Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:
Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Something different.

On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Something different.

Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

On 26 Jul, 11:52, paulfoel wrote:
Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

Cellulose thinners is basically acetone. Although most cars are
refinished in two part paint nowadays, motor paint suppliers will
almost certainly stock it.

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On 26 Jul, 11:52, paulfoel wrote:
Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

Cellulose thinners is basically acetone.

Toluene.

Automotive refinish suppliers are your friend. But I use fast synthetic
thinners rather than cellulose thinners, it is much less likely to react
with an old finish that you may be spraying over.

Julian.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:52:19 -0700, paulfoel wrote:

On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Something different.

Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

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Almost any car spares shop will stock cellulose thinners.Take care because
it's far more volatile and flammable than White spirit / Turps.

Cic.

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"paulfoel" wrote in message
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On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Something different.

Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

Car accessory shops
motor factors
car body paint suppliers
Google for cellulose thinners produces many on line suppliers

Note that there are different grades and types for different purposes and
prices to suit

Tony

"paulfoel" wrote in message
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On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Something different.

Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

Cellulose has been replaced for automotive purposes by two-pack acrylic.

Cellulose may still be available from specialist suppliers, but it's been
heavily leaned on for H&S and environmental reasons.

Steve

paulfoel wrote:
On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???
Something different.

Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

You won;t. Can't be shipped/posted. Too inflammable.

Go to a model shop, or to a builders merchants, or to an automotive car
paint factors, or to a chemists. Or to a glass fiber supply place - for
acetone anyway.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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paulfoel wrote:
On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???
Something different.

Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

You won;t. Can't be shipped/posted. Too inflammable.

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I disagree

http://www.decoratingdirect.co.uk/viewprod/b/BIRCELT/

http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...howBasket=true

Tony

On Jul 26, 12:29 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
paulfoel wrote:
On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???
Something different.

Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....

You won;t. Can't be shipped/posted. Too inflammable.


How do think retailers get it shipped to them?

Couriers will take all sorts these days if suitably packed, labelled
and paid for. It amused me that

MBQ

wrote:
On Jul 26, 12:29 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
paulfoel wrote:
On 26 Jul, 11:42, adder1969 wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:34 am, paulfoel wrote:
Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???
Something different.
Any idea where to buy from? Cant find them on B&Q / focus websites....
You won;t. Can't be shipped/posted. Too inflammable.


How do think retailers get it shipped to them?


On special trucks mainly. NOT through the post. NOT on a standard
courier. IIRC you need special insurance cover and have to jump through
some hoops to do it.


Couriers will take all sorts these days if suitably packed, labelled
and paid for. It amused me that


No they won't.

MBQ

paulfoel wrote:
Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Something different.

Acetone, methyl methacrylate. Methhyl Ethyl ketone.. Xylene..IIRC these
are what's in most cellulose solvents.

In article om,
paulfoel wrote:
Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Different.

You can buy small tins in Halfords, etc, but if you find a car paint
supplier you'll get 5 litres for not much more. If you're just using it
for cleaning things get the cheap type for spray gun cleaning. If for
diluting high quality paint ask for fast thinners - it costs more, though.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article om,
paulfoel wrote:
Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???

Different.

You can buy small tins in Halfords, etc, but if you find a car paint
supplier you'll get 5 litres for not much more. If you're just using it
for cleaning things get the cheap type for spray gun cleaning. If for
diluting high quality paint ask for fast thinners - it costs more, though.


I think Hammerite brush cleaner is pretty much the same thing if you're
restricted to the sheds and don't need a lot

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article om,
paulfoel wrote:


If for
diluting high quality paint ask for fast thinners - it costs more, though.

Anti-bloom or premium thinners for that. Fast is suited to mixing with
primer or washing guns out.

Julian.

In message om
paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???


Cellulose thinner is/was derived from the cotton plant, described as a
very volatile aggressive solvent and when used as a medium for paint
(cellulose paint) it is resoluble, meaning is can be dissolved or
redissolved in its own solvent, this is how the cellulose paint
finishing system works by softening the underneath layers of (cellulose)
paint which forms a unique solid bonded mass paint thickness and not as
individual layers.

Turpentine is a mild resinous extract taken from pine trees described as
an oil or spirit, it it not resoluble it its own solvent which is why
you don't get solvent reactions with turpentine based paints etc, this
paint medium lays on top of each layer separately each as an individual
layer and does not form a solid bonded mass paint thickness.

You can wipe turpentine solvents over cellulose paint without affecting
the finish at all but you cannot wipe cellulose thinner over turps based
finishes or indeed cellulose because it will react, soften or lift the
paint finish like paint remover.

Turpentine, turpentine substitute, and white spirit are all compatible
with each other as they are not aggressive solvents unlike cellulose.

Stephen.



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Stephen Hull wrote:
In message om
paulfoel wrote:

Does this mean White Spirit or Turps (substitute) or something
different???


Cellulose thinner is/was derived from the cotton plant, described as a
very volatile aggressive solvent and when used as a medium for paint
(cellulose paint) it is resoluble, meaning is can be dissolved or
redissolved in its own solvent, this is how the cellulose paint
finishing system works by softening the underneath layers of (cellulose)
paint which forms a unique solid bonded mass paint thickness and not as
individual layers.

Turpentine is a mild resinous extract taken from pine trees described as
an oil or spirit, it it not resoluble it its own solvent which is why
you don't get solvent reactions with turpentine based paints etc, this
paint medium lays on top of each layer separately each as an individual
layer and does not form a solid bonded mass paint thickness.

You can wipe turpentine solvents over cellulose paint without affecting
the finish at all but you cannot wipe cellulose thinner over turps based
finishes or indeed cellulose because it will react, soften or lift the
paint finish like paint remover.

Turpentine, turpentine substitute, and white spirit are all compatible
with each other as they are not aggressive solvents unlike cellulose.

Stephen.



cellulose is not a solvent.

Nor IIRC is it derived from cotton any more. IIRC its pretty much
cellulose acetate that is what is referred to as 'cellulose' or 'celluloid'


Cellulose SOLVENTS (things that dissolve cellulose, not are made from
it) are aggressive organic solvents mostly derived from the
petrochemical indsustry, unlike alcohols (mainly derived from starches
by fermentation) or turpentine,. which is an oily complex substance
derived from wood, or white spirit, which is either is syntehtic, or
refined version of turpentine. Wiki says its a paraffin derived
synthetic..well from oil rather than wood anyway.

What is in a typical 'cellulose' solvent is pretty variable. Has to be
since the cellulose itself may be acetate, nitrate or butyrate, and
there are various properties of the solvent like speed of evaporation
and water absorption etc. etc. that affect how its used.

A bit of idle googling reveals that ethyl acetate (pear drops) is one as
is methyl acetate, certainly acetone ethylene glycol diacetate is used..

You could try nail varnish remover.
Cheers John.

John wrote:
You could try nail varnish remover.
Cheers John.


Acetone