it's full. I soon
discovered that it doesn't take long for the bag to stink....so now I
quarter fill one empty milk carton with water, to which I add a couple
of drops of bleach - tipping the mix into each new empty carton. Seems
to last for at least a couple of weeks before a refresh is needed, and
the bag stays fresh and can remain in use until it falls apart.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

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if you put the tops back on the milk bottles they wont stink,
and you can squeeze them smaller
so more fit in your black bag

--

[george]

~ [g] ~
~ ~
~ 07970 378 572 ~
~ www.dicegeorge.com ~
~ (c)2008 ~
~ ~

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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:40:47 -0000, "George \(dicegeorge\)"
wrote:

if you put the tops back on the milk bottles they wont stink,
and you can squeeze them smaller
so more fit in your black bag

They won't take the tops, I'm told.

Regards,



--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations
http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk
Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk

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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:40:47 -0000, George \(dicegeorge\) wrote:

if you put the tops back on the milk bottles they wont stink,

Our plastics recycling asks for tops to be removed, so they are and put in
the recycling seperately.

As for washing, our tins, bottles etc get rinsed in the old washing up
water. A tiny amount extra water might be required but not significant.
Now if had a dishwasher that *everything* went through then things would
be different.

--
Cheers
Dave.

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On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 18:39:07 -0000 someone who may be "Mungo \"Two
Sheds\" Toadfoot" wrote this:-

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Only if one does it badly. Plonking a few tins and plastic bottles
into the water just used to wash up saucepans and shaking them
backwards and forwards before placing them to dry uses no more hot
water.

However, recycling is not as good as not having the packaging in the
first place. Anyone with an open mind can work their way through
http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/campaigns/crew/resources/ to
understand the issues.

Those who see no reason not to lob everything in a giant wheelie bin
should consider the little film at
http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/resources/minisites/landfill to see
what happens to it.




--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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"Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot" wrote in message
...
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si

Can't you wash them in cold water?

Mary

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"Peter" wrote in message
...


I am of the opinion that after I wash the cans and bottles and put them in
the container provided and then watch the refuse collector stand at the
side
of the diesel spewing truck seperating cans from glass and knowing that at
last estimate 83% of materials seperated for recycling goes to landfill,

How do you know that?

Mary

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"Doki" wrote in message
...


Glass isn't particularly green - containers are relatively bulky and
heavy, meaning you could get more into plastic containers, and save on
transport costs. Even if the plastic doesn't biodegrade, it is at least
small...

Wine is beginning to be bottled in plastic. It's the future.

Mary

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Mary Fisher wrote:
"Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot" wrote in
message ...
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3
bed household on a weekly basis?

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using
more hot water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas
and/or electricity...

Si

Can't you wash them in cold water?

Mary

Most things, yes, but even that "costs" energy that wouldn't be otherwise
used. I'm not saying recycling's not a good idea but is it doing any good or
is the work required in doing it actually outweighing the benefits?

Si

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Mary Fisher coughed up some electrons that declared:


"Doki" wrote in message
...


Glass isn't particularly green - containers are relatively bulky and
heavy, meaning you could get more into plastic containers, and save on
transport costs. Even if the plastic doesn't biodegrade, it is at least
small...

Wine is beginning to be bottled in plastic. It's the future.

Mary



I know what the future is: returnable glass bottles with a deposit.
It worked in 1970 and it can work now, if someone can kick the industry up
the backside to (re)organise it.

There is no reason a well made glass bottle needs to be considered single
use.

Think about it:

Retailer sells bottle plus product.

Customer consumes product.

a) Customer returns bottle on next visit (they almost do this now, with many
glass recycling facilities being located in supermarket car parks)

or

b) Kids come knocking to collect bottles so they can keep the deposit (added
benefit, kids learn to "work" to obtain reward).

Bottles collected by returning, otherwise empty, delivery lorry.

Bottles washed and sorted (should be automatable to a greater or lesser
degree) and resold at a discount back to original drinks manufacturers.

I honestly don't know what's so difficult about that, apart from someone
actually needs to organise it.

No glass needs to be melted, major legs of the return transport are just
using spare capacity. Very energy efficient I would have though.

Cheers

Tim

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"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message
...
wrote:

And are you supposed to take the labels off ..That may or may not be
easy but even the ones that come off easily leave a residue of
adhesive so how does that get taken off .That surely takes energy of
some sort

My local authority has recently clarified that labels may be left
on. However, the rules vary so much between areas that this is
probably no help at all to anybody else :-(

That's the bit that gets me. One of my parent's houses - no recycling at
all. My other parent's house - recycling with blue and brown bins.
Girlfriend's parents house up the road, brown and blue bins, but completely
different stuff can and can't go into the bins. The colours of bin aren't
even standardised. My house in Sheffield, no recycling at all apart from
paper, but then Sheffield has an incinerator.

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Mary Fisher wrote:
"Peter" wrote in message
...

I am of the opinion that after I wash the cans and bottles and put them in
the container provided and then watch the refuse collector stand at the
side
of the diesel spewing truck seperating cans from glass and knowing that at
last estimate 83% of materials seperated for recycling goes to landfill,

How do you know that?

