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A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend.
I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? Mark. |
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On 19 Nov, 12:59, Andy Cap wrote:
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:53:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? Mark. I think you want uk.rec.burglars Andy :-) Surley burglary counts as DIY? Mark. |
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On 19 Nov, 12:53, wrote:
A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? If it's the old-fashioned type of Yale that doesn't deadlock then you can just slide something (bit of stiff but flexible plastic) between the door and the frame to push the bolt back into the, errrrr thingie. See http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Door-With-a-Credit-Card Some interesting links there! Related wikiHows - How to Pick a Lock - How to Crack a "Master Lock" Combination Lock - How to Make a Padlock Shim - How to Crack a Master Combination Lock - How to Open a Lock Using a Can - How to Kick Down a Door - How to Burglarproof Your Doors - How to Bump a Lock |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:32:30 -0800 (PST), Martin Pentreath
wrote: On 19 Nov, 12:53, wrote: A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? If it's the old-fashioned type of Yale that doesn't deadlock then you can just slide something (bit of stiff but flexible plastic) between the door and the frame to push the bolt back into the, errrrr thingie. I locked myself out once. And a friend said he knew how to open it. Sadly what he meant was he knew he could boot the door hard enough to get it open. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
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On Nov 19, 2:32 pm, Martin Pentreath
wrote: On 19 Nov, 12:53, wrote: A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? If it's the old-fashioned type of Yale that doesn't deadlock then you can just slide something (bit of stiff but flexible plastic) between the door and the frame to push the bolt back into the, errrrr thingie. Seehttp://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Door-With-a-Credit-Card Errm "Inside doors may have trim around them that will prevent you from opening it with a card. Either remove the trim or find an alternative method of opening the door" My outside door has a trim that I'm pretty sure would prevent opening this easily. MBQ |
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On 19 Nov 2007 15:46:24 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2007-11-19, wrote: A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? By drilling down the shear line so the plug can be rotated. Takes about 30 seconds including the walk from the van, and that'll be 90 quid, thanks. It's probably better to have the people with the knowledge and tools earn their money as locksmiths rather than, shall we say, freelancing. -- .................................................. ......................... .. never trust a man who, when left alone ...... Pete Lynch . .. in a room with a tea cosy ...... Marlow, England . .. doesn't try it on (Billy Connolly) ..................................... |
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On 19 Nov, 15:46, Huge wrote:
On 2007-11-19, wrote: A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? By drilling down the shear line so the plug can be rotated. Takes about 30 seconds including the walk from the van, and that'll be 90 quid, thanks. She get a bargain at 75 quid then! What is the shear line? Right through the middle of the barrel? Mark. |
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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:53:49 UTC, wrote:
A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? They're one of the easiest types to pick. Details readily available. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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"Mogga" wrote in message ... On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:32:30 -0800 (PST), Martin Pentreath wrote: On 19 Nov, 12:53, wrote: A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? If it's the old-fashioned type of Yale that doesn't deadlock then you can just slide something (bit of stiff but flexible plastic) between the door and the frame to push the bolt back into the, errrrr thingie. I locked myself out once. And a friend said he knew how to open it. Sadly what he meant was he knew he could boot the door hard enough to get it open. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free There's also the "Mother-in-Law's" tongue principle! Depending on condition of the lock & how tight the door fits the frame...you can create a vibration which causes the Houdini effect! {Apparently that's how microwaves work too ;-) } Don. |
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wrote in message ... A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? Mark. Takes about 10 seconds, no damage to lock or door. Nice little earner :0) |
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wrote in message ... A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? In the case of a friend who got locked out, open it from inside, through the letterbox, with a tool he carried to do just that. Although the problem turned out to be that the painter doing the flat up for her had taken off the inside door handle and the square shaft that operated a sashlock on the door fell out when the door slammed shut in the wind. A couple of minutes with a screwdriver sorted the problem, after the locksmith had given up. Colin Bignell |
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The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is
pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? Bump-key ? |
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A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? Funnily enough I drilled one out this very day - for the first time ever. The plastic shim doesn't work on most doors due to the rebated frame. I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. He gave me a lock pick set & showed me how to pick a Yale type lock. It's much, much harder than it looks, takes loads of practice to get it 100%. I still can't do it well. As Huge says, drill down the shear line, which is just above the top of the key slot. Didn't work today as the drill slipped into the larger bit of the key slot. Instead I drillled where I guessed the fixing bolts were & got lucky on both. Once these are drilled out it falls apart with a little 'encouragemment'. Used a cobalt drill bit - knife through butter. If you can get the bezel (the ring around the lock, I think thats what its called) off then its easy to drill out the fixing bolts. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) |
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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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On 2007-11-19 22:12:42 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. I'm not really. It seems that this is a popular name for magicians' assistants. Far more popular are the Tracays answering corporate telephones. |
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Andy Hall wrote:
On 2007-11-19 22:12:42 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. I'm not really. It seems that this is a popular name for magicians' assistants. 'Box Jumpers' if you want the technical term :-) Mostly ex dancers or gymnasts. I don't really know many illusionists, although I've built props for one - his wife is called Tracey, not Sharon. Once built a prop for Joe Pasquale, but he works alone. Far more popular are the Tracays answering corporate telephones. Would that be for Versal National? -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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Handyman writes Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. Is she fit ? -- geoff |
