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When is rewiring necessary?
I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. It has a modern
consumer unit but having just removed a light switch I notice the wires leading to it are black and red. At what point does a rewire become necessary? -- Regards, Geoff Berrow |
When is rewiring necessary?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:52:40 +0100, Geoff Berrow
wrote: I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. It has a modern consumer unit but having just removed a light switch I notice the wires leading to it are black and red. At what point does a rewire become necessary? Just before it kills someone. If you're concerned you could get it tested to see if it's all working correctly. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free |
When is rewiring necessary?
"Mogga" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:52:40 +0100, Geoff Berrow wrote: I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. It has a modern consumer unit but having just removed a light switch I notice the wires leading to it are black and red. At what point does a rewire become necessary? Just before it kills someone. If you're concerned you could get it tested to see if it's all working correctly. -- http://www.orderonlinepickupinstore.co.uk Ah fetch it yourself if you can't wait for delivery http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk Or get it delivered for free Tends to be alterations that give rise to dangers. If it was wired in accordance with the standards of the day and is used in an appropriate manner then it could be safe for years. Some sockets may be getting tired though. Make sure you have no metal light fittings if it doesn't have earthed lighting circuits. |
When is rewiring necessary?
"Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. It has a modern consumer unit but having just removed a light switch I notice the wires leading to it are black and red. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) or b) before it's dangerous. Don't risk it, install modern wiring, regulation compliant. Maty |
When is rewiring necessary?
"Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:02:12 +0100 Mary Fisher wrote : When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) or b) before it's dangerous. Don't risk it, install modern wiring, regulation compliant. It might not be compliant with current regulations but that doesn't make it illegal. I wonder what HIPS would make of it? Seriously ... I'm not criticising the wiring. Mary |
When is rewiring necessary?
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Mary Fisher wrote: I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. It has a modern consumer unit but having just removed a light switch I notice the wires leading to it are black and red. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) or b) before it's dangerous. Please explain how you think wiring in a house built in '65 could be 'illegal'? Don't risk it, install modern wiring, regulation compliant. Perhaps some proper inspection and testing might be a cheaper alternative to blindly replacing things? The likely major thing that doesn't meet current regs is that lighting circuits may not have an earth. But this is by no means certain with mid '60s wiring. -- *Heart attacks... God's revenge for eating his animal friends Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
When is rewiring necessary?
Mary Fisher wrote:
"Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? or b) before it's dangerous. Yes. To the OP, the usual signs are insulation starting to perish or split. This can be seen if you take off a few sockets to see the state of the insulation. If it looks perished, or dry, then it is time to rewire. My parents house is 42yo, they had a sparky round who did various tests on the wiring, and told them there was no real need to get it rewired, as it was fine, though it would benefit from a new consumer unit and relevant RCD protection for different circuits. In the end, they left it as is. Alan. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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"A.Lee" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? Regulations change. Mary |
When is rewiring necessary?
Mary Fisher wrote:
"A.Lee" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? Regulations change. But it doesnt affect existing installations, otherwise 50%+ of houses in the Country wouldnt meet the regs. Alan. -- To reply by e-mail, change the ' + ' to 'plus'. |
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Mary Fisher wrote:
I wonder what HIPS would make of it? A pigs breakfast? -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
When is rewiring necessary?
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Mary Fisher wrote: "A.Lee" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? Regulations change. True, but not in general retrospectively. Nor does non compliance mean the law is broken. -- *Can fat people go skinny-dipping? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:31:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
mused: "Tony Bryer" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:02:12 +0100 Mary Fisher wrote : When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) or b) before it's dangerous. Don't risk it, install modern wiring, regulation compliant. It might not be compliant with current regulations but that doesn't make it illegal. I wonder what HIPS would make of it? It can make what it likes of it. A test is done, the report written. If it fails, it faisl, if it passes, it passes. HIPS makes no difference to the state of the wiring, or the cost of the rewiring of it, or the safety of it. -- Regards, Stuart. |
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Geoff Berrow wrote:
I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. It has a modern consumer unit but having just removed a light switch I notice the wires leading to it are black and red. Black and Red does not tell you much - most wiring in the country is black and red - "modern" colours have only been standard for 2-3 years, and even now there is plenty of old colour wire still being installed today (non compliantly!) At what point does a rewire become necessary? When one of two things happen: The existing wiring deteriorates to the point at which it becomes unsafe. This would apply to most rubber insulated cables still installed now for example. and/or The layout and quantity and position of the available accessories is a long way from meeting your current requirements. That would include living in a "trip hazard" that is festooned with extension leads because you lack sockets in all the place you need them. It is possible (although unlikely) that a 1965 place has already been rewired, but it is probably still original. You can get some dating clues by reading this: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....03d6bdddd41466 -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
When is rewiring necessary?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:02:12 +0100 Mary Fisher wrote :
When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) or b) before it's dangerous. Don't risk it, install modern wiring, regulation compliant. It might not be compliant with current regulations but that doesn't make it illegal. And, as already said, if the OP sticks to insulated switches and fittings the safety risk is negligible. But if he wants brass chandeliers and switches then it's rewire time. -- Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk |
When is rewiring necessary?