Mary


What about 'I am of the opinion that' translates into 'knowledge' in
your tiny mind, Mary?

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Huge wrote:
On 2008-02-07, Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3 bed
household on a weekly basis?

Next to none.

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using more hot
water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas and/or
electricity...

Si




Most of this is encouraged by the "Global warming save the world"
rubbish. I accept there is global warming, but not that it is caused by
man. Anyway it is not save the world (the world will get over it quite
easily) it is save mankind. I believe in re-cycling if it nurtures
natural resources for the future, however does sending tons of glass
bottles to China to be recycled help? Also the inconsistencies of
recycling is rubbish (pun intended). For example our council's local
recycling centre have a bin for waxed containers, however we cannot put
them in our recycling bin.

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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 00:57:25 -0000, "Clive George"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .

And are you supposed to take the labels off ..That may or may not be
easy but even the ones that come off easily leave a residue of
adhesive so how does that get taken off .That surely takes energy of
some sort

For the tins, I guess it'll just be burned off when its melted.

cheers,
clive

As would any food residue?

Our council doesn't currently collect food packaging plastic - like
meat trays or yoghurt pots. This is because the plant can't recycle it
yet - because the food sinks into the surface of the plastic. Well
that#s what they said anyway.
But this plastic wrapping has to still go in the grey bin so you've
still got to wash it to stop the grey bin stinking at the end of a
fortnight. At least it's not hot at the moment but I can see that
being worse.

After our recycling trial has been completed they will be rolling it
out to the whole of Oldham. We've been given two food recycling bins;
one small for the kitchen and one big for outside. We were given a
roll of special bags but they're quite dear so I'm using newspaper
were possible to wrap food waste.

We were supposed to have been given extra huge green bags for paper
and carboard but these haven't appeared so we're using a couple of
green bags a fortnight. I have no problem with this bit of the
exercise apart from being conerned that I build a potential bonfire
inside my house because it's better than it being outside my house
until collection night.
These bigger bags sound great apart from how on earth you carry them
when they're full.

I'd like to think that they recycle everything at the tip and avoid as
much landfill as possible. They're going to be burning it and making
energy apparently soon.
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http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk
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"David Hansen" wrote in message

However, recycling is not as good as not having the packaging in the
first place.

Aye, there's the rub.

Those who see no reason not to lob everything in a giant wheelie bin
should consider the little film at
http://www.foe-scotland.org.uk/resources/minisites/landfill to see
what happens to it.

Ex ellent little film, I'm sure that no-one would choose to live near a
landfill site. As one of the interviewees said, we wouldn't stand people
dumping their wheelie bins in our back gardens yet some people have no
choice but to live with our rubbish.

Kevin Anderson's interview, saying that we must start making changes to
reducing carbon dioxide emissions NOW rather than thinking that what happens
in the future is OK, is spot on.

Mary

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On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:37:18 -0000, Doki wrote:

My house in Sheffield, no recycling at all apart from paper, but then
Sheffield has an incinerator.

As some one mentioned the counties with the highest priority on recycling
are those using landfill. Cumbria is very proud of it's very high
recycling rate. The real reason is so they can avoid paying rather a lot
(millions) in landfill taxes... They don't hide that fact but neither do
they shout about it prefering to have some green waffle.

My biggest gripe is the fact the recycling centers vary in what they can
and can't take. Most take bottles, tins, paper (bit silly the kerbside box
takes those) and card, many are now taking hard plastic, some plastic bags
but very few take cartons.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Recycling thought
 

Broadback wrote:
Huge wrote:
On 2008-02-07, Mungo "Two Sheds" Toadfoot
wrote:
How much energy is saved by the recycling efforts of the average 3
bed household on a weekly basis?

Next to none.

The reason I ask is that we have to wash every tin, bottle and bit of
plastic that we have to recycle and I'm thinking that we're using
more hot water now than we used to and that water is heated with gas
and/or electricity...

Si



Most of this is encouraged by the "Global warming save the world"
rubbish. I accept there is global warming, but not that it is caused by
man. Anyway it is not save the world (the world will get over it quite
easily) it is save mankind. I believe in re-cycling if it nurtures
natural resources for the future, however does sending tons of glass
bottles to China to be recycled help? Also the inconsistencies of
recycling is rubbish (pun intended). For example our council's local
recycling centre have a bin for waxed containers, however we cannot put
them in our recycling bin.

I accept there is global warming and that it IS (largely) caused by
man,and that its a very important issue.

However as those who follow my ramblings know, just about every european
initiative to tackle it is a complete and utter waste of time: This one
is the same.

Its a scam to link waste disposal with resource frugality and enforce
recycling: if the materials are in short supply, the price will rise
till we find it worth selling our rubbish to e.g. scrap metal dealers.

Apart from toxic wastes, landfill or burning is the correct and proper
way to put back in the ground, or air, what came from the ground, or
air, in the first place.

All bottles are good for is making hardcore anyway. Or chuck em in the
sea and let them go back to being nice pebbles and sand.


Cans are easily sorted via electromagnets..steel ones anyway. Not sure
in te tin is recoverable,but its getting valuable.

As far as aluminium cans go, well they will rot pretty quickly anyway. A
few hundred years max. Bury them.