[OT] Prius bashing
 

Doctor Drivel wrote:

"Adrian" wrote in message
. 245.131...
Doctor Drivel ) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they
were saying :

Acceleration even remotely approaching "sloth-like" also causes it to
kick out of ZEV mode.

The Prius accelerates very well indeed.

No, it doesn't.

Again..."The Prius accelerates very well indeed."

Again,

Please stop telling lies.

Don't you believe Toyota then? It is there in their glossy brochure,
0-60 in over ten seconds. Not too shabby, but by no means "very well",
just "nothing special", or "unexciting" would be closer to the truth.



--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

[OT] Prius bashing
 

In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

So was the Vauxhall Viva. A very decent little McPherson strut live rear
axle thing. Or its bigger brother..the one before the cavalier..

Chevette?

--
(\__/) Bunny says NO to Windows Vista!
(='.'=) http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...ista_cost.html
(")_(")

[OT] Prius bashing
 

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

So was the Vauxhall Viva. A very decent little McPherson strut live rear
axle thing. Or its bigger brother..the one before the cavalier..

Chevette?

Na, the shoveit was an Astra sized car. Cresta perhaps.

--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

[OT] Prius bashing
 

Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

So was the Vauxhall Viva. A very decent little McPherson strut live rear
axle thing. Or its bigger brother..the one before the cavalier..

Chevette?


Yup. That's the boyki!

[OT] Prius bashing
 

John Rumm wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

So was the Vauxhall Viva. A very decent little McPherson strut live
rear axle thing. Or its bigger brother..the one before the cavalier..

Chevette?

Na, the shoveit was an Astra sized car. Cresta perhaps.

No.. the one that was almost an Opel Manta, but with 4 doors..
Cresta was earlier. I thought it *was* the chevette..

Not the omega, but close...

The last sort of 1.6-2 liter RWD that vauxhall did ...

Lets think. The cresta was yonks old, as was the Victor then there was
the viva and the Chevette and then the Astra in the smaller sizes. The
Chevette was the Opel Kadett IMMSMW..

Ah, Look in Wiki.

The first cavaliers WERE RWD Opel Asconas.
That the one. MkI Cavalier.


Then they went FWD with an alarmingly well selling car The MKII Cavalier.

[OT] Prius bashing
 

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

John Rumm wrote:
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

So was the Vauxhall Viva. A very decent little McPherson strut live rear axle thing. Or its bigger brother..the one before the cavalier..

Chevette?

Na, the shoveit was an Astra sized car. Cresta perhaps.

No.. the one that was almost an Opel Manta, but with 4 doors..
Cresta was earlier. I thought it *was* the chevette..

Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.


--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

[OT] Prius bashing
 

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

So was the Vauxhall Viva. A very decent little McPherson strut live rear
axle thing. Or its bigger brother..the one before the cavalier..

Chevette?

Na, the shoveit was an Astra sized car. Cresta perhaps.

It was the 'VX' model, they did a 4/90 and a VX1800 IIRC. Looked just like a
large Viva and rusted away before your eyes just like the Viva!

[OT] Prius bashing
 

"Julian" wrote in message
...

"John Rumm" wrote in message
...
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
In article , The Natural
Philosopher writes

So was the Vauxhall Viva. A very decent little McPherson strut live
rear axle thing. Or its bigger brother..the one before the cavalier..

Chevette?

Na, the shoveit was an Astra sized car. Cresta perhaps.

It was the 'VX' model, they did a 4/90 and a VX1800 IIRC. Looked just like
a large Viva and rusted away before your eyes just like the Viva!


Here's a link:

http://www.brasiliapress.com/images/ld-32a-vauxhall.jpg

[OT] Prius bashing
 

John Rumm wrote:

Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.

Cresta, the last of the really ugly ones, (though thereafter was not a
great improvement). As a child c1960 I remember a really ugly one across
the road - Velox? - somehow the association of Vauxhall and ugly rust
heap persists in my mind to this day.


--
djc

[OT] Prius bashing
 

djc wrote:
John Rumm wrote:

Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.

Cresta, the last of the really ugly ones, (though thereafter was not a
great improvement). As a child c1960 I remember a really ugly one across
the road - Velox? - somehow the association of Vauxhall and ugly rust
heap persists in my mind to this day.


Vauxhall Victor.

Or its its slightly more useful form. the BEDFORD CA MK2.


Column shift, and sliding doors...

[OT] Prius bashing
 

The message
from djc contains these words:

Cresta, the last of the really ugly ones, (though thereafter was not a
great improvement). As a child c1960 I remember a really ugly one across
the road - Velox? - somehow the association of Vauxhall and ugly rust
heap persists in my mind to this day.

In the 50s and early 60s the Cresta was the deluxe edition of the Velox
and would have looked much the same externally. I don't know exactly
when then Velox name was dropped but it was probably somewhere around
1965.

--
Roger Chapman

[OT] Prius bashing
 

Julian wrote:

It was the 'VX' model, they did a 4/90 and a VX1800 IIRC. Looked just like a
large Viva and rusted away before your eyes just like the Viva!

I would have said the Victor. with the VX4/90 being the bigger brother
again!

:¬)

Pete
--
http://www.gymrATZ.CO.UK
Gym equipment, Fitness Equipment and Loads of stuff!

[OT] Prius bashing
 

The message
from "Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
contains these words:

It was the 'VX' model, they did a 4/90 and a VX1800 IIRC. Looked
just like a
large Viva and rusted away before your eyes just like the Viva!