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writes Mary Fisher wrote: "Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? or b) before it's dangerous. Yes. To the OP, the usual signs are insulation starting to perish or split. This can be seen if you take off a few sockets to see the state of the insulation. If it looks perished, or dry, then it is time to rewire. My parents house is 42yo, they had a sparky round who did various tests on the wiring, and told them there was no real need to get it rewired, as it was fine, though it would benefit from a new consumer unit and relevant RCD protection for different circuits. In the end, they left it as is. Alan. I would do a sample check on fittings that the wires are still firmly terminated - I have found that the wires can work loose with time. Other than that I would do nothing unless you need to add a lot of sockets, etc. -- John Alexander, Remove NOSPAM if replying by e-mail |
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from Geoff Berrow contains these words: I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. It has a modern consumer unit but having just removed a light switch I notice the wires leading to it are black and red. You could have bought a house built in 2005 and still made the same discovery. At what point does a rewire become necessary? These days not very often. If you had rubber covered wiring you should be concerned but that should not have been in a 1965 new build. -- Roger Chapman |
When is rewiring necessary?
"A.Lee" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "A.Lee" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? Regulations change. But it doesnt affect existing installations, otherwise 50%+ of houses in the Country wouldnt meet the regs. Yes, and if those houses' wiring was examined by The Authorities it would be condemned. It happened to us, many years ago. Mary |
When is rewiring necessary?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:59 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
mused: "A.Lee" wrote in message . .. Mary Fisher wrote: "A.Lee" wrote in message ... Mary Fisher wrote: "Geoff Berrow" wrote in message ... I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? Regulations change. But it doesnt affect existing installations, otherwise 50%+ of houses in the Country wouldnt meet the regs. Yes, and if those houses' wiring was examined by The Authorities it would be condemned. Just because it isn't up to the current standards doesn't mean it needs condemning. It happened to us, many years ago. You may have been conned, or the wiring may have been actually condemable. -- Regards, Stuart. |
When is rewiring necessary?
On 31 Jul, 21:49, Lurch wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:59 +0100, "Mary Fisher" mused: "A.Lee" wrote in message . .. Mary Fisher wrote: "A.Lee" wrote in message . .. Mary Fisher wrote: "Geoff Berrow" wrote in message . .. I've just bought a house which was built in 1965. At what point does a rewire become necessary? When it's a) illegal (which yours might be) Why would an existing installation be illegal? Regulations change. But it doesnt affect existing installations, otherwise 50%+ of houses in the Country wouldnt meet the regs. Yes, and if those houses' wiring was examined by The Authorities it would be condemned. Just because it isn't up to the current standards doesn't mean it needs condemning. It happened to us, many years ago. You may have been conned, or the wiring may have been actually condemable. -- Regards, Stuart.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - There are all too many con artists out there who trade on the ignorance of simple folk! |
When is rewiring necessary?
"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:59 +0100, "Mary Fisher" It happened to us, many years ago. You may have been conned, or the wiring may have been actually condemable. We weren't conned, the regs said that you couldn't have two and three pin power points in the same room. Mary |
When is rewiring necessary?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:13:46 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
mused: "Lurch" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:59 +0100, "Mary Fisher" It happened to us, many years ago. You may have been conned, or the wiring may have been actually condemable. We weren't conned, the regs said that you couldn't have two and three pin power points in the same room. Well there you go then, condemnable. 'Not right' doesn't equate to 'condemned'. -- Regards, Stuart. |
When is rewiring necessary?
On 31 Jul, 22:13, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:59 +0100, "Mary Fisher" It happened to us, many years ago. You may have been conned, or the wiring may have been actually condemable. We weren't conned, the regs said that you couldn't have two and three pin power points in the same room. Mary What year was that in Mary? |
When is rewiring necessary?
"Lurch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:13:46 +0100, "Mary Fisher" mused: "Lurch" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:59 +0100, "Mary Fisher" It happened to us, many years ago. You may have been conned, or the wiring may have been actually condemable. We weren't conned, the regs said that you couldn't have two and three pin power points in the same room. Well there you go then, condemnable. 'Not right' doesn't equate to 'condemned'. We were told to have the wiring redone in accordance with the regs, it would be examined and condemned if not done according to regs. It was back in the 1960s but it seems to me that regulations have increased rather than decreased over the years, I've known a pensioner be left with no heating or hot water because of a fault with her boiler - this by a government scheme. But there's no point in continuing this because nobody's going to take any notice of my experiences - as if I cared :-) Mary -- Regards, Stuart. |
When is rewiring necessary?