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In message 47420bb4@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes
On 2007-11-19 22:12:42 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. I'm not really. It seems that this is a popular name for magicians' assistants. Well, not always ...especially for one type of stage show http://monologues.co.uk/Les_Barker/Cosmo_the_Knife.htm Far more popular are the Tracays answering corporate telephones. -- geoff |
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On 2007-11-19 22:31:57 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 22:12:42 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. I'm not really. It seems that this is a popular name for magicians' assistants. 'Box Jumpers' if you want the technical term :-) Mostly ex dancers or gymnasts. Hence the tutus. I don't really know many illusionists, although I've built props for one - his wife is called Tracey, not Sharon. There you go you see. Once built a prop for Joe Pasquale, but he works alone. Far more popular are the Tracays answering corporate telephones. Would that be for Versal National? Typically it's organisations who haven't yet outsourced to Mumbai or who have and have brought it back having given up on the idea. |
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On 2007-11-19 22:33:39 +0000, geoff said:
In message , The Medway Handyman writes Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. Is she fit ? Fit for what? |
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geoff wrote:
In message , The Medway Handyman writes Andy Hall wrote: On 2007-11-19 21:05:24 +0000, "The Medway Handyman" said: I have an escapologist mate who only picks locks as a last resort, prefers hidden keys, gimmicked locks etc. Is he called Sharon? ;-) No http://www.scottcreasey.co.uk/ Why are you obsessed with Sharons? I only know one, a Sister in A&E who is my daughters mate. Is she fit ? Very - and she has a genuine nurses uniform.......... -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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On Nov 19, 12:53 pm, wrote:
A friend locked herself out of her flat this weekend. I offered to come round and use my size 11 skeleton keys on it :-) but she called a locksmith instead. The lock was a single yale-type lock which locks when the door is pulled closed. My question is - how would a locksmith open this? I thought about drilling through the keyhole with a HSS bit - bit I guess (hope!) the cylinder should be able to resist this type of attack? Mark. Its a latch not a lock, mortices are somewhat harder , look and learn: http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...&search=Search Adam |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:24:37 UTC, Owain
wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: geoff wrote: Is she fit ? Very - and she has a genuine nurses uniform.......... Aye, and just think of some of the stuff that will have been splattered on that ... And not on the ward either... -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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On 2007-11-20 19:51:44 +0000, "Bob Eager" said:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:24:37 UTC, Owain wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: geoff wrote: Is she fit ? Very - and she has a genuine nurses uniform.......... Aye, and just think of some of the stuff that will have been splattered on that ... And not on the ward either... Oh I say... |
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In message 47433ecb@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes
On 2007-11-20 19:51:44 +0000, "Bob Eager" said: On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:24:37 UTC, Owain wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: geoff wrote: Is she fit ? Very - and she has a genuine nurses uniform.......... Aye, and just think of some of the stuff that will have been splattered on that ... And not on the ward either... Oh I say... What have I started ? .... photo -- geoff |
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geoff wrote:
In message 47433ecb@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes On 2007-11-20 19:51:44 +0000, "Bob Eager" said: On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:24:37 UTC, Owain wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: geoff wrote: Is she fit ? Very - and she has a genuine nurses uniform.......... Aye, and just think of some of the stuff that will have been splattered on that ... And not on the ward either... Oh I say... What have I started ? ... photo http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ful20smile.jpg -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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In message , The
Medway Handyman writes geoff wrote: In message 47433ecb@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes On 2007-11-20 19:51:44 +0000, "Bob Eager" said: On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:24:37 UTC, Owain wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: geoff wrote: Is she fit ? Very - and she has a genuine nurses uniform.......... Aye, and just think of some of the stuff that will have been splattered on that ... And not on the ward either... Oh I say... What have I started ? ... photo http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ful20smile.jpg Doh - not of drivels sister ! -- geoff |
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On 2007-11-20 21:13:40 +0000, "The Medway Handyman"
said: geoff wrote: In message 47433ecb@qaanaaq, Andy Hall writes On 2007-11-20 19:51:44 +0000, "Bob Eager" said: On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:24:37 UTC, Owain wrote: The Medway Handyman wrote: geoff wrote: Is she fit ? Very - and she has a genuine nurses uniform.......... Aye, and just think of some of the stuff that will have been splattered on that ... And not on the ward either... Oh I say... What have I started ? ... photo http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...ful20smile.jpg There's better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f08pwTn546w |
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On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:47:22 UTC, Frank Erskine
wrote: A pal of mine who used to repair council-house doors once showed me. Get the claw of a claw-hammer under the edge of the cylinder (the softish escutcheon makes this easy really), then tear out the cylinder. The fixing screw heads will pull through the back-plate. Then you can insert a screwdriver into the slot in the lock and easily open the door. Does anybody still use Yale-type locks? Insurance companies don't recognise them as secure nowadays. They do if you use the BS approved ones. These have additional fixing points, are more solid, have anti-pick pins, and have an automatic deadlock system. -- The information contained in this post is copyright the poster, and specifically may not be published in, or used by http://www.diybanter.com |
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Huge wrote:
On 2007-11-19, The Medway Handyman wrote: He gave me a lock pick set & showed me how to pick a Yale type lock. It's much, much harder than it looks, takes loads of practice to get it 100%. You're not wrong there. I have a set of picks and a book, but have never managed to get even simple Yale style locks open. I was buying a lock today at my local 'proper lock place, where they know what they are on about, & charge less than B&Q'. Asked the bloke how much they charge for picking a Yale type lock. £55 call out. No labour, too quick to measure apparently, matter of minutes. They have been around for 45 years + mind. -- Dave - The Medway Handyman www.medwayhandyman.co.uk 01634 717930 07850 597257 |
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