I would have said the Victor. with the VX4/90 being the bigger brother
again!

I don't know about the later models but the first VX4/90 was in a Victor
body shell and was I think badged as a Victor.

--
Roger Chapman

[OT] Prius bashing
 

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.

The Cresta was the large Vauxhall model of the day. The Victor would have
been closer to the Cavalier.

--
*Proofread carefully to see if you any words out or mispeld something *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[OT] Prius bashing
 

In article ,
Pete @ www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:
Julian wrote:

It was the 'VX' model, they did a 4/90 and a VX1800 IIRC. Looked just
like a large Viva and rusted away before your eyes just like the
Viva!

I would have said the Victor. with the VX4/90 being the bigger brother
again!

The VX4/90 was simply a slightly more powerful Victor. But basically the
same car.

--
*A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[OT] Prius bashing
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.

The Cresta was the large Vauxhall model of the day. The Victor would have
been closer to the Cavalier.

I thought the Viscount was the Carlton class one?

--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

[OT] Prius bashing
 

The message
from John Rumm contains these words:

The Cresta was the large Vauxhall model of the day. The Victor would have
been closer to the Cavalier.

I thought the Viscount was the Carlton class one?

The Cresta went through several model changes over the years. I can
remember the early ones because my second car was a 1955 Cresta.

The Cresta started life in 1954 as the de luxe version of the Velox E
which had been introduced in 1952 along with its smaller engined cousin
the Wyvern. Over the next few years the Velox/Cresta went through
several reincarnations ending with the PC model (introduced 1965) where
the Velox name finally disappeared and the deluxe version was the
'Cresta De Luxe'. In 1966 the Viscount was introduced. I can't actually
recall the model but AFAICT the Viscount was the de luxe version of the
Cresta de Luxe.

The smaller engined Wyvern never made it past series E and was replaced
by the Victor in 1957. The Victor name lived on till the late 70s by
which time the position of small Vauxhall had been usurped firstly by
the Viva (1963 - 79) and then in 1975 by the Chevette. By then even the
small cars were getting options with larger engines.

--
Roger Chapman

[OT] Prius bashing
 

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
The message
from John Rumm contains these words:

The Cresta was the large Vauxhall model of the day. The Victor would
have
been closer to the Cavalier.

I thought the Viscount was the Carlton class one?

The Cresta went through several model changes over the years. I can
remember the early ones because my second car was a 1955 Cresta.

The Cresta started life in 1954 as the de luxe version of the Velox E
which had been introduced in 1952 along with its smaller engined cousin
the Wyvern. Over the next few years the Velox/Cresta went through
several reincarnations ending with the PC model (introduced 1965) where
the Velox name finally disappeared and the deluxe version was the
'Cresta De Luxe'. In 1966 the Viscount was introduced. I can't actually
recall the model but AFAICT the Viscount was the de luxe version of the
Cresta de Luxe.

The smaller engined Wyvern never made it past series E and was replaced
by the Victor in 1957. The Victor name lived on till the late 70s by
which time the position of small Vauxhall had been usurped firstly by
the Viva (1963 - 79) and then in 1975 by the Chevette. By then even the
small cars were getting options with larger engines.

Where did the Ventura (sp?) fit in with all this? ISTR it had a big 6
cylinder engine that was a sleeved or stroked down version of the old TK
lorry engine. (of which I had one once)

Julian.

[OT] Prius bashing
 

In article ,
Julian wrote:
Where did the Ventura (sp?) fit in with all this? ISTR it had a big 6
cylinder engine that was a sleeved or stroked down version of the old TK
lorry engine. (of which I had one once)

The Ventora was basically the Victor bodyshell with a longer engine
compartment/front end to accommodate the six rather than four cylinder
engine.

--
*I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[OT] Prius bashing
 

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.

The Cresta was the large Vauxhall model of the day. The Victor would
have been closer to the Cavalier.

I thought the Viscount was the Carlton class one?

The Viscount was simply a variation of the Cresta - different trim and
more powerful engine. IIRC, it was the final version using this bodyshell,
and the last large UK only Vauxhall. Later ones were basically Opels.

--
*Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

[OT] Prius bashing
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.

The Cresta was the large Vauxhall model of the day. The Victor would
have been closer to the Cavalier.

I thought the Viscount was the Carlton class one?

The Viscount was simply a variation of the Cresta - different trim and
more powerful engine. IIRC, it was the final version using this bodyshell,
and the last large UK only Vauxhall. Later ones were basically Opels.

Does anyone remember the Viceroy - a half way house between the Carlton and
Monza/Royale thing IIRC. Vauxhall sold about 10!

Julian.

[OT] Prius bashing
 

"Julian" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
Yup, you are right, I just realised that by "the one before the
cavalier" he meant in terms of model range, rather than production
dates. Cresta was cav sized but predated it by a few years.

The Cresta was the large Vauxhall model of the day. The Victor would
have been closer to the Cavalier.

I thought the Viscount was the Carlton class one?

The Viscount was simply a variation of the Cresta - different trim and
more powerful engine. IIRC, it was the final version using this
bodyshell,
and the last large UK only Vauxhall. Later ones were basically Opels.

Does anyone remember the Viceroy - a half way house between the Carlton
and Monza/Royale thing IIRC. Vauxhall sold about 10!


Do remember a trip to Cornwall in a mate's VX 4/90 . Well we thought it was
fast. Later he tried keeping up with an old Porsche on the M1 and failed
(catastrophically). Happy days.


--
Bob Mannix
(anti-spam is as easy as 1-2-3 - not)