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:52:14 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
mused: "Lurch" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:13:46 +0100, "Mary Fisher" mused: "Lurch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:59 +0100, "Mary Fisher" It happened to us, many years ago. You may have been conned, or the wiring may have been actually condemable. We weren't conned, the regs said that you couldn't have two and three pin power points in the same room. Well there you go then, condemnable. 'Not right' doesn't equate to 'condemned'. We were told to have the wiring redone in accordance with the regs, it would be examined and condemned if not done according to regs. It was back in the 1960s but it seems to me that regulations have increased rather than decreased over the years, Be that as it may, I can't condemn much these days, I can only advise on what wants doing. I have condemned stuff before and the customer has decided to completely ignore me and carry on as they are, it's the way it works. You obviously listened to the advice you received. I've known a pensioner be left with no heating or hot water because of a fault with her boiler - this by a government scheme. Gas is different to water, people take notice because it's gas and there is more weight behind the authorities and gas suppliers. But there's no point in continuing this because nobody's going to take any notice of my experiences - as if I cared :-) I'm not not taking notice, I'm telling you where your experiences aren't the norm. As usual, you are bandying advice about based on personal experience, intefering as I call it. ;) -- Regards, Stuart. |
When is rewiring necessary?
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Mary Fisher wrote: But it doesnt affect existing installations, otherwise 50%+ of houses in the Country wouldnt meet the regs. Yes, and if those houses' wiring was examined by The Authorities it would be condemned. It happened to us, many years ago. That house might have been wired pre-war and altered and added to wiring wise many times over the years. By the '60s, standards had somewhat settled down and weren't *that* much different from today. Of course the only way to tell if it does indeed need a total re-wire is by testing and examination. It simply can't be done by age alone. -- *Prepositions are not words to end sentences with * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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from Tony Bryer contains these words: Don't risk it, install modern wiring, regulation compliant. It might not be compliant with current regulations but that doesn't make it illegal. And, as already said, if the OP sticks to insulated switches and fittings the safety risk is negligible. But if he wants brass chandeliers and switches then it's rewire time. My late parents bungalow, built in 1968, had twin plus earth wiring for the lights. I also had a central point for the ground floor lighting with a mass of screw-it (?) junctions and the earth wires wrapped round the containment in an untidy mess but that, as they say,is another story, the ending of which has yet to be written. -- Roger Chapman |
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Fisher contained the following: Don't risk it, install modern wiring, regulation compliant. Having had the wiring checked this morning it turns out that it's rubber. So it's a rewire unfortunately. On the plus side the house is empty of furniture and we're in the process of decorating and fitting new carpets throughout so now is a good time to do it. I'll take the opportunity of putting some downlighters in at the same time. -- Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email) It's only Usenet, no one dies. My opinions, not the committee's, mine. Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/ |
When is rewiring necessary?
"Geoff Berrow" wrote Having had the wiring checked this morning it turns out that it's rubber. So it's a rewire unfortunately. On the plus side the house is empty of furniture and we're in the process of decorating and fitting new carpets throughout so now is a good time to do it. I'll take the opportunity of putting some downlighters in at the same time. -- Also time to look at circuit layout. How many, future requirement etc etc Make sure you get a split box with plenty of spares just in case. Phil |
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On 1 Aug, 13:19, Geoff Berrow wrote:
Having had the wiring checked this morning it turns out that it's rubber. So it's a rewire unfortunately. Yup. This could be useful then: http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?title=Rewiring_Tips I'll take the opportunity of putting some downlighters in at the same time. http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php?...logen_Lighting NT |
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On 31 Jul, 23:23, Owain wrote:
Mary Fisher wrote: We weren't conned, the regs said that you couldn't have two and three pin power points in the same room. I've never heard of such a Reg, indeed it would be absolutely normal to have 2- or 3-pin 5A sockets for small appliances and lighting and 3-pin 15A sockets for heating, up to c. 1948. Any wiring old enough to have 2-pin sockets might be unsafe for other reasons. Owain A mix of 2 and 3 pin sockets was common in the 60s. A minority of places still had that in the 80s. NT |
When is rewiring necessary?
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wrote: A mix of 2 and 3 pin sockets was common in the 60s. A minority of places still had that in the 80s. On new build? -- *Laugh alone and the world thinks you're an idiot. